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Author Topic: Mass can not slow time.  (Read 17767 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2009, 03:05:16 AM »
the theoretical "black hole" has yet to be confirmed. thre is evidence to suggest that the blackness found in the center of most galactic bodies is not a hypermassive "black hole" at all, but rather one of the few places where a 'true vacuum' exists.

spread throughout nearly all of space is tiny particles of matter, spacedust, ect., thus even in the vacuum of space, there is not a 'true vacuum'.  evidence suggests that in the center of a galaxy, like for example our spiraling milky-way, the gravitational forces are so great in the outward direction, that it creates a 'true vacuum'. it is this vacuum that holds the galaxy together, and that the lack of matter (space dust, ect) presents nothing for light to reflect off of, and thus it ceases to be "light" as we know it.

both theories represent the same observed phenomena of attraction, but in the latter, there is no "singularity", simply a pure void, a nothingness.

yet, in both instances, when approaching the event horizon (if we still want to call it that) there is no evidence for a distortion of time.
the estimated "life time" of a star of a given mass, appears to be the same in the center of a galaxy as it does at the outer edges.

if mass affacted "time" in such a manner, we would expect the life time of a star in the center of the galaxy to be either much longer or much shorter in the face of great mass, or a lack thereof.

Let's take the simple example of atomic decay
an atom here on earth will decay at the same rate as an atom in space, far from the mass of the earth.
space-based nuclear generators operate on this principal.

thus - mass does not appear to slow time.









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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2009, 03:05:16 AM »

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2009, 09:50:50 AM »
the theoretical "black hole" has yet to be confirmed.

if Blackholes are theoretical then how come you think you know so much about Blackholes? there are some very wickedly smart people studying them night and day, what about you?

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thre is evidence to suggest that the blackness found in the center of most galactic bodies is not a hypermassive "black hole" at all, but rather one of the few places where a 'true vacuum' exists.

I would like to see this evidence and the literature behind these statements.

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spread throughout nearly all of space is tiny particles of matter, spacedust, ect.

you seem to be stuck on classical atomics, space is also filled with Quantum particles and waves as well as classical Atomic particles.

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, thus even in the vacuum of space, there is not a 'true vacuum'.

you are contradicting yourself here.

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evidence suggests that in the center of a galaxy, like for example our spiraling milky-way, the gravitational forces are so great in the outward direction, that it creates a 'true vacuum'.

you just contradicted yourself again.
In quantum mechanics, the vacuum is defined as the state (i.e. solution to the equations of the theory) with the lowest energy.
Even if a region of space contains no particles, the cosmic microwave background fills the entire universe with black body radiation.

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it is this vacuum that holds the galaxy together, and that the lack of matter (space dust, ect) presents nothing for light to reflect off of, and thus it ceases to be "light" as we know it.

Are you making this stuff up as you go along? a Galaxy is held together by its fundamental forces, it expands because it still has excess kinetic energy to expand.

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both theories represent the same observed phenomena of attraction, but in the latter, there is no "singularity", simply a pure void, a nothingness.

which two theories are you pulling this nonsense from?

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yet, in both instances, when approaching the event horizon (if we still want to call it that) there is no evidence for a distortion of time.

you sound like you are saying that Blackholes exist here, another contradiction. time doesn't get distorted outside or while approaching an event horizon, it is still relative, it is theorized that inside of the event horizon is where time gets warped and at the Blackholes core surface time is extremely warped maybe even down to the Quantum level.

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the estimated "life time" of a star of a given mass, appears to be the same in the center of a galaxy as it does at the outer edges.

The Star 183027 is the oldest star so far found, it is lighter than our sun, the reason 183027 lived so long is because it has always had a lack of other elements, 183027 always contained more Hydrogen to Helium, 183027 is theorized to of been born about 1 billion years after the big bang which makes it about 13 billion years old.

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if mass affacted "time" in such a manner, we would expect the life time of a star in the center of the galaxy to be either much longer or much shorter in the face of great mass, or a lack thereof.

it really does sound like you are guessing here, relativity should already tell you that time does slow down at the center of Gravity and speeds up the further you get from the center of Gravity.

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Let's take the simple example of atomic decay
an atom here on earth will decay at the same rate as an atom in space, far from the mass of the earth.
space-based nuclear generators operate on this principal.

the decay rate charted as half life of a radio isotope is an approximation only, all decay rates of all Isotopes decay with a 'random' decay, you can not predict when an isotope will spontaneously decay. if you are talking about Beta Reactors then all they do is collect Beta emissions on charge plates. If you are talking about nuclear thermopiles that is inherent to converting heat through thermoelectric effects, which nuclear generators are you referring?

you can not use a radioactive isotope as a clock because the decay rates are random, you have to use stable isotopes for clocks. radioactive isotopes are used in what's called true random number generators because their decay is random and not predictable.

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thus - mass does not appear to slow time.

nonsense.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2009, 07:43:31 PM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2009, 10:18:20 PM »
This question is for anyone that wants to try to answer it.
What is the mass of time?
I say the mass of time is 0. I also say something with 0 mass cannot  change anything.

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2009, 11:31:03 PM »
Quote from: brian334 said:
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I say the mass of time is 0. I also say something with 0 mass cannot  change anything.
@all
As a concept, I do agree in principal.
Time is a dimension that one perceives as going in one direction(forward, ordinarily) as long as one lives, yes?
A dimension cannot have mass as such.  An object inside three dimensions experiences time dilation heading toward lightspeed, right?  It has its apparent time slowed, relatively, not the independent space around it as it moves.

Artificial time travel is something else entirely.

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2009, 12:46:47 AM »
Hi everyone good day !  ;D

to cut it short, it is the WEIGHT that slows time ok  ;)

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2009, 05:31:40 PM »
The standard model has been good at predicting the elementary particles thus far.  All of the elementary particles discovered were predicted to have 0 mass.  The truth is, all of the discovered particles of the standard model has mass and this includes the photon.

This left the physicists trying to figure out where the elementary particles were obtaining their mass from.  So, they came up with the theory of the Higgs Boson particle.  The Higgs boson is the only Standard Model particle that has not yet been observed.

The Higgs boson particle (the God particle) is one quantum component of the theoretical Higgs field.  In empty space, the Higgs field has an amplitude of a non-zero vacuum expectation value. The existence of this non-zero vacuum expectation plays a fundamental role: it gives mass to every elementary particle, including the Higgs boson itself. This field is analogous to a pool of molasses that "sticks" to the otherwise massless fundamental particles which travel through the field (space), converting them into particles with mass which form, for example, the components of atoms.

As the elementary particles increase their speed through this field which has mass, the elementary particles obtain more relativistic mass due to the resistance of moving through this field.

Now, take an elementary particle that is massless where there is no higgs bosons sticking to it and no higgs field in space.  Let's say it can move from point A to point B instantaneously because it has no mass.

Now, we'll say some mass from the Higgs field has stuck to the elementary particle giving it mass.  It can no longer move from point A to point B instantaneously because of the mass it is carrying.  It will take Time to move from point A to point B now.

Now, we'll say as it moves from A to B it will be moving through the higgs field.  As it moves through this field, the elementary particle's relative mass increases due to the resistance of the field, and this causes it to take even more time to move from A to B.

If it wasn't for the Higgs Field, then the elementary particles would be massless and have an instantaneous speed, and Time would not be a factor (It would be outside of Time). 

If the theory of the Higgs Field is correct, then the elementary particles that make up matter, now has mass due to the Higgs Field, which slows Time down.  The more mass it has, the slower it can move.  For the atom, this means it will tick or oscillate slower.  Since we are made up of atoms, then our brain waves will slow down, our heart rate will slow down, our thinking process will slow down, our clocks will tick slower, etc.

Space or the Higgs Field, which makes up space, gives matter or the elementary particles mass.  Mass gives the elementary particles or matter less Time.  Mass and matter are not the same thing!

0 mass = Infinite Time
Infinite mass = 0 Time


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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2009, 07:00:37 PM »
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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2009, 05:05:03 AM »
Mass makes up the invisible world of space.  Matter makes up the visible world of space.

The invisible mass attaches itself to the visible matter, giving the visible matter mass.  The missing mass in a galaxy and the universe that physicists theorize about is the invisible mass that is not attached to any visible matter and they call this dark matter/energy.

The mass particle that attaches itself to the matter particle has a polarity and charge that is opposite to that of the matter particle.  This is the reason why mass attaches itself to matter, since they have opposite polarities.  Mass is a monopole and matter is a monopole.  When a particle of mass is attached to a particle of matter, then it creates a dipole.  Mass being the "N" and matter being "S", or vice versa.

Physicists have wondered why there is more matter than anti-matter in the universe.  This is because most of the anti-matter particles in the universe are making up the invisible particles of mass while the matter particles is making up the visible particles which has no mass.

I will continue this only if there is interest.............


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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2009, 10:44:14 PM »
 I think atheists like Einstein can’t deal with the notion that the universe is infinitely big and the universe has existed forever. So daum people like Einstein make-up stuff. 

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2009, 02:21:08 AM »


"electrical resistance" can slow down time.

all mass has "electrical resistance".
though some atoms have more than other atoms.



time is slowed down, when it passes through mass.
but ONLY the time that passes through the mass, is slowed down.

the time that flowed AROUND the mass, is not slowed down.



i have noticed that electrical resistance GREATLY increases,
between 2 polarized/electrified objects.

if you placed a copper wire and a steel wire into a cup of water,
then connected a positive multimeter lead to the copper, and the negative lead to the steel,
then set the multimeter to measure the electrical resistance,
than the electrical resistance will likely read in the mega ohms !


that is right.
the mega ohms.
from copper and steel, sitting in water......



does time also slow down, if time passes through the copper, steel, and water ?


does time slow down slightly, if it passes through a capacitor which is holding a strong charge ???



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Offline Elliot Gain

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2009, 08:19:34 AM »
There is no connection between mass and time.
Ummm.. you should take that up with Einstein.. and all the scientists that use equations based on his theorys on the relationship between mass and time, they are keeping the satellites from falling on your head.  ;)

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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2009, 09:36:29 AM »
Thank you brian334.You are a deep thinker,I admire that.

sm0ky2,the most amazing "out of the box thinking" I
have seen.Wow and Wow!!

EVERYONE'S post on this thread,deserves much
more study (on my part)

This thread has given me some very constructive
Ideas for experimentation.Starting tonight.

The good thing about studying/researching for a gravity-block is,
since one doesn't exist then any
un-successful attempt is just a learning tool.

sm0key2's post,gives me an Idea for a start.
Not a "Thought Experiment", a hands on experiment,construction.

I will print these three pages..for bed time reading.
Many thanks again to brian33 (and the REST of
you THINKERS.
Respectfully
Joe in Texas
Keep it coming.


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« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2009, 04:19:59 AM »
FROM NASA:
“Although we do not observe the core directly, it’s amazing how much we can learn about
Earth’s interior using magnetic field observations,” said Dickey.

In order to approximate the flow of liquid in the core, the scientists visualized its motion as a
set of 20 rigid cylinders, each rotating about a common point that represents Earth’s axis.
“Imagine that each cylinder is slowly rotating at a different speed, and you’ll get a sense of
the complex churning that’s taking place within Earth’s core,” Dickey said.

The scientists analyzed the data to identify common patterns of movement among the
different cylinders. These patterns represent how momentum and energy are transferred
from the liquid core-mantle interface inward through the liquid core toward the inner core
with diminishing amplitudes.

Their analyses isolated six slow-moving oscillations, or waves of motion, occurring within
the liquid core. The oscillations originated at the boundary between Earth’s core and its
mantle and traveled inward toward the inner core with decreasing strength. Four of these
oscillations were robust, occurring at periods of 85, 50, 35 and 28 years. Since the scientist’s
data set goes back to 1840, the recurrence period of the longest oscillation (85 years) is less
well determined than the other oscillations. The last two oscillations identified were weaker
and will require further study.

The 85- and 50-year oscillations are consistent with a 1997 study by researchers Stephen
Zatman and Jeremy Bloxham of Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.,
END QUOTE
Joe in Texas

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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2009, 10:03:43 PM »

Browsing this thread brought to mind an article I ran across in New Scientist a while back.

Burkhard Heim (a German theoretical physicist: 1925-2001) developed a theory (1977) and supporting mathematics that resulted in the most precise calculation of fundamental-particle mass to date, exceeding even standard-model calculations such as those derived through lattice quantum chromodynamics.

Few (if any) physicists today claim to understand Heim's math, but they recognise it's efficacy.

The ramifications of this theory extend to inter-dimensional travel, fuelless power and anti-gravity as a fundamental force.

Mainstream Science is, however, conservative by nature and has paid Heim little attention,  but that hasn't stopped NASA and Sandia Labs from expressing continued interest.

Original article:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html


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Re: Mass can not slow time.
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2009, 10:50:12 PM »
Common thinking should always trump theoretical math.

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