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Offline newbie123

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2009, 04:20:39 PM »
@all

It is true that an earth battery is nothing new. With that being said what I find odd is the fact that they are not in wide spread use. Even if this a pure Voltaic effect it has some serious potential.

I can see someone running a home from nothing but earth battery's. Now true it might take a few 100 earth battery's to run a home but still once the work is done it should last for 20 years with some maintenance.

How long have you guys had Earth batteries run for,  I figured they wouldn't run (stable) longer than a few weeks...   20 years would be awesome.



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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2009, 04:32:01 PM »
How long have you guys had Earth batteries run for,  I figured they wouldn't run (stable) longer than a few weeks...   20 years would be awesome.

That is what I am testing. It seems to me that with right metals they would run for longer then 20 years. I have pulled up old copper pipe that has been underground for 10 plus years and it looked to be in really good shape.

The same with galvanized fence posts. So I am going to buy some copper pluming pipe and some galvanized pipe hammer them 3 feet apart 8 foot down in rows of 6. One thing that I am curious to see is how the amount of rain effects them. More voltage I am thinking. I also think the deeper the better.

-Altrez


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2009, 05:14:13 PM »
That is what I am testing. It seems to me that with right metals they would run for longer then 20 years. I have pulled up old copper pipe that has been underground for 10 plus years and it looked to be in really good shape.

The copper holding up isn't really the problem, it's more the minerals/ions in the ground surrounding the electrodes being depleted...  But the electrochemical effects on the electrodes will be seen over time as well.

Pirate,  how long have you had your earth battery running for?


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2009, 05:33:07 PM »


I plan to go to lowes and buy 12 earth battery's connect them in series and run a JT.
Hey Altrez,
I hope I catch you before you go out to buy all that stuff.

You cannot connect them in series.
I don't care what that long article says. You can't do it.

The earth seems to be a kind of  pulsing random current. It is not DC or AC, but RC. You can connect the leads in a parallel way but not a series way. Unless you have acreage, you cannot do the idea you described. Maybe you have acreage, and I should be quiet...

@newbie123
Localjoe started an EB thread about 2 years ago. Bill's probes still seem to be working. My probes are also still working. I have a Stubblefiels induction coil generator in the ground which I never took out and it is still fine.

If you want an explanation for the reason the metals are OK, here is mine.
The metal ions are replaced by microbial action in the soil.
The microbes surround the metal stakes and use the ion exchange for their own purposes, but that action replenishes any ions missing. I believe this is the reason the EB works better only moist. If there is too much water the EB becomes a galvanic battery and the potential goes down.

Just my thoughts.

thank you,

jeanna


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2009, 06:03:37 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eztcSWZpfJg

Jeanna,   was power being consumed on a regular basis in those setups? 


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2009, 06:25:16 PM »
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The earth seems to be a kind of  pulsing random current. It is not DC or AC
Im thinking mainly dc. The flow may slowly build charge through the earth then release. There may even be overlapping charges. If there is bemf then you might pick up an ac type waveform.

If you parallel,the amps should increase and the voltage will stay the same.
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2009, 08:12:04 PM »
Hey Altrez,
I hope I catch you before you go out to buy all that stuff.

You cannot connect them in series.
I don't care what that long article says. You can't do it.

The earth seems to be a kind of  pulsing random current. It is not DC or AC, but RC. You can connect the leads in a parallel way but not a series way. Unless you have acreage, you cannot do the idea you described. Maybe you have acreage, and I should be quiet...

Just my thoughts.

thank you,

jeanna

Humm I can test that with 6 nails and 6 peaces of copper. How much voltage should I get with 1 rod copper and 1 rod galvanized steel? Right now its .970 is that the best it can get? Or is over 1 volt possible?
How much current are you seeing on yours?

Thanks!

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2009, 12:21:25 AM »
...Or is over 1 volt possible?
How much current are you seeing on yours?

Thanks!

-Altrez


0.9v last night
0.6v this morning.
1.01v last week

but I do not live in a city. I have close neighbors and there is a street but the lines are buried so they come in some kind of pipe I assume.
I am sure the ground from my power use is less than most and my neighbor's which would be as high as most, is far enough away to not add very much.
What I am saying is if the grid went down my EB would probably stay the same.

But whatever you get from zinc nails and copper pipe will reflect what you will get from other metal combos.
Farther apart will probably help.
On the magnetic line will probably help.
I don't understand the complication of what the true north vs magnetic north is. the compass shows magnetic north whatever it is.
I did find a significant difference last year when I moved things a little bit. North east was best for a while, but then that stopped being true.
I think the firestarter helps. I just found mine but haven't replaced the nails.
BTW I think those dipped nails are zinc and other metals including magnesium. They are a better south than straight zinc.
Hmm, I remember a lot, but there is more.
It is ALL there on that EB thread started by localjoe and now called stubblefield for an unexplainable reason. There are many mmany resources on that thread. Some pretty good battery jokes too!  ;)

@iotayodi,
If you think about what DC means.
It means directional current and the direction is one way.
In Tesla's vocabulary it meant steady current.

The earth currents are neither.

Not only that you can apply as much theory as you like we did a lot of basic research 2 years ago, you simply will not get a series connection out of it.
Every time a noob came to the thread, they thought , as Altrez just did, that they could just hook up a series connection and...

Not one of us actually did it.
We ALL wondered at the guy who wrote that big pdf about how it was done with nails inside pipes etc....

... but first I will send a pic from this morning. The great big wave was there again.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2009, 12:25:15 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eztcSWZpfJg

Jeanna,   was power being consumed on a regular basis in those setups?

That video is not an earth battery...just galvanic there.  No telluric currents and no ac/dc/pulsed dc spikes from the earth.  If he just used water, he would get better output....for a while.

Bill

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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2009, 12:27:12 AM »
The copper holding up isn't really the problem, it's more the minerals/ions in the ground surrounding the electrodes being depleted...  But the electrochemical effects on the electrodes will be seen over time as well.

Pirate,  how long have you had your earth battery running for?


I guess it has been 2 years so far.  I redid the set-up in the spring by getting a more precise alignment (which is very critical for max. output) and a larger block of magnesium and when I dug the stuff up, everything looked new.
These are best aligned with the north/south meridian and NOT magnetic north. 
Polar north in other words) And the angle from the bottom of your electrodes should match the magnetic dip angle for your area as close as you can get it.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2009, 12:38:10 AM »
Humm I can test that with 6 nails and 6 peaces of copper. How much voltage should I get with 1 rod copper and 1 rod galvanized steel? Right now its .970 is that the best it can get? Or is over 1 volt possible?
How much current are you seeing on yours?

Thanks!

-Altrez

My best numbers are 2.2 volts and my highest mA reading was 450. (That one I used the Stubblefield coil)  I can fill a 3 volt maxcap (650 Farad) pretty fast though and this is, I believe, due to those spikes we see on the scopes.

This was one of my best arguments back in the early days against the galvanic/chemical battery folks.  A galvanic battery only puts out 1.5 volts.  does not matter if it is an AA AAA or C or D cell battery or a car battery. (car batteries only put out 1.5 volts per cell and are hooked in series to get 12 volts)
There is something else going on here and I do not claim to know what it is.

In seeing what has been done by the Russian Kapandze, which is way over my head, I think the more we understand about what is happening, the better chance we have of utilizing it.

@ All:

Remember, Nathan Stubblefield ran the telephone system of Murry, KY. on earth batteries, and heated his house and lit his farm using them...all in the late 1800's.  No grid anywhere near him in the state at that time which would eliminate the leakage theory.  He was friends with Nikola Tesla.  Tesla's work plays an integral part in the Kapandze experiments yeilding 5 kW by pulsing the earth currents.

Bill

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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2009, 12:52:57 AM »
Quote from Jeanna: "I don't understand the complication of what the true north vs magnetic north is. the compass shows magnetic north whatever it is."


This is simple really, once you picture it.  The earth's magnetic north pole is nowhere near the actual north pole, it is located somewhere in central Canada somewhere and it moves around...quite a bit actually.  Now, the ONLY time a compass will point to true polar north is if you happened to be lined up with yourself to the south and the magnetic north pole located between you and the polar north pole.  Anywhere along that line north and south, the compass will point true north.  Anywhere else on the planet, it will be wrong and sometimes waaaay wrong.

Here in KY we have about 3 degrees difference, not too much really.  Now if you were in Japan or somewhere like that, it could be about 45 degrees off.  And, get this, if you were in northern Canada, it could be 180 degrees off.  Big error there.

I can post that link again if it would help so folks can calculate the deviation and it also gives the magnetic dip angle for a given location.  That really helped my output and, it was based on research done on telluric currents by....you guessed it, the Russians.  Their work showed these current were best intercepted along the north south alignment because of their flow which has nothing to do with magnetic north but, according to them, they flow (I think I remember this right) from the south pole to the the north pole.

Bill


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2009, 01:52:14 AM »
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If you think about what DC means.
It means directional current and the direction is one way.
In Tesla's vocabulary it meant steady current.
The earth currents are neither.
Being an electrician I know what it means. The key is still current and the earths current is still electrical in nature. It is steady,never completely subsides, regardless of the time factor or fluctuations. When the Anode should be placed on the northern meridian (North America anyway) I myself consider that highly directional. Telluric currents consist of both natural electric currents flowing within the entire earth. Plus man made electric currents. Also the presumed geo currents which is responsible for the permanent geomagnetic field may come into play.
You have a constant varying electromagnetic induction crossing the earths permanent magnetic field,including moving water,which produces their own magnetic fields which adds to the geomagnetic field. It also seems to produce a feedback on the ionosphere current system but that was proven to be negligible by Malin in 1970.
 A moving electrical current will produce a magnetic field and vice versus.
What I see is that the whole earth is crisscrossed with both of them, and possibly creating scalar like waves in the process and maintaining an equilibrium of sorts. Just a guess on my part. I think someone here has stated this also.
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2009, 01:56:22 AM »
So Bill,
You made a 3 degree shift and it made a big difference?
Mine is like 18 degrees.
So, if I am 48 degrees north, do I dig the carbon down so it is 48 degrees from the magnesium into the ground? Or do I dig the magnesium at the south end?

This must have to do with the galactic center or the plane of the solar system, or something really basic like that.

Your explanation is good. I just don't see why it would work the way it is described with the tilt the way it is. If it is lined up with magnetic north then at least it is in accord with the magnetic element, but the spin north...

So everyone take note... Do not ask me. I am not the person to ask about this!  ;D

Thanks for the explanation, Bill

jeanna


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2009, 02:04:53 AM »
Being an electrician I know what it means. The key is still current and the earths current is still electrical in nature.


 A moving electrical current will produce a magnetic field and vice versus.
What I see is that the whole earth is crisscrossed with both of them, and possibly creating scalar like waves in the process and maintaining an equilibrium of sorts. Just a guess on my part. I think someone here has stated this also.

I think you just described AC or RC just what I meant.

Yes, it is certainly complicated like that whereas DC is very simplistic unidirectional.

Maybe if you were to stick a few probes in the earth you would get the feeling of what it is  we are talking about. it is an interesting thing to do.

Unless you are in an apartment building with blacktop all around you, it is also an easy thing to do... not to mention fun.

mostly fun.

Then do you have a scope? Could you add your scopeshots to ours?

jeanna

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