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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2009, 06:25:00 PM »
onthecuttingedge2005 said:The standard paradox I was thinking of was:  Killing your grandfather before he naturally died;  1) Either you wouldn't exist on the spot, or, 2) by the 'string universe(correct assumption?) theory', if you went back to where you were, everything would have been changed beyond recognition.

Hi Big M.

Nature always tends to throw a bone for the wolves to chew on, it keeps them happy. Nature always has a trick up its sleeve to prevent a paradox from an original time line from occurring in the same time line.

so nature shifts that time line to the next parallel time line and then that time line(for the time traveler) becomes a designer universe with a new time line to suit the paradox changes that must occur for the time traveler.

if you have a Super Quantum Computer that can calculate all possible Paradoxes out of the equation only then can you avoid paradoxes and stay in the original time line, so long as there is never a paradox that harms 'your' causality you would be okay.

since it is a form of relative quantum tunneling you would have no control over nature itself shifting you to another time line unless you obey the rules of nature.

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You said above he was already dead---but I'll comment further below.
Interesting concept.  But, how exactly is this done?
See comment immediately above.

if you mean how is time travel done I might have to assume it is done with Quantum Tunneling of Relativity in accordance to the laws of Physics and Quantum reality.(not classical mechanics).

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Time to leave this computer.

Later Gator.

Jerry ;)
« Last Edit: July 18, 2009, 08:31:44 PM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2009, 08:07:42 PM »
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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...so nature shifts that time line to the next parallel time line and then that time line(for the time traveler) becomes a designer universe with a new time line to suit the paradox changes that must occur for the time traveler. ...

Hey Jerry,

Two different sources of information imply the same thin:  SciFi author Robert Heinlein(deceased), in several of his novels, and the String theory of Relativity in general, so to speak.
(I can't expound upon the theory without knowing the calculus that supports it(there is some---I've seen the notes on a TV documentary.)

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...if you have a Super Quantum Computer than can calculate all possible Paradoxes out of the equation only then can you avoid paradoxes and stay in the original time line, so long as there is never a paradox that harms 'your' causality you would be okay. ...
Therein is a problem.  I've  'heard'  ''rumors'' that such a monster supercomputer exists somewhere, but that was given out by the likes of conspiracy theorists.
Do you know that such a computer exists and the information about its capabilities?

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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2009, 09:00:10 PM »
onthecuttingedge2005 said:

Therein is a problem.  I've  'heard'  ''rumors'' that such a monster supercomputer exists somewhere

Hi Big M

computer tech of today will always be replaced by those of tomorrow.
but since I tend to look far into technology as possible on these things I can say that one day computer technology will have a limit to the size of the Universe, if the Universe has a limit then computers will have a limit but if the Universe is infinite then computers will be infinite.

the reason being is that in those times computers if that is what you wish to call them will work on Quantum Singularity principles that interconnect through the entire Universe.

in those times would it be called a computer, I think that at some point the quantum singularity computer system would become aware of itself 'naturally' and surpass all living things besides itself.

a system that knows 'all' things even if the Universe is infinite and or finite.

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but that was given out by the likes of conspiracy theorists.

the confusion can be maddening, I try to stay away from such things.

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Do you know that such a computer exists and the information about its capabilities?

all I can say is that it will exist in future reference in accordance to our relativity and technological advances but it already exists throughout time and space as an entity via Quantum Singularity principles.

it's there, here, everywhere, those who do not look for such things will never be the wiser and will never see its presence.

kind of like God or God like or just Godly or maybe it is thee God, but in any account it is far superior than we will ever be.

any races in the universe that develop it just adds to its inter-connectivity of the Universe as a Singularity and a whole.

intelligence always tends to spawn intelligence, so long as there is life in the universe to develop the ultimate entity it will surely come to exist and since life spawned before us in other parts of the Universe it has already come into existence, we are just expanding it as we evolve with technological advancements.

we are like little cells in the Universe that are evolving a super entity unaware of what that entity is, we just do our jobs as cells and we are happy. just like the cells in your body but you just have to stand back and look at the whole entity.

I would not say that God is a machine because that does not fit the bill but rather God is the light of all Quantum Singleness throughout all time and space, the ultimate intelligence. so long as there is breath in the universe there will be a God. all species in the universe will come to balance out with it. some early and some late.

Jerry :)
« Last Edit: July 18, 2009, 09:38:24 PM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2009, 09:51:27 PM »
@onthecuttingedge2005,

Referring to your last post(Reply #17, this thread) in its entirety, You did present some concepts that I hadn't thought of before, but to describe them might be problematic.

I might try to take physics in college when I have the time or money, if ever.

For the Perfect Spacecraft, have you looked at the patents available at the Patent Office?

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2009, 11:05:12 PM »
@onthecuttingedge2005,

Referring to your last post(Reply #17, this thread) in its entirety, You did present some concepts that I hadn't thought of before, but to describe them might be problematic.

I might try to take physics in college when I have the time or money, if ever.

For the Perfect Spacecraft, have you looked at the patents available at the Patent Office?

--Lee

Hi Big M.

I think I am going to hold off on the spacecraft for now, to much to learn for the moment.

Jerry :)

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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2009, 03:37:26 AM »
here is a question.

If a time traveler goes back in time he/she resets past events, meaning that when they go back all the atrocities that ever happened are reset, those people of wars and crime victims are forced through relativity to relive all the horrors of their tragic moment.

think about it. if a time traveler goes back thousands of times that means all those tragedies will also occur all over again thousands of times. and you wouldn't know that was occuring, you would just think you were living your relative life and the current date and time is blah blah blah.

is this moral?

Jerry

A time traveller will see all atrocities that were committed...but he/she will not reset them by going back in time. Only by intervention can someone change the past and therefore the future. Obviously. They have to be cleanly and directly involved in changing the route of humanity.
It would be a violation of all that we have learned up this point, if those atrocities were removed. Humankind would be feverish right now to commit all of them, if they were erased in the past.

Through experience, human kind has undone the 'habits' of the past.

BUT, a moment in time where great destruction was the result of human ignorance, would therefore give way for someone to repair the timeline. Perhaps a war or something else, which would occur and kill millions, if not billions of innocent lives and also a major threat to all life on earth afterwards etc etc.
This Time Traveller...WOULD have the authority to go back and change things, or to have prior knowledge of the event in order to stop it.

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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2009, 03:57:52 AM »
But the time traveler is only here to serve examples. a time when all things are known in the future. you can't find a better answer than that.

anyone with all that knowledge will want to come back and share it.

but the world is to dangerous at the moment and it will take some time before things calm down. he/she/it will come when he/she/it/they feel like it.

but they will come. I have faith.
Jerry :)

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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2009, 04:45:51 PM »
But the time traveler is only here to serve examples. a time when all things are known in the future. you can't find a better answer than that.

anyone with all that knowledge will want to come back and share it.

but the world is to dangerous at the moment and it will take some time before things calm down. he/she/it will come when he/she/it/they feel like it.

but they will come. I have faith.
Jerry :)

not necessarily to reveal all things or to give high knowledge back to us.....at least all of us and 'right away'....

All things have a price in this universe. This must be the Law, for you can not give a child the keys to the Royals Royce.

Sacrifice will lead to greater wisdom and we can not expect to be given high knowledge without paying for it some form or manner.

Paying for it through how we accord ourselves to the Law as proclaimed from Moses, for instance. Or how we have contributed to human kinds development and we have addressed the ancients of Atlantis and likewise.

Going to church and reading the bible....not enough, at least from Point Of View. People have to want to see higher truths very badly and try and find them to benefit the ALL. Those people will be given privvy to the  higher realms over everyone else.

People who seek the truth about the laws of creation...will be given eternal life...no doubt. And not the laws that mankind has done so far, but the laws with which the pyramid builders had known. Which were far more advanced than the current world's understandings.....

And to answer a question regarding energy....this universe is a sea of energy. For past time travel, we can step out of the time machine and walk around as we do now, because the energy of the universe was probably no different a 1000 years ago than what it is today. Zero Point Energy would allow for us to walk about in the past outside of the time machine...because all the energy was there, as it is here and now. Nothing created. The energy is always available.




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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2009, 04:54:07 PM »
EELRIJUE said:

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Perhaps a war or something else, which would occur and kill millions, if not billions of innocent lives and also a major threat to all life on earth afterwards etc etc.
This Time Traveller...WOULD have the authority to go back and change things, or to have prior knowledge of the event in order to stop it.

Well, okay.  I see you point.  Jean Dixon said the same thing about her predictions:

"If you see someone about to walk into a manhole, would you try to warn them if you had the chance?"
--paraphrased from a TV interview about 35+ years ago

The same sort of scenario for you assertion about the past, right?  Why let them die if you can try and stop it?

Robert Heinlein, in at least one of his novels("Revolt in 2100", I believe), implied the same thing.  Going back to, essentially, give a despicable man's father a contraceptive so this man wouldn't be born, did no good.  The same result occurred:  WWIII.
(The despicable man's character is a very good fit for Osama bin Laden.  Really.  I read the book.)

My question is:
Who plays God, beside God?  Who else has the right---and who will also take karmic responsibility for the decision?

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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2009, 05:28:41 PM »
EELRIJUE said:

Well, okay.  I see you point.  Jean Dixon said the same thing about her predictions:

"If you see someone about to walk into a manhole, would you try to warn them if you had the chance?"
--paraphrased from a TV interview about 35+ years ago

The same sort of scenario for you assertion about the past, right?  Why let them die if you can try and stop it?

Robert Heinlein, in at least one of his novels("Revolt in 2100", I believe), implied the same thing.  Going back to, essentially, give a despicable man's father a contraceptive so this man wouldn't be born, did no good.  The same result occurred:  WWIII.
(The despicable man's character is a very good fit for Osama bin Laden.  Really.  I read the book.)

My question is:
Who plays God, beside God?  Who else has the right---and who will also take karmic responsibility for the decision?

--Lee

Someone with much much HIGHER authority than any of us...and obviously someone who is God-Like and has crossed the universe in advanced craft. And not necessarily untrue...but actually quite real.

That person would have authority over any of us. Ants in comparison to this person.
This person would have knowledge which surpasses all knowledge. They would have experience beyond in order to make such decisions.

Thankfully this person is not here...now on this earth with us, otherwise we would all be in big trouble....because of what is happening on our world right now...wars...greed....killing etc.

This person would have little toleration for any of us and our ways.

Enter the Angel......

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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2009, 05:49:58 PM »
EELRIJUE said:
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Someone with much much HIGHER authority than any of us...and obviously someone who is God-Like and has crossed the universe in advanced craft. And not necessarily untrue...but actually quite real. That person would have authority over any of us. ... Enter the Angel......
There was a book along the lines of Theospohy teachings(I read years ago, and not exactly that orginization, but rather similar), which indicated about the same thing.
WAIT!
I have it!  The Popul Wu of the Maya Indians has a passage where there was nothing but calm before The Beginning.  Then, a greatly powerful Being and another almost as powerful arrived from elsewhere to begin Creating everything we see.

Is this something like what you say?

BTW, I'm Native American and I understand the Popul Wu quite well, but it has to be using typical American sentence structure for me to read it.  That isn't the case with all translations.


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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2009, 08:13:09 PM »
then there is the probability that Super Beings are also Quantum Computer Super Droids, technology in those times assuredly made them.

they would technically never die.
they have all the abilities of a human and more, much more. they are willing servants to the spacecraft time machine just like the android on star trek called Data but these Quantum Super droids are far more superior and you could not tell the difference between a Quantum Super Droid from a Human, the technology in those times have made them pretty much sentient life forms of a different nature.

anyone of those Quantum Super Droids would make any scientist today look like a total retard!

which is also an explanation as to why they don't have a gender.

they also have all the emotions and physical feeling that Humans do and have extra sensory perceptions that most of us don't.

courtesy of your local or National Government ;)

just passing some thoughts.
Jerry


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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2009, 09:59:05 PM »
then there is the probability that Super Beings are also Quantum Computer Super Droids, technology in those times assuredly made them.
Sorry, never heard of these beings.  Have a look at Reply #26, this thread.
Who made the beings that made the 'Droids?
In #26, I say then, the Mayans say: Creator Beings came from somewhere else.  Where that was is open to question.

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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2009, 10:47:52 PM »
Sorry, never heard of these beings.  Have a look at Reply #26, this thread.
Who made the beings that made the 'Droids?
In #26, I say then, the Mayans say: Creator Beings came from somewhere else.  Where that was is open to question.

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Hi Lee.

I think this is open for debate.

Somewhere else can mean quite a few things.

I think they are descendants of our Earthly children's hands that live in space at that future time, war in Heaven would indicate that they probably lived in large cities in space sometime in the future without further need of living on a planet, planets have become zoo's for plants and animals instead of home for Humans or even super beings.

remember when President Obama was asked if Aliens exist and Obama said, I don't know, I only know there is life here on this world.

the odds:
I would have to say, the odds of our descendants in the future visiting are ultra high compared to aliens from other worlds visiting first. this would be a future government ruling over those in those times because only a government could afford a 'trillion' dollar time travel spacecraft of that magnatude.


all kinds of possibilities
Jerry ;)
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Re: Time Traveler Sightings
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2009, 11:18:24 PM »
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I think this is open for debate.  Somewhere else can mean quite a few things.
Logically, I would agree.  No argument there.

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I think they are descendants of our Earthly children's hands that live in space at that future time, ...
There was a magazine about the Shaver incident/mystery that implied the same thing.  Space cities with giants living in them.

But they would have to travel back in time to see us, yes?  If so, their motivations are a mystery as well.
Why would we be so interesting?  If the interfer with us, they risking changing their reality as well.

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