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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 170199 times)

Offline IotaYodi

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2009, 04:08:34 AM »
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Maybe if you were to stick a few probes
in the earth you would get the feeling of what it is
Already have. I live on a ranch.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2009, 04:38:14 AM »
So Bill,
You made a 3 degree shift and it made a big difference?
Mine is like 18 degrees.
So, if I am 48 degrees north, do I dig the carbon down so it is 48 degrees from the magnesium into the ground? Or do I dig the magnesium at the south end?

This must have to do with the galactic center or the plane of the solar system, or something really basic like that.

Your explanation is good. I just don't see why it would work the way it is described with the tilt the way it is. If it is lined up with magnetic north then at least it is in accord with the magnetic element, but the spin north...

So everyone take note... Do not ask me. I am not the person to ask about this!  ;D

Thanks for the explanation, Bill

jeanna

Jeanna:

From what I have read and done, the north (carbon) should be the deepest and the dip angle for your area (I think mine is like 55 degrees here) should be between the bottom of your carbon to the bottom of the south electrode.  This, of course, changes with the distance between the electrodes.  So, if you move them further apart, then the carbon, or north electrode has to go deeper.

Well, actually I think my deviation is a little more than 3 degrees but I looked it up when I moved my set-up further apart and got the new magnesium large block.  Turns out, I adjusted more than the 5 degrees as my original set-up was off the north/south meridian by another 10 degrees or so due to an initial error on my part.  So, it was a pretty good adjustment and yes it has helped.

when I can, I will post some more scope shots.  Yours looked really good again.  Funny how they change.  I remember Jim trying to describe this to us all a long while back but we didn't get it, or at least I didn't.  Very hard to describe.

Does your scope show little spikes flashing across the screen as vertical lines as seen in my video?  I checked my scope and when I set it up, there was no interference and after my scope shots were taken, I stuck a JT circuit on it and those spikes were gone.  So, it did not seem to be electrical noise from my fridge or something on the same circuit.

Bill


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2009, 05:06:31 AM »
@Jeanna

if you dont know the dip angle in your area you can make a make-shift  "compass" with a needle and string.

first place the needle so it rotates horizontally to find the 'magnetic north' from where you are.

then turn it so it rotates vertically to find the 'dip angle'

it should be fairly consistent with depth up to about 40ft deep or so. ( most people dont go down quite that far.....)

occasionally i have come across areas with a magnetic anomoly, where the dip angle varies greatly within a short distance, this is usually near 'hot spots' where the magma is closer to the surface.
such as throughought california or in the desert.

but for the most part, if you use the 'compass' in the spot where you are making your battery you should be good to go.


@ Jim

when i first was taught about the EB in college, we used 2 pieces of copper.  it was not until 10 yrs later when someone showed me that 2 different metals can increase the voltage. i believe this is due to an ectrochemical reaction between the metals when there is a voltage potential already present.  This seems to be in line with the electrochemical series of metals, though i have not tested every existing metal and possible soil compositions.

voltage also increases with size and depth.

current on the other hand, i have not had much success with at all. if i space them far enough apart (or in seperate cans) they can be run in parallel, but with very tiny incremental results (not the current doubling one would expect). in series the voltage will double as expected.

in college we had a 20v setup with about 3 dozen dirtfilled cans on a tabletop.  (again using copper on both electrodes)
there was very little curent though.

i'll have to take a good look at this "joule thief" thing.  i scanned the threads briefly a while back but was confused by the issue, and decided to leave that one alone.. I  have no clue how they are even constructed...
  If something like that can drive the current of an EB to usable levels, then i have a list of 3,000 other places such a device could be utilized.... i.e. anywhere there is a voltage potential...

BTW, magnesium and copper works a lot better than copper and steel. ( at least until it oxidizes and has to be replaced)

« Last Edit: July 18, 2009, 05:40:13 AM by sm0ky2 »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2009, 05:55:08 AM »
@iotayodi,
Good to hear this.
Then, I hope  we can look forward to some scopeshots?

@Bill,
Yaknow, I thought I saw something that may have been a spike like the ones you had last night.
No storm here, though.

The spikes were very fast just like the ones of yours. I couldn't take a pic.
I made a movie which I have tried to make into a small enough thing for upload, just to see if I could.
I can't add the contrast on the movie that I can add on the pics so it is really dim and fuzzy.
It is probably more annoying than helpful.
Sorry. But I did see these thin spikes today.

In fact today was extremely active.
I had good pix at about 8 or 9 resolution levels. Usually there are 3-5 good resolution levels.

@Sm0ky2
This is a good suggestion. I have a few compasses. I surely can find one that will give me a dip angle.
I even have a pond I am starting to make.
I can try the depth in the side of that before it gets filled with winter rains. It is dry now.

thank you,

jeanna


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2009, 06:38:54 AM »
@all

So you see if i simply had 350 watts of free earth power running at its max efficiency. i could run my Laptop 65watts my tv 150 watts and lamp 75 watts all from the earth.

Plus run my custom JT circuits for lighting all over the house. I only need 12 volts and 300 mAs to make that all happen :)


-Altrez

Altrez,

let me know when you can run all of those things with 36 milliwatts.  i'll have a nobel prize lined up for ya...

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2009, 06:58:53 AM »
@Stringguy
Thankyou string,    nice to have you along with us. 
@all,
just want to say thanks to all for the excellent work you are doing.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2009, 07:04:16 AM »
Jeanna:

I know you have seen this before but here it is again in case it helps other folks:

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/IGRFWMM.jsp

This will compute the dip angle and deviation for your area.  Very easy to use.


@Smokey:

The best materials I have found is carbon (north) and magnesium (south).  But your report of the college experiments reflects what we have learned on our earth battery topics research.  When folks used to say that this was only galvanic action between two dissimilar metals, I would reply that I originally used two copper pipes cut from the same pipe and got both voltage and mA's when aligned properly so, to me anyway, this ruled that out.  There is much to be learned here and you can get amps...many of them.  I did not know this when I started the Kapandze topic but, evidently, there are several others that have replicated his work.  And, hopefully soon, some from Overunity.com will do so.  I would try but, I am honest in sayng the electrical stuff employed is over my head at the moment.  I have learned a lot and hopefully will learn more and then, we shall see.

Please feel free to jump in here and make a small EB and if you have access to a scope, post your findings.  As far as the joule thief goes, I can help you with the basic design but Jeanna is the one to go to for the advanced stuff being experimented on over there. (she is way ahead of me)  The basic ones are simple and easy to do.  I have converted 2 flashlights using these circuits and I can light more leds with less batteries than the original design can.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2009, 07:26:54 AM »
@SmOky,

This is very good information you have posted below.
It is something we could file away in somewhere labled Tools to use with a earth battery.

@Jeanna

if you dont know the dip angle in your area you can make a make-shift  "compass" with a needle and string.

first place the needle so it rotates horizontally to find the 'magnetic north' from where you are.

then turn it so it rotates vertically to find the 'dip angle'

it should be fairly consistent with depth up to about 40ft deep or so. ( most people dont go down quite that far.....)

occasionally i have come across areas with a magnetic anomoly, where the dip angle varies greatly within a short distance, this is usually near 'hot spots' where the magma is closer to the surface.
such as throughought california or in the desert.

but for the most part, if you use the 'compass' in the spot where you are making your battery you should be good to go.


@ Jim

when i first was taught about the EB in college, we used 2 pieces of copper.  it was not until 10 yrs later when someone showed me that 2 different metals can increase the voltage. i believe this is due to an ectrochemical reaction between the metals when there is a voltage potential already present.  This seems to be in line with the electrochemical series of metals, though i have not tested every existing metal and possible soil compositions.

voltage also increases with size and depth.

current on the other hand, i have not had much success with at all. if i space them far enough apart (or in seperate cans) they can be run in parallel, but with very tiny incremental results (not the current doubling one would expect). in series the voltage will double as expected.

in college we had a 20v setup with about 3 dozen dirtfilled cans on a tabletop.  (again using copper on both electrodes)
there was very little curent though.

i'll have to take a good look at this "joule thief" thing.  i scanned the threads briefly a while back but was confused by the issue, and decided to leave that one alone.. I  have no clue how they are even constructed...
  If something like that can drive the current of an EB to usable levels, then i have a list of 3,000 other places such a device could be utilized.... i.e. anywhere there is a voltage potential...

BTW, magnesium and copper works a lot better than copper and steel. ( at least until it oxidizes and has to be replaced)
Ha ha, the Joule thief topic is fairly full, with a lot of information, lol, If you need assestance finding exact info, try asking Jeanna, she is the best of remembering where it "might" be.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2009, 07:39:49 AM »
@all,

I'm having a little trouble here in the screen to make posts, where you write the words into, I have noticed this back at the house first, then here at another location in another town, on another computer.

When I get to the bottom of the screen, the words will not scroll up so you can see the line you are typing on, rather it bounces around a bit, I had difficulty in my above post, the last bottom lines I did not being able to see them.

Has anyone else noticed this hapenning, I thought it was my PC back home playing up, but it is hapenning here in a completly different location, on a completly different PC, one has Dialup, the other has Broadband.

Problem is the same,m so its either in Aussie, or does everyone have it.

I also have probs getting a linkup to OU, I see Stefan has done a maintenance thing tooo.

jim 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2009, 07:54:21 AM »
Jim:

No problems here like you describe.  Stefan did do a back-up earlier today, I guess about 6 hours ago and I could not get on but, as of now, no problems on my end here.

Keep up your great work my friend.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2009, 08:11:32 AM »
@all,

I'm having a little trouble here in the screen to make posts,
Has anyone else noticed this hapenning,
...everyone have it.

...

jim
I am not having the same problem that you are describing, but for several days now, I have had to push a button 2 times.
The first time I get to a screen that tells me the connection was not made, along with an invitation to try again.
I do and it does; but since you are asking, I am now also wondering if it is not the site.
This thing I just described only happens here on ou.
It never happens anywhere else I go, just here.

nite,

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #86 on: July 18, 2009, 09:36:46 AM »
@Bill and Jeanna,

Thanks to both of you for this feedback with the question on the OU access/usage prob.

I got back home just now, been in town all day on the (broadband setup), back on dialup now.  ::)

I think it must be the OU site, just now I had to re-access the OU site as a popup said the site dropped out while trying to access it the first time, no doubt Stefan will be onto it soon enough.

I downloaded and printed that PDF about a earth battery which gives out 12v, havent read it yet, something to do tonight before the Tour Le France on SBS TV.

Ohhh yes, I saw Jesus has managed to get the "doova" idea I had working with "spirit" power, now ,,,, I have my bedini setup very similar, but Jesus it seems has managed to improve it, if you read this Jesus, well done indeed.
I must go and check the JT thread soon as I post this off.
 
Thanks guys, I'll see you.

hooroo
jim

 


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2009, 12:37:05 PM »
 Could the EB be functioning like a tube amplifier in some crude way? Solar wind<planet-eb as a pick up plate?
  If so maybe early tube methodology could improve performance.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2009, 05:26:30 PM »
Altrez,

let me know when you can run all of those things with 36 milliwatts.  i'll have a nobel prize lined up for ya...

I do not believe I said I could? I said if I could figure out a way to generate 350 watts from the earth.

-Altrez


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2009, 07:40:22 PM »
I do not believe I said I could? I said if I could figure out a way to generate 350 watts from the earth.

-Altrez
So Altrez,

Howz the scope coming?
Did you get it to show you a wave on your EB yet?

jeanna

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