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Title: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 13, 2009, 07:10:42 PM
Hi-

 Not sure I have posted correctly but just wanted to start off the colloidal silver chat if anyone was interested.
 I had been using colloidal silver water for over 6 years now and have been making it myself for about 5 of those years.
 It is a safe and effective medicine against bacterial, viral and fungal infections. The illnesses that it can assist in getting rid of are too numerous to list here but they range from the common cold, healing burns, gum infections, food poisoning right on up to cancers.
 If anyone has any personal experiences or questions about it's use, please post them here or pm me. Also if anyone is looking for an inexpensive source for quality made colloidal silver water then pm me for information.

Thanks


Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: nightlife on June 13, 2009, 08:40:32 PM
The following link will help others learn more about what Colloidal Silver Water is.

http://www.icnr.com/articles/silverwater.html
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: itanimuLLi on June 14, 2009, 01:11:47 AM
Hi-

 Not sure I have posted correctly but just wanted to start off the colloidal silver chat if anyone was interested.
 I had been using colloidal silver water for over 6 years now and have been making it myself for about 5 of those years.
 It is a safe and effective medicine against bacterial, viral and fungal infections. The illnesses that it can assist in getting rid of are too numerous to list here but they range from the common cold, healing burns, gum infections, food poisoning right on up to cancers.
 If anyone has any personal experiences or questions about it's use, please post them here or pm me. Also if anyone is looking for an inexpensive source for quality made colloidal silver water then pm me for information.

Thanks

Hi Zen
Can U tell us more about how u made Ur colloidal silver.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 14, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
hi-

 Making colloidal silver water at home is not difficult. Making quality colloidal silver water is a bit trickier.
 Basically using 2 pure silver wires(electrodes) spaced apart about 4cm and placed into a pure water solution with 27 volt dc put to it will do the trick.
 Pure water being such a poor conductor of electricity it will take some time to get some current flowing so it takes awhile. Small positively charged silver ions will be created in this process along with actual colloids and held in suspension in the solution.
It has been demonstrated that  3-5 ppm(parts per million) of silver water is an effective medicine. I make mine at between 10-20ppm which I find to be very effective.
 More importantly to ppm is the particle size itself. It is essential to have only the smallest particles since they are the ones that will disable the bacterias etc. Large particles are not effective and is something you'd want to avoid creating.
 Good dc, current controlled, colloidal silver makers will produce particle sizes ranging from .001 to .005 microns.  There are products and systems available these days that offer even smaller particles yet and with very high ppm.

 As for your home made machine you would ideally want to limit the current so that you don't have a 'current runaway' effect as the conductivity of the solution increases. Too much current or left on for too long can create a real nasty batch of stuff with really large particles that you wouldn't want to ingest.
 
 A rough basic colloidal silver set up is better then no silver water machine at all however it is really worth the time, effort and money to ensure you make or buy a quality, safe and effective colloidal silver water product.

cheers,
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: itanimuLLi on June 14, 2009, 11:53:03 AM
@Zen.
Thank U Zen, so U use 27 volts and distilled water as i understand. wat is your advice according the current . wat is the maximum mAh is used to keep the particals as small as possible.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 14, 2009, 02:12:29 PM
Hi-

 I haven't yet noted any general consensus on the minimum and/or the maximum current. Too low a current and it wouldn't be a problem except that it would take a longer time to complete a batch.
 Besides current value itself is the current 'density' to consider. I mean that higher currents can be used it you use wider electrodes. Most at home builders and store bought machines use silver 'wire' such as 16, 14, 12 or 10 gauge wire. Things can improve a lot when using wider, flat silver electrodes.

 this little website has a cool little build it yourself system with the all important current regulation in mind.   odecoyote2@windstream.net

might help clarify things a bit more for ya. Also they are a source for pure silver wire.

cheers,
 
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: itanimuLLi on June 14, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
Ok thanks
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 15, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
thanks for the info zen, but your link doesnt work correctly, can u fix?

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 15, 2009, 04:43:38 AM
Oops!

Sorry people. Here is the correct link.

http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 16, 2009, 04:55:26 AM
Hello everyone :)

After years of looking into and finally using CS I found that there was a lot of information that was contradictory so it was hard to make sense of who's right and who's wrong about; uses, doses, types of silver ie: Silver solutions with silver salts versus Pure Silver etc...To make a long story short, my decision was based on the following information from an article called The Safety of Using Silver Solutions and the Risk of Argyria
Keith Moeller, American Biotech Labs, January 15th, 2008
 

At:  http://www.guardian-silver-health-supplements.com/learning/article/keith-moeller-safety-of-silver-solutions/

This article seems to cover all grounds regarding internal consumptions and limits as well as types, turns out that the silver salts are a bad thing so I would be careful about purchasing something I didn't make. 

As with all things though, making your own CS takes some due diligence as well as consuming it, be careful!

Note:  After looking at several plans to build my own I decided on the Scada Research RSG-2 at the time and make my own CS since then with no regrets so far because a little goes a long way for me :)

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: itanimuLLi on June 16, 2009, 10:27:18 AM
Hello everyone :)

After years of looking into and finally using CS I found that there was a lot of information that was contradictory so it was hard to make sense of who's right and who's wrong about; uses, doses, types of silver ie: Silver solutions with silver salts versus Pure Silver etc...To make a long story short, my decision was based on the following information from an article called The Safety of Using Silver Solutions and the Risk of Argyria
Keith Moeller, American Biotech Labs, January 15th, 2008
 

At:  http://www.guardian-silver-health-supplements.com/learning/article/keith-moeller-safety-of-silver-solutions/

This article seems to cover all grounds regarding internal consumptions and limits as well as types, turns out that the silver salts are a bad thing so I would be careful about purchasing something I didn't make. 

As with all things though, making your own CS takes some due diligence as well as consuming it, be careful!

Note:  After looking at several plans to build my own I decided on the Scada Research RSG-2 at the time and make my own CS since then with no regrets so far because a little goes a long way for me :)

Regards,
Paul

Hi Goat,
Simple question wat is your way of making CS I am very interested.
thx.
Title: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 16, 2009, 02:06:46 PM
Hi Paul and the rest,

 That was some good information that you submitted. I myself first purchased a Sota Instruments pulsar/cs unit which appears to be similar to the systems you mentioned over at Scada Research where it looks like they have some interesting machines. Thanks for the link.

 Those that are interested in similar technology can have a look over at http://www.sotainstruments.com/  where they have the full line of stuff for Bob Beck's complete protocol.

 Speaking of contradictory information the guys over here you mentioned at guardian-silver-health-supplements.com are so biased against ionic/colloidal silver that it is nearly comical. I haven't any doubt that their own product is good or perhaps even better but without mentioning details here their information about the competing colloidal/ionic solutions is really misleading. Goes to show again that it is indeed difficult to get unbiased information.

 There are very reputable companies that have been providing quality, safe and effective colloidal(ionic) silver water to the public for years. It is worth the money and effort spent on ensuring one ingests only quality made silver water whether you've made it yourself or bought it from a reputable supplier.
 
I have sold a nice 10-20ppm colloidal silver inexpensively to 100s of people over the years. It has benefited nearly everyone and not a single one had any adverse effects. There are no records of people dying from the intake of silver water in any form even poorly made ones and yet 100,000 die annually in the USA from antibiotics that are 'properly' prescribed. Silver is the only metal that you cannot get 'heavy metal poisoning' from.

 Those that want to make their own batches at home should educate themselves properly and ensure that they only ingest colloidal or ionic silver that is made with pure water only and the purest silver available. Creating only the smallest particles is essential for both effectiveness and safety.

 All in all this wonderful material has a lot of upside and very little risk. Everyone should learn about it and have it on hand in their own homes.

cheers,


 

 

 

 
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 17, 2009, 08:19:05 AM
Hi Goat,
Simple question wat is your way of making CS I am very interested.
thx.

My preferred method is:

1.  Use water that is pure or close to it (Distilled water with no minerals and salts or better) I use a clean glass container (Glass mug in my case) that is clean and tripled rinsed using the distilled water to clean it out.

2.  See picture below, using this device on the 1mA which is the CS (Colloidal Silver) mode set to "Const" which is the constant current at 1mA mode I run it for 20 minutes at 20 Degrees Fahrenheit and then put in a dark glass triple rinsed glass wine bottle stored in a dark cool temperature location to use later on.

3. In my experience I've had no luck at all using the 20mA setting "Limit" under the CS setting, I ended up with a batch of dark stuff accumulating around the silver rods but the 1 mA setting "Const" provides a clear batch every time for me so far.

4.  I only use the CS sparingly so far both internally and externally for different health reasons to see if it makes a difference and so far I think it does more good than harm, so this far so good!


Keep in mind that the above statements are only my experience this far, others may say different, but considering that I've not caught the latest cold everyone else had around me I think it's relatively safe to use and may have beneficial effects.

Considering that most of the current anti-antibiotic's are selective and no longer effective I'm willing to use it if it has an advantage.

Regards,
Paul


Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 17, 2009, 08:39:30 AM
Hi Paul and the rest,

 That was some good information that you submitted. I myself first purchased a Sota Instruments pulsar/cs unit which appears to be similar to the systems you mentioned over at Scada Research where it looks like they have some interesting machines. Thanks for the link.

 Those that are interested in similar technology can have a look over at http://www.sotainstruments.com/  where they have the full line of stuff for Bob Beck's complete protocol.

 Speaking of contradictory information the guys over here you mentioned at guardian-silver-health-supplements.com are so biased against ionic/colloidal silver that it is nearly comical. I haven't any doubt that their own product is good or perhaps even better but without mentioning details here their information about the competing colloidal/ionic solutions is really misleading. Goes to show again that it is indeed difficult to get unbiased information.

 There are very reputable companies that have been providing quality, safe and effective colloidal(ionic) silver water to the public for years. It is worth the money and effort spent on ensuring one ingests only quality made silver water whether you've made it yourself or bought it from a reputable supplier.
 
I have sold a nice 10-20ppm colloidal silver inexpensively to 100s of people over the years. It has benefited nearly everyone and not a single one had any adverse effects. There are no records of people dying from the intake of silver water in any form even poorly made ones and yet 100,000 die annually in the USA from antibiotics that are 'properly' prescribed. Silver is the only metal that you cannot get 'heavy metal poisoning' from.

 Those that want to make their own batches at home should educate themselves properly and ensure that they only ingest colloidal or ionic silver that is made with pure water only and the purest silver available. Creating only the smallest particles is essential for both effectiveness and safety.

 All in all this wonderful material has a lot of upside and very little risk. Everyone should learn about it and have it on hand in their own homes.

cheers,

@ zenmountain

I completely agree with you, especially the:

"Those that want to make their own batches at home should educate themselves properly and ensure that they only ingest colloidal or ionic silver that is made with pure water only and the purest silver available. Creating only the smallest particles is essential for both effectiveness and safety."

As I mentioned before, educate yourself, then make your own decisions,  I have and it's working for me, if you don't feel safe making it yourself then at the very least buy it and try it as only an external treatment to prove that it can do what is claimed, if it works then move on to other tests.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: rMuD on June 18, 2009, 12:45:01 AM
My generator is made from a  99.999999% pure silver wire, harmonic case, with a dc adapter and a step up circuit to output 27v  a LED too so you can see how well your conducting thru the water.  Keep the rods clean of oxidation!   Been using it for 15 years with no ill effect.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 18, 2009, 07:19:59 PM

@ Goat 
Thanks for the kind words. Yup, people really need to do their own research and experiment carefully until satisfied of silver water's safety and efficacy.

@ rMuD
 Wow! 15 yrs of safe utilization. What was your most memorable cure over that time attributed to the use of silver water?
 and also where in the heck did you get 99.999999% silver wire. The best I can find is 99.99% Can you give us the name of your supplier?

cheers,
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: rMuD on June 19, 2009, 03:39:47 AM
@ Goat 
Thanks for the kind words. Yup, people really need to do their own research and experiment carefully until satisfied of silver water's safety and efficacy.

@ rMuD
 Wow! 15 yrs of safe utilization. What was your most memorable cure over that time attributed to the use of silver water?
 and also where in the heck did you get 99.999999% silver wire. The best I can find is 99.99% Can you give us the name of your supplier?

cheers,

Friend made the unit for me when he was researching possible cures for cancer when he father had cancer, it more than likely is 99.99% Silver Wire it's been 15 years since he made them, time stretches the truth.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 19, 2009, 07:02:26 AM
Hey guys great posts, the thing with this subject as well as any other is buyer beware! 

Don't take anyone's words as gospel truth on this subject, do some research, if you don't feel safe trying it on yourself try it on plants or animals first, this may sound cruel to some but I'm sure you'll see more good than harm by using CS if made properly which isn't that hard as long as you follow instructions and use or make devices that are known to deliver a descent CS solution. 

Personally I think that we should compost into Colloidal form as much organic matter and feeding this back to the soil rather than throwing it all away in the garbage. 

To me CS (colloidal siver) is just another natural product that's been conveniently forgotten in order to acquire ill gotten gains by the greedy few willing to make profit on human suffering.

Anyways, as the saying goes, Just Do It but take the usual precautions!

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 19, 2009, 07:19:11 AM
Friend made the unit for me when he was researching possible cures for cancer when he father had cancer, it more than likely is 99.99% Silver Wire it's been 15 years since he made them, time stretches the truth.

Has anyone got hard facts on using 99.99% vs 99.99999999999999999999999999% Silver Wire?

I've been using the 99.99% for years and they haven't gone down in size (that I've noticed) generating 1 gallon/month, if anything scraping off the oxidation film with a scouring pad probably wears off the silver wires more than the electrolysis process does!  Even at that rate I think the silver wires will last a few more years yet, maybe more!

I haven't had my CS solution analyzed by a laboratory as far as ppm and size, I make it and check it in a dark room with a laser and use it as needed figuring that a percentage of the solution is made up of small enough particles to do the job and the bigger particles in solution to more good than harm and get rejected if not needed, so far so good :)

I only use 1/2 Oz per day as a gargle and swallow and so far definitely no harm.

Edit:  The only reason I use the CS as a gargle is because the information I read is that the smaller particles are readily absorbed by the soft skin tissue under one's tongue ;)

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: gadgetmall on June 19, 2009, 03:43:25 PM
Has anyone got hard facts on using 99.99% vs 99.99999999999999999999999999% Silver Wire?

I've been using the 99.99% for years and they haven't gone down in size (that I've noticed) generating 1 gallon/month, if anything scraping off the oxidation film with a scouring pad probably wears off the silver wires more than the electrolysis process does!  Even at that rate I think the silver wires will last a few more years yet, maybe more!

I haven't had my CS solution analyzed by a laboratory as far as ppm and size, I make it and check it in a dark room with a laser and use it as needed figuring that a percentage of the solution is made up of small enough particles to do the job and the bigger particles in solution to more good than harm and get rejected if not needed, so far so good :)

I only use 1/2 Oz per day as a gargle and swallow and so far definitely no harm.

Edit:  The only reason I use the CS as a gargle is because the information I read is that the smaller particles are readily absorbed by the soft skin tissue under one's tongue ;)

Regards,
Paul
Hello . Goat !! I have been using CS for 9 years . I Bought a lot of Cs makers with the led on them and sold everyone and gave away Cs solutions to every person i know including My mom and dad who are still alive and well . It was three years ago Dad was in th ehospital . he had a cut on his foot . the doctors said it was nothing . well a month later he ended up in  the hospital for 6 months thru thanksgiving and Christmas and the doctors were ready to cut his leg off . Non of the Drugs were working to fight what became a serious infection right down to the bone . It was agreed By me and my two brothers and sister that we wernt going to let them do that to daddy . I snuck a bottle of My Mirical Water in and started replacing the water they gave him and sprayed it in him mouth . in a few days after I started him on it the infections started to go away and there was improvement . 1 oZ of Cs thru 2 weeks and he was recovering  and three weeks later they released him .He is Fine now and makes it regularly .I have even gave it to My Girl when she was 1 .We have a Blue Cobalt Bottle in the Bathrooms and spray it every day . I drink a full glass every now and then when i feel like i am going to be sick . and NO i am not BLUE or Gray :) You must be very careful when making it . I make most of mine when the moon is on the other side of the earth . Distilled water turns yellow in 30 minuets like Pee color . This is the best CS . I still have a bottle i made 4 years ago and its still yellow and active . I use a few drops of it to start the process . I also heat the water up in a Glass Container first . I use only Pure Distilled water no additives and 99.999 percent pure medical silver . The electrodes are still the same ones from 9 years ago . they are fat # 8 and were very expensive 9 years a go . I bought several sets of them for replacements . I Have experienced making the Colloidal on a full moon or in the daytime and did not succeed in make it yellow . It will be Clear if the moon is not on the other side of the earth . Weird that the Gravitational Pull affects Silver Cs  in that way . .. I will always use it as i have seen it work miracles . You can purchase a ppm meter for less than 40 bucks on Ebay. No need to have it tested . the doctors will just say its bad for you . they want to sell the drugs instead . It cures bad infections . colds . scrapes cuts Gives you Energy and protections . If you notice they just started to put silver in bandaids Finally . But they will never acknowledge that its a Cure for almost every thing .

Gadget
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: rMuD on June 19, 2009, 10:04:16 PM
Most everyone has forgotten why silver is used, and things like silverware, water fountains, places where "Germs" are lurking wasn't always a problem.

My favorite was about 5-10 years ago there was a outbreak of legionnaires disease.  It's a deadly disease that is hard to treat, cs research shows it is effective for it.  That was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news on the radio.  A few days later the local news was showing a new product created to prevent Legionnaires disease by putting a industrial sized CS generator in the cooling loop.

http://www.procareh2o.com/studies.asp
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-75210202.html
http://www.accepta.com/industry_water_treatment/legionnaires-disease-domestic-hot-water.asp

I saw another case study where a doctor was putting metal into a persons leg for some severe breaks or surgery, and reducing the infection.  He was experimenting with of course silver, stainless, and the voltages he was putting thru it while in was the leg.

Silver is being re-discovered, just slowly.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: jacek on June 20, 2009, 04:55:26 PM
@Gadget,

Do you make your CS using DC or AC? What voltage?
Do you have current limiter in your CS generator?
If so, what is the limit set to?
(I use 35 VDC, 800 uA [micro Amperes] limit)

Interesting that the color turns yellowish on a new moon.

Thanks.
Jacek

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: gadgetmall on June 20, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
@Gadget,

Do you make your CS using DC or AC? What voltage?
Do you have current limiter in your CS generator?
If so, what is the limit set to?
(I use 35 VDC, 800 uA [micro Amperes] limit)

Interesting that the color turns yellowish on a new moon.

Thanks.
Jacek
Hi its 4 9 volt batterys in series with an led . when the led is full bright its ready !!Yes it is very interesting . Wonder if this is somehow connected with the wearwolf   the silver bullet  and the full moon ?? 
The process starts faster with hot water ,but only on a stove  not a microwave and only in glass not a metal pan !! This is with Distilled water only . Once you have n extremely yellow suspension the electrical repulsion keeps the water yellow for a very long time IF you keep it out of the sun and away from any electrical device . once that happens it turns clear in a matter of minutes  . other wise it(silver) stays electrically suspended indefinitely 
Gadget








Gadget
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: gadgetmall on June 20, 2009, 10:45:24 PM
Most everyone has forgotten why silver is used, and things like silverware, water fountains, places where "Germs" are lurking wasn't always a problem.

My favorite was about 5-10 years ago there was a outbreak of legionnaires disease.  It's a deadly disease that is hard to treat, cs research shows it is effective for it.  That was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news on the radio.  A few days later the local news was showing a new product created to prevent Legionnaires disease by putting a industrial sized CS generator in the cooling loop.

http://www.procareh2o.com/studies.asp
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-75210202.html
http://www.accepta.com/industry_water_treatment/legionnaires-disease-domestic-hot-water.asp

I saw another case study where a doctor was putting metal into a persons leg for some severe breaks or surgery, and reducing the infection.  He was experimenting with of course silver, stainless, and the voltages he was putting thru it while in was the leg.

Silver is being re-discovered, just slowly.
Also the Term from the Olden days where kings and there relatives were called "BLUE BLOODS" This was a term used because they were really Blue because the rich ate and drank from silver and the particals would of coarse be too large and over time the skin became blue . To  day if Made Properly the size is Molecular compared to say sucking on a silver spoon or dime ;)
Gadget
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 21, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
@ Goat,

So if I understand you correctly, you want the water to turn yellow and that how you store and drink it yellow?  Also, what is at 20 degree F?

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: rMuD on June 21, 2009, 12:19:17 AM
Also the Term from the Olden days where kings and there relatives were called "BLUE BLOODS" This was a term used because they were really Blue because the rich ate and drank from silver and the particals would of coarse be too large and over time the skin became blue . To  day if Made Properly the size is Molecular compared to say sucking on a silver spoon or dime ;)
Gadget

I thought it was during the black plague, and they actually swallowed chunks of silver to save them from the plague.  and the blue skin is the condition called Argyria   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8C0GknwAM
http://www.tomifobia.com/rosemary.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5GK9Na8KU
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 21, 2009, 12:50:51 AM
@ Goat,

So if I understand you correctly, you want the water to turn yellow and that how you store and drink it yellow?  Also, what is at 20 degree F?

Mark

Hi Mark69

I haven't ever had a batch turn yellow yet so I'm not the one you are referring to, I think Gadget mentioned it, obviously from other peoples experience, using either clear or yellow solutions doesn't seem to matter.  I store the CS in a cupboard away from the light in a dark glass container so it's around +/- 20 C and it might be a reason I never had it turn yellow yet.

BTW Gadget...thanks for the information about the medical silver wire you use at 99.999% pure back in post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7610.msg186922#msg186922 it's the same I got, medical grade at that percentage I trust ;)

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 21, 2009, 08:59:41 AM
Hi guys-

I need to jump in here at this point for the defense of making clear colloidal silver water. I'm with Goat where clear silver water is just fine and is even argued by a good many that it is the only kind that is safe to ingest.
 My research over the years and my own experience would conclude that yellow color is an indication of there being larger particles (or agglomeration of smaller ones) in the solution. Larger particles such as those are not required in order to be an effective medicine.
 I make a 10 -20 ppm which is clear. An associate of mine makes 40+ppm(lab tested) which is absolutely clear. Both of these brews I can attest as to their efficacy.
 I have a quart of a friend's 30ppm sitting in a clear jar in my living room for over 3 years now and it still remains clear after all that time.
 Another friend makes a 15 ppm yellow silver water and then adds a few drops of H202(hydrogen peroxide) afterward so as to dissipate the large particles and thus make his batch clear. (it's kind of a neat reaction all it's own and many people also believe the h2o2 adds more power to the effectiveness of the silver water but that is another story)
 After having said all that, I must say here now that yellow colored silver water has been used safely for years and so probably won't turn you blue or at least not easily so, and will likely cure what ails you. However, it is the general consensus nowadays that the smaller the particles are the more effective and safe it is. A yellow 20ppm batch will have larger particles then a clear 20 ppm batch. I would chose the clear batch over the yellow one any day.
 I will try to find a document or 2 to support this position and attach it later on.

all the best,
 
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 21, 2009, 04:24:27 PM
@ Goat and Zen,

Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was getting confused.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 21, 2009, 05:18:20 PM
Where is the best place to get the silver rods?

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 21, 2009, 06:38:17 PM
Thanks Mark-

 The very cheapest way to get silver is to buy Canadian Silver Maple Leaf coins. You can have them cut and rolled out into the appropriate shapes you require for your electrodes. These come certified at 99.99% pure silver. The coins cost just a little bit more than the spot market price of silver which makes these the best choice and most cost efficient. Example of a coin supplier(and there are lots of them)-

https://www.apmex.com/Category/2/Silver_Canadian_Maple_Leafs__2009__Prior.aspx

Of course you can also get silver bars. Just be sure they are 99.99% pure silver and certified to be as such.

 The next best thing is to buy silver wire. Here you have to hunt around a bit to get the best prices and certified quality. I can post a couple of links here for silver wire suppliers. I recommend you get at least 14 gauge but 12 or 10 is better yet in the wire form.

http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire.htm
or if you want to spend even more money you can go to-
http://www.sotainstruments.com/original/documents/products.html
or this guy here who is pretty funny as well as informative-
http://www.silverpuppy.com/page1b.html

and finally for some flat style electrodes you can try these guys over at-
http://www.silvergen.com/shop/

You can google pure silver suppliers and see what else you can find. I do trust the above suppliers however.

hope that helps,

PS. Sorry Mark as I don't know where to get the 99.999% grade stuff that a couple of the  other fellows here are talking about.



Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 21, 2009, 07:12:13 PM
What do you know. I found a supplier for 99.999% silver wire.

http://www.surepure.com/products.php?ID=4&subCat=54

quite expensive though. As is I would and do take my chances with the already pure enough 99.99 % stuff.

best regards,
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on June 21, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
.999 purity ingots can be found on ebay in the form of 1-10-100 troy ounce forms sold as investment opportunities (be sure you check the latest market closings before you bid. You'll always pay more for merchandise rather than commodity options which market price is based, but how much more depends on your due diligence).

Look for ingots minted from a reputable mint and you should be able to score high quality ingots both for CS production and investment in a hard currency.
In fact, IF pandemic outbreaks of swine flu (or any other maledy) arrive as scheduled this fall and more people start looking towards non-FDA approved treatments that work, the trading value of silver may go WAY up.

I'm looking for a "cheap" 1 troy ounce ingot I can split in 2 for my electrodes. Should be good enough for production for the rest of my days.

It's (CS) best advertisement is it's use. The more you're able to not catch the flu/cold/pandemic of the day, the more you're a walking billboard for CS effectiveness.

I have not yet tried the CS regimen to test it's claims, but have read enough on the 'net in the way of occidental evidence of its proported effectiveness that I'm willing to give it a try.
I have 3 warts that I've not yet treated to the point of dissappearance  with acetecylic acid, duct tape, or clear nail polish (all these work by oxygen stavation of the wart. you treat them, they go away, you stop treatment too early, they come back) that I will be using topical treatment on them with daily 1-2 tbsp CS ingestion as well to test effectiveness.

I'll post any results (positive or negative) of the trials to provide more evidence either way.

Thank all who have contributed to this post as you've helped me learn of the "best practices" (PPM, etc.) for CS production.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 21, 2009, 08:48:16 PM
@ exxcomm0n

 I personally couldn't recommend using the ebay .999 silver. I feel that for the tiny extra cost(if any at all) and availability I would go for the .9999 quality. Whereas the .99999 is quite a lot more expensive and less available(OK for you rich guys though)
 
 .999 silver is 99.90 %     or 3  9s silver
.9999 silver is 99.99 %    or 4 9s silver
.99999 silver is 99.999 % or 5 9s silver

Hope I got those right, lol !

99.99 silver maple leafs are practically the same price as a 99.90 silver bars so may as well grab the next higher grade here I would say. Besides its content, weight and purity are guaranteed by the Canadian Gov't.

Don't let these sometimes confusing details and debates by the veteran silver water makers discourage you any. It is well worth your while obtaining some quality colloidal silver water by whatever means. You won't have any regrets!

best regards,



Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on June 21, 2009, 09:43:20 PM
@ zen

Though it's not easy to find definitive silver content grading criteria, I have found references to the grading system you show (.999 actually = 99.9%) and find I was confused about .999 referring to the finess of the remaing 1% percentage scale, rather than a decimal scale.

Thank you for pointing that out!

EDIT:
I checked out the ampex link you furnished that has better prices than the mint.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 22, 2009, 05:51:59 PM
What do you think of just using the 99.99% Canadian coins as the electrodes themselves?  Would that work hooking them up to the aligator clips and having them sit in the water instead of trying to cut them down or something?  I realize that I would have to make sure that only the coins themselves are in the water, not the clips.  What does everyone think?????  I thought that we here in America also have some 99.99% pure silver coins. 

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: gadgetmall on June 22, 2009, 05:56:21 PM
@ zen

Though it's not easy to find definitive silver content grading criteria, I have found references to the grading system you show (.999 actually = 99.9%) and find I was confused about .999 referring to the finess of the remaing 1% percentage scale, rather than a decimal scale.

Thank you for pointing that out!

EDIT:
I checked out the ampex link you furnished that has better prices than the mint.

Thanks!
When your talking about making a molecule suspension of Silver 1000th of a percent matters . It could contain LEAD TIN NICKLE CADMIUM Chromium  and usually does and all are Very harmful if ingested at the atomic level .they will bond with your atoms and never go away . DO NOT US ANYTHING LESS THAN 99.999 i use  99.9999 medical silver .
Also the Medical silver last forever . if you use them with low voltage dc (24-36VDC) I mentioned i have 4 9 volts in series . some where in my head that didnt add up to 24 volts . there is an led in series with it and the volts are between 28 - 24 . . PPM meters are less than 20 us .

gadget .
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 22, 2009, 06:04:31 PM
@ Gadget,  where to get the 99.9999% medical silver?

Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 22, 2009, 08:30:20 PM
@ Mark69

Oh my goodness! this debate about 1/thousands or even less of a percentage of pure silver is getting a bit much me thinks.
 I believe if you can afford it then get the best grade possible, why not? I thought that was 5  9s silver and now folks are talking about 6  9s silver which I never heard of.  :o

 I really believe 4  9s silver (99.99 %) is quite safe enough to use since so many millions of people have for years already. Also the 4  9s represent a very fair $ value and do not cost anymore than the 3  9s silver (99.90)  I can see no reason then to actually chose to use 99.90 silver.

 Believe me if you are supplying family and friends with silver water, the silver electrodes most definitely will eventually disappear  and so then certainly do require replacing from time to time. I have replaced several over the years while producing on average 10 ppm solutions.
 Ingesting an atom or two of chromium or what have you will not likely kill you since we suck in more noxious things all day long from smog, eating bad food and what not. Our bodies are able to handle small amounts of nasty stuff and can get rid of it. That's why they list daily tolerance levels of substances before something becomes toxic. Chromium for example is actually ingested on purpose as a mineral supplement and can be bought at any health food store. But OK, so let's not purposely ingest any lead. ;)

Go with the 99.99% as a minimum and you'll be fine and a higher grade if you can afford it.

Sure, some people do just dangle the actual coins in the water. You can also bash them into a desired  shape with a hammer. Yes, and please do keep out of the solution the nickel plated alligator clips!

best regards,
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 22, 2009, 08:35:49 PM
Hi All

I think we're getting into the realm of conflict of information here, when I bought my CS generator it came with One Pair .9999 (99.99%) Pure Silver Wires 2 Silver Rods .9999 pure ~6" length and as I stated it's been in use for years without any noticeable wear on the rods....

If you want to get picky about the purity of the silver then it might also be crucial to use only extra pure water as there is also information out there that points to the purity of the water being an even greater factor of impurities....

Purity of Silver


    By Peter Lindemann
    http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csarticle12.shtml

    (This article was taken from Peter Lindeman's essay, Colloidal Silver: A Closer Look. )

    The quality of your finished product depends entirely on the purity of the water you start with and the purity of the silver you start with. Most of the current literature suggests that only 99.9999% pure silver can be used. Most home brew systems use 99.9% pure silver. So, what is the difference? To find out, I contacted Academy Metals, a company in Albuquerque, New Mexico, that produces commercial silver. The total allowable impurities in 99.9% (.999 fine) silver is 1000 ppm or 1 part in 1000. These impurities and their maximums are 1) Copper, 800 ppm, 2) Lead, 250 ppm, 3) Iron, 200 ppm, and 4) Bismuth, 10 ppm. This product is readily available in wire form and costs about $3.00 above the market (spot) price of silver. When this product is used to make electro-colloidal silver at a concentration of 5 ppm, the total impurities from the silver drop to 4 ppb (parts per billion) copper, 1.25 ppb lead, 1 ppb iron, .05 ppb bismuth.

    With all allowable impurities at these low levels, there is a reasonable argument for not being concerned. Still, sometimes small things make a big difference. 99.99% silver (.9999 fine) has total allowable impurities of 100 ppm of the same metals in the same ratios, and costs (in wire form) between $50-$90 above the spot price of silver. 99.999% silver (.99999 fine) has total allowable impurities of 10 ppm, and in wire form costs about $250 above the spot price. 99.9999% silver, in wire form, costs more than gold and is very difficult to find commercially.

    In one sample of 10 ppm colloidal silver we sent out for total analysis (made with 99.9% silver electrodes), the primary impurities found were: 1) Sodium, 470 ppb, 2) Calcium, 260 ppb, 3) Manganese, 70 ppb, 4) Potassium, 50 ppb, and 5) Magnesium, 24 ppb. Since none of these impurities could have come from the silver, it suggests that the purity of the water should be of greater concern to the person making their own colloidal silver, than spending extra money on purer silver.


In my case, I use the CS generator at the 1mA constant current and One Pair .9999 (99.99%) Pure Silver Wires and the purest distilled water I could find with no salts or additives and have been using it for several years without side effects.

If for some reason my case changes I'll be the first to let you all know but I think that because of all the conflicting information I'll stick with what I know and forget about being too picky or too scared to continue using it :)

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 22, 2009, 11:32:53 PM
@ All

I found a couple more interesting recent articles on the Educate yourself site that might be of interest....

The Colloidal Silver versus Ionic Silver 'Controversy'
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/colloidalversusionicsilvercontroversy19may09.shtml

Why is Colloidal Silver Made with Your Generator More Yellow Than Store Bought CS?
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/cscolorfromhealthfoodstores17may09.shtml

The Deluxe Colloidal Silver Generator 
http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csgendesc.shtml

This is from another site regarding "Silver Wire Purity"
http://www.toolsforhealing.com/Products/SOTA/Articles/SilverWirePurity.html

Hopefully these don't confuse more than they educate but there it is :)

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on June 23, 2009, 03:54:54 AM
@ Goat

Excellent links that seem to support everything zen has said.

In regards to your remarks about water purity vs. 0.0999... or 0.009999....etc. contamination I'd have to say I agree. I'd be much more interested in an assay of a distilled water product I use or buy.
My thought is to furnish my own distilled water from a dehumidifier or a/c cooling unit because of 3 factors:

1.) Cost (I'm paying for it already and the converted irritant [now useful by-product] usually goes down the drain)
2.) Convenience (It's made where you use it)
3.) Purity (It's hard to get purer than atmospheric humidity for absence of heavier element and pollutant content.)

For further purity (to kill biological or organics in the condensate or remove trace elements from the copper or aluminum heat exchanger the humidity condensed on, probably in PPB range) a secondary laboratory type higher temperature distillation using glass and rubber could be done.

PPM of contaminants in drinking water came to my attention when I brewed beer for a living and had to know what was in the water (in the USA you can get a county water assay for free once a year of a sample you provide).
Other further study taught me how (im)pure distilled water can be if its original contaminants have a boiling point less than or equal to water (like alcohol, benzene, etc.), so the distilled water end product all depends on the source water and how it was distilled.
 
While gadget does have a point about what can lurk in the content of that remaining 0.009999999_% , I'll worry about the water used more.

@ zen

Sorry about the silver grading nomenclature confusion. I should have realized it was the same type of rating as computer uptime. ;)
Thanks for the clarification and the bare minimum suggested generation electrode requirements (silver purity grade 99.9% or .999).

I'm thinking about using the Maple Leafs for electrode stock since 99.99% seems to be the best quality/price balance, and melting them to pour into long, flat, smooth rod ingots formed from plaster of paris so I can keep electrical delivery wires or alligator clips far from the water and make electrode cleaning easy, but working with a graphite crucible while doing that is going to be an interesting time.

I'm trying to get a few (local) folks together that are interested to combine funds and purchase a tube of 25 pcs. to bring down the cost for everyone.

Thanks for the info gents!
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: ATT on June 23, 2009, 09:20:33 AM
For further purity (to kill biological or organics in the condensate or remove trace elements from the copper or aluminum heat exchanger the humidity condensed on, probably in PPB range) a secondary laboratory type higher temperature distillation using glass and rubber could be done.

Quite so - when using water extracted from evap-coil condensate, whatever is in the air is in the water.

The commercial dehydrators that are expressly made for generating drinking water all seem to have fairly elaborate filtering systems: microbiotic, activated charcoal, ultraviolet, etc. (often multiple filtration).

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/05/clean-water-appears-out-of-thin-air-with-ecoloblue.php
http://www.air2water.net/residential_products_countertop.html
http://www.americanairandwater.com/

.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 23, 2009, 04:15:44 PM
@ all,

 I am just trying to get all the facts as possible before buying the silver.  The part that gadget (or goat) said about the .01 % being bad stuff really made me think, as of course .001 is 10 times better then .01  Sorry if it sounds ridiculous, but we only get one body and I want to make sure I don't harm when I am trying to do good.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: rMuD on June 23, 2009, 08:58:25 PM
@ Goat

My thought is to furnish my own distilled water from a dehumidifier or a/c cooling unit because of 3 factors:


I would reconsider using your A/C,  heat and water is a breeding ground things like legionnaires disease, etc..
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on June 24, 2009, 03:11:43 AM
@ rMud

I'm going to be doing the high temp distill (212F/100C+) of the condensate for organics and biologicals since they can form in condensate collected at room temp and exposed to air.
(Although, the thought of oxygenating the condensate w/ ozone during collection w/ an aquarium bubbler to decrease the chances of that is something that came to mind today. Ozone removal SHOULD happen during high temp distill as it's a well known effect that distilling removes a lot of oxygen from the water. This is something I still have to look into completely so this has no basis in fact.)

The 1st batch of CS will be for topical application and testing. Some moldy food, an inoculation hood, and time will tell if CS is as effective as reported on bacterium.

If so, the worry of organic contamination is greatly decreased as that's the entire reason we're talking about using/making CS.
It kills organic contaminants/diseases.

In that way CS is a lot like radiation treatment for cancer in that it kills EVERYTHING organic (of viral and bacterium sizes) that is treated with it.
But not all the bacteria inside you is bad.

Some of the sites talking about internal CS usage say that it kills ALL flora in the digestive tract and that CS use should be accompanied w/ a daily regimen of yogurt or dietary supplements to repopulate the "good" bacteria in the digestive tract. "Good" bacteria assist w/ things like complete processing of vegetative food types in digestion.

Maybe CS use should be a "right before bedtime" habit combined with a yogurt breakfast the next day?
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: rMuD on June 24, 2009, 04:39:14 AM
@ rMud

Maybe CS use should be a "right before bedtime" habit combined with a yogurt breakfast the next day?

I think your going a bit overboard here, testing it would be cool.  I have taken in weekly for years and maybe eaten 1 thing of yogart in 15 years.  It is by far not a instant thing, if you feel your getting sick you take it, and you will be over your cold much faster.. but it's not going to instantly or even 1-2 days clear it up.  It's a passive element, not nanites seeking single cell organisms and destroying them.

if your worried about good bacteria dying, take it anally, you colon will absorb it 20-40x faster?  (I only heard that drinking beer anally is absorbed quicker from the show Manswers)

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 24, 2009, 05:37:19 AM


Don't be too concerned about killing off the good bacteria inside of our body systems.
Colloidal Silver just kills the nasty guys, the anaerobic bacteria while it doesn't effect the good guys which are aerobic.  :)
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 24, 2009, 06:52:53 AM
@ all,

 I am just trying to get all the facts as possible before buying the silver.  The part that gadget (or goat) said about the .01 % being bad stuff really made me think, as of course .001 is 10 times better then .01  Sorry if it sounds ridiculous, but we only get one body and I want to make sure I don't harm when I am trying to do good.

Mark

Hi Mark69 & All

zenmountain posted a supplier link to 99.999% Pure Silver Wire back at post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7610.msg187256#msg187256

Please read or reread  the links I posted earlier about the quality of silver wire and water purity in making CS and also the warning about getting an assay of the quality of the silver you're purchasing.  I based my purchase decision on a supplier that requires this assay from it's supplier in order to maintain quality.

But please take your time and don't rush if you don't feel comfortable about it, it's quite normal, 20 years ago when I first seen colloidal silver (CS) I was weary.  Back then I didn't have enough information about it and I wasn't on the internet.

Now we have the internet to share information but some of it might be good and some maybe misleading or outright confusing/false/baseless etc., so you have to balance the good and bad information versus the authors of the material you're reading and their credentials and research along with prior findings by scientists, some going back to earlier dates like early 1900's!  But most of all the public reporting on it's effects whether good or bad.

The way I look at things is that you can't always trust what people tell you, I know it's kind of negative thinking but what I'm trying to say is that you always go through stages of reason after hearing something before making a decision, doing research on your own before agreeing or disagreeing with something you heard of and that is your prerogative and quite admirable, at least your asking questions in order to educate yourself, congratulations! 

In the end, if you want 99.999% silver wire then go ahead and order it from a supplier who has it but if it doesn't come with an assay then you would have to get a sample of the silver wire tested at a laboratory to determine it's contents.

If you or anyone comes up with a connection to a 99.999% silver wire supplier and a guarantied assay of quality I would be willing to upgrade my silver rods but I'm not really concerned with the ones I have now.

Sorry for the rant and hope this answers your question about 99.999% silver wire :)

Regards,
Paul


Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 24, 2009, 07:16:53 AM
In addition to my post earlier at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7610.msg187447#msg187447 I found the original article by Peter A. Lindemann at http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

I found the section on "The Yellow Color" interesting and will have to get a proper flashlight to see if my CS batches are yellow under the right light even though they appear clear in normal light....Hmmmm ???
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Goat on June 24, 2009, 07:26:57 AM
@ All

The more I think of this subject the more I think we should have a separate thread maybe titled "Colloidal Silver Truth and Fallacies" or something like that with the best available known proof to prove or disprove the information we find along the way.

What do you all think about this idea?

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on June 24, 2009, 11:57:48 AM
The more I think of this subject the more I think we should have a separate thread maybe titled "Colloidal Silver Truth and Fallacies" or something like that with the best available known proof to prove or disprove the information we find along the way.
What do you all think about this idea?
<snip>

Great idea!
I think it would be even better if those interested in making CS as a health supplement post their experiences and production methodologies to the thread and establish a non-biased source of info for others curious about CS to study. Maybe name it "CS experimentation, replication, and results"?

Since this is such a relatively inexpensive process (aerated silver electrolysis) those who are doing it anyway could set up a battery of tests using the same distilled water type/brand and electrical delivery voltage/amperage in a production run. Then use the same testing tools to independently verify characteristics and concentrations made.

This could separate a lot of fact from fiction in the information available on the web.

One of the 1st tests I thought of doing myself was to brew up some agar to fill petri dishes (you can make them by using a pretty cheap glass craft making tool to cut the bottoms off soda/beer/wine bottles. Reusable and easily capped with a clear plastic cling wrap), use a bit of saliva (reportedly 300-600+ bacteria types) to start the cultures so they all have the same range of bacteria, and after they are fully cultured spray them with CS samples drawn off every hour from a production run to get a crude idea of the effectiveness of different concentrations.

I think your going a bit overboard here, testing it would be cool.  I have taken in weekly for years and maybe eaten 1 thing of yogart in 15 years.  It is by far not a instant thing, if you feel your getting sick you take it, and you will be over your cold much faster.. but it's not going to instantly or even 1-2 days clear it up.  It's a passive element, not nanites seeking single cell organisms and destroying them.

I think it would be better to use the lowest effective daily dosage to keep a constant systemic amount in your body.
I would prefer to skip the "feel you're getting sick" part of your advice above, if possible.

if your worried about good bacteria dying, take it anally, you colon will absorb it 20-40x faster?  (I only heard that drinking beer anally is absorbed quicker from the show Manswers)

Yup, that's a fact medical professionals are still trying to use to get patients to take anal suppositories.
I think I'll try pure good/bad bacteria cultures control testing to find out if it's an issue before I accept delivery via the "Hershey highway" as a viable method.
In fact, I'll stick with the yogurt! I like it anyway. ;)

Don't be too concerned about killing off the good bacteria inside of our body systems.
Colloidal Silver just kills the nasty guys, the anaerobic bacteria while it doesn't effect the good guys which are aerobic.  :)

I'd like to (dis)prove this for myself since the North Texas University/Brigham Young studies on Staph bacteria don't address it. I think I'd like to try the culture idea above to test the idea if I can find an easy way to get a pure sample of an anaerobic and an aerobic culture and treat them with the different dosages of CS to compare effects.

Good ideas/questions/observations though gents!
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 24, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
anaerobic versus aerobic bacteria and silver use

Here is a basic little blurb from somewhere on the net about this issue-

Certain bacteria are essential to healthy body function, such as acidophilus. Several researchers claim colloidal silver only attacks the unfriendly pathogens and will not harm the friendly. But one must wonder then how it can possibly differentiate. One explanation is that the friendly bacteria are aerobic, while unfriendly bacteria are anaerobic. Also, it is said that the silver does not attack bacteria directly, but rather decomposes certain enzymes the anaerobic bacteria, viruses, yeast, and molds require. The silver acts as a catalyst and is not consumed in the process. It is probable that the reason the bacteria cannot develop a resistance to silver, as they do to antibiotics, is because silver does not attack and kill them directly, but rather destroys the enzymes they depend on.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 27, 2009, 06:53:49 AM

Hi all-

Here's an important quote referring to colloidal silver.

"To date, there are no potentially pathogenic bacteria tested
that this colloidal silver product has not killed":   
Dr R Leavitt, Professor of Molecular Biology & Microbiology,
Brigham Young University.




Here is a small youtube video about how it is that silver water kills harmful bacteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm3b8Mb4x_w&feature=PlayList&p=8FCC48812CCF03C3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

and onother demonstrating how it kills viruses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb1V2m_XJg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.advancedsilversolution.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

regards,
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 29, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
Hi all-

Just for clarification here, my minimum grade for silver is 99.99 % I wouldn't bother at all with anything less on account of the price, quality and availability.

Now on another matter, there is considerable misunderstandings about whether a colloidal silver water should be clear or yellow in color or possibly even some other colors. I'd like to say here that yellow colored batches have been used for years by many thousands of people who have by and large benefited from such use. However there are some that think yellow colored CS is absolutely essential when in reality this couldn't be further from the truth.
 Yellow color means that there are particles in the solution big enough to reflect light. In making CS solution we are striving to make the smallest particles possible between .001 and .005 microns and even less. It's a well established fact nowadays that there are silver waters on the market that are extremely high in ppm and still remains absolutely clear and their effectiveness as a medicine is not in question.
 There is a lot of info available on the internet these days about this subject. Here is a small bit from the folks over at silvergen.


“If the colloidal silver is properly made it will be crystal clear.  This is because the particles are too small to reflect any light.  If it shows any color, the particles are too large.  The first color seen is yellow.  As the particle size increases other colors such as red, green, blue, brown or black may be seen.  Any color seen will indicate CS that is not very good.


 If the particles are as small as can be made and also colloidal, the water will be clear and will also show the Tyndall effect.  If they are larger, the water color will shift toward yellow because of agglomeration.  Still larger particles appear red; then green and the blue ones are the largest.   The proper color for colloidal silver water is clear.  If it is clear and has a weak Tyndall effect, the particle size is as small as can be made.  

 The bottom line is this: Make sure your CS is clear, not yellow colored  and you will be getting the largest amount of individual silver particles per unit measure of water.  As an example, 1 milligram of silver dropped into 1 liter of water is equal to 1 part per million by definition.  If you could turn that 1 milligram into 1 million individual silver particles and disperse it in the water, the PPM is still 1.   However you now have many more individual pieces of silver in the water to attack bacteria and viruses.  If you could divide that 1 milligram of silver into so many pieces they barely reflected any light, then you would have the optimum amount of silver per unit measure of water.  Typically those particles are about .001 to .005 microns in diameter.  A micron is one millionth of a meter (or 26 millionths of an inch) so .001 microns is about 1/1000 of 1/1,000,000 of a meter.  Pretty small particles indeed.   If particle size increases beyond .001-.005 microns , the particles will begin to reflect light and the first color seen will be yellow.  That is called agglomeration.”




 
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on June 29, 2009, 10:10:16 PM
@ Goat and Zen,

Thanks for the latest info, my questions have been answered.  Exxcomm, would like to hear about your expiriments too.  I will be trying this in the  future, as soon as I get the silver wire. 

Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on June 30, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
Hi all-

 So just what kinds of ailments can colloidal silver water help one with anyways? Great question and this below is an old list from way back. Just wanted to demonstrate how long this wonderful material silver has been recognized and used by lay people and medical professionals alike to help combat various illnesses.


The following is a list of ailments and medical conditions for which silver colloids
were applicable prior to 1938. It is drawn from the work of Dr. Peter L. Reynolds, Ph.D.,
sub-titled "the safe silver". Certified Nutritionist Zane Baranowski published a similar list in
"The Natural Antibiotic Alternative."


Acne

Adenovirus

Asper Gillus Niger

Athletes Foot/Jock Itch

Anthrax Bacilli…

Appendicitis

Axillae and Blind Boils of the Neck

Bacillus Typhus's -Typhoid Fever

B. Coli

B. Coli Communis

B. Dysenteria

B. Pyocaneus

B. Tuberculosis

Bacillary Dysentery

Biological weapons

Bladder Irritation

Blepharitis

Boils

Bovine Rota Virus

Bromidrosis in Axillae

Bromidrosis in Feet

Bronchitis

Burns and Wounds of the Cornea

Bladder Infection

Candida Albicans-Yeast infection

Chronic Cystitis

Chronic Eczema of Anterior Nares

Chronic Eczema of Metus of Ear

Colitis

Conjunctivitis-Pink Eye

Corneal; Infection, Ulcers

Cystitis

Dacryocystitis

Dandruff

Dental; Abscess/Infection, Caries -Cavities

Dermatitis suggestive of Toxaemia

Diarrhoea

Diphtheria

Dysentery- Diarrhea

Ear Affections

E. Coli- Food Poisoning

Endamoeba Histolytica-Cysts

Enlarged Prostate -BPH, Prostatitis

Epididymitis

Erysipelas

Escherichia Coli

Eustachian Tubes (potency restored)

Fever

Follicular Tonsillitis

Furunculosis

Gonococcus

Gonorrhe

Gonorrhoeal Conjunctivitis

Gonorrhoeal Opthalimia

Gonorrhoeal Prostatic Gleet

Haemorrhoids

Hepatitis -B, C

Herpetic Whitlow- Herpes Simplex 1, cold sores

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Impetigo

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Infected Ulcers of the Cornea

Inflammatory Rheumatism

Infection

Influenze- Flu -including Man-made

Interstitial Keratitis

Intestinal troubles

Kaposies' Sarcoma

Legionella Pneumophila

Lesion Healing

Leucorrhoea-Vaginal Yeast

Menier's Symptoms

Meningitis

Nasopharyngeal Catarrh (reduced)

Oedematous enlargement of Turbinates without True Hyperplasia

Offensive Discharge of Chronic Suppuration in Otitis Media

Ophthalmic practices

Osteomalacia

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Pneumococci

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Septicaemia

Shingles

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Spore-Forming Bacteria

Spring Catarrh

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Staphyloclysin (inhibits)

Staphylococcus Aurous

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Streptococci

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Strep-Virus

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Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on July 09, 2009, 03:22:21 PM
Hello guys,

Just seeing on anyone's progress.  Exxcomm, did you make your silver electrodes yet?  I was looking at the site, AtlasNova, which sells the silver rods.  About $25 shipped for 10 gauge 2 wires that are 6" in length each.  They have a purity rating of 99.997% and they give there certificate of analysis which you can see here:   http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire610.htm

I would like some feedback from you guys on these rods and if you would use them.

Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on July 09, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
@ Mark69

Sorry. Times and budget are a bit tight these days, but I'll be getting some AtlasNova 10 gauge 1 oz. wire ($38 on ebay w/ $3 shipping) next week to save time and effort forging my own wire or flat electrodes.

The assay report and easily cleanable form has me sold on the extra expense (almost double present market value...umm...make that triple??).
Well, I'll have to see if his ebay auctions and website reflect this (site price $34 now).

Stay tuned for results, but don't expect them for a couple of weeks yet as this trial will take some time.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: amigo on July 10, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Hello guys,

Just seeing on anyone's progress.  Exxcomm, did you make your silver electrodes yet?  I was looking at the site, AtlasNova, which sells the silver rods.  About $25 shipped for 10 gauge 2 wires that are 6" in length each.  They have a purity rating of 99.997% and they give there certificate of analysis which you can see here:   http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire610.htm

I would like some feedback from you guys on these rods and if you would use them.

Thanks,
Mark

I bought electrodes from AtlasNova in the past, and recently, and I use them all the time for making my own CS. They are pretty good and the 10 AWG is probably the best size to get giving a larger surface than the 12 or 14 AWG that others sell. Besides, 10 AWG will probably last you a long time in normal daily use.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on July 10, 2009, 04:52:19 AM
@ Ex and Amigo,

Thanks for the update, I think I will be going with them as well.  I take it the price listed is old then if you are quoting a higher price.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 10, 2009, 05:06:15 AM
Listen to this, take some 'Eye' Stem Cells and mix them with the proper Ph Salve so they don't die then rub the Salve onto your eyes, the Stem Cells will regenerate your eyes so that you can see again.

has this been done, no, not yet. but maybe soon, life is in the blood.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: zenmountain on July 24, 2009, 05:34:18 AM
Hi all-

Just thought I'd throw in some more info here. I copied this list off of the net someplace. I agree with most of it. Something to think about when evaluating a colloidal silver water product.


EVALUATING COLLOIDAL SILVER PRODUCTS

The quality of a colloidal silver product can be determined by
following the items outlined on this page. All of these items are
important in choosing a high quality product. They include: the
manufacturing process, purity, size of the silver particles,
concentration (ppm, that is, parts per million), absence of chemical
additives/chemical stabilizers and food coloring, pH, stability (shelf
life) of the product, and efficacy. The product you purchase should
meet the following criteria:

1. Manufacturing Process: It should be manufactured by the
electro-colloidal process, meaning that ultra-fine particles of silver
are suspended in pure water by an electrical charge placed on the
silver. This process is done without the use of chemical solvents or
chemical stabilizers.

2. Purity: High quality colloidal silver consists of pure water and
99.999% pharmaceutical grade silver. Manufacturers are required to
conduct microbiology testing to guarantee that the product is free of
contamination.

3. Particle Size: To insure proper absorption and assimilation, the
particles of silver should be less than one (1) micron in diameter.

4. Concentration: For use on a regular basis the concentration should
be between 5 and 20 ppm of silver. Highly concentrated colloidal
silver products may be a health risk if taken internally on a regular
basis and should only be used under a medical doctor�s supervision.

5. Additives: Colloidal silver should not contain any silver proteins,
chemical stabilizers like E.D.T.A., P.V.P., carbopol resin, or any
other chemical additive.

6. Color: The rule of thumb in colloidal chemistry is the smaller the
silver particle size the lighter the color. Colloidal silver produced
by modern technology should be clear to light yellow in color. Avoid
products that are murky, brown, grey, black, or that contain yellow
food coloring. Golden yellow solutions are indicative of products
containing a larger particle size, silver protein, or stabilizers,
similar to the type of colloidal silver that was produced in the early
1900s.

7. PH: The pH should be neutral (alkaline). Low pH (acidic) products
can indicate the use of chemicals. It can also be an indication that
the silver particles are �falling out� of solution.

8. Shelf Life: A quality colloidal silver product should have a
guaranteed shelf life of more than one year. The solution should be
free of any sediment or particles of silver floating in the liquid or
settled on the bottom of the bottle. High quality colloidal silver can
be bottled in plastic or glass without any effect on the product.

9. Outdated Technology: Colloidal silver was commonly used in the
early 1900s prior to the advent of antibiotics. At that time
technology was not advanced enough to create colloidal silver without
the use of chemical or protein stabilizers. These stabilizers �block�
the charge on the silver particles and bind to the silver to help keep
it in suspension; however, it can cause the silver to be retained in
the body too long. With today�s advanced technology it is no longer
necessary to manufacture colloidal silver using chemical or protein
additives.

10. Concentrates: Concentrates of colloidal silver should not be
diluted. Colloidal silver should be used in the same concentration in
which it is formulated. When colloidal silver is manufactured
correctly, the electrical charge is passed through the water and
silver simultaneously. When colloidal silver concentrate is diluted by
water the disruption in the electrical charge can significantly
decrease the efficacy of the product.

11. Tyndall Effect: The Tyndall test is outdated. It was used decades
ago by chemists to determine if a colloidal silver product contained
any silver suspended in the solution. This method can still be used,
but it only works for products containing large silver particles. In
order to get a Tyndall effect the particles must be large enough to
refract light. The new ultra-fine colloidal silver products that
contain silver particles less than one micron in diameter will exhibit
very little, if any, Tyndall effect, therefore rendering this type of
test obsolete.

12. Distributors of colloidal silver should be issued a
certificate of analysis from the company from which they buy colloidal
silver. This analysis should specify purity, microbiology testing,
silver particle size, concentration (ppm), and use of chemical
stabilizers, pH, and color.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on August 02, 2009, 07:13:53 PM
Hi all,

Got my silver wire (1 oz. 10 gauge .9999 from atlas nova) and it was still a bit pricey, but did come with an assay sheet for 99.997% purity (although the assaying lab is not listed).
I picked up a 3.5-12V 600mA AC/DC variable transformer at Wally World (Wal***t) and made some CS using 9V with a couple of 2 minute bursts to 12V over a 45min. time period. and using a cheap LED laser pen verified the Tydall effect for suspended particles after 30 min. for a guess-timation of 3-10 PPM (clear, no yellow) and am applying it to a wart to see if topical application will remove it.
(NOT a controlled testing method! Just an fairly safe way to test effectiveness personally.)

The next step is to brew up some agar using malt extract and gelatin and fruit it with some common molds and bacteria to see if reports of it's effectiveness are true.

Sorry about the delay, but all tests in good time.
I figure it'll take about a week to get petri's together, brew/sterilize the agar, and inoculate the agar with "pure" strains of various bacteria.
Since I have a way to get some MRSA bacteria from current infected parties, I think I'll use that as the true test of effectiveness.

MRSA definition here:

http://www.prepareformrsa.com/index.php/mrsa/the-cause-of-the-mrsa-virus/

Excerpt from page:

"MRSA is a virus that has come from the staph infection virus known as “Staph Aurous” and can be a deadly disease for elderly people and people that are at a very young age. The reason that the MRSA virus has come out and caused much havoc across the world is because it is a mutating virus that can cause a flesh eating bacteria to appear on the body. MRSA has mutated to a strong virus that is wasn’t before, before if you were to come into contact with the MRSA virus you would not have to worry about it, simply take penicillin and you would get better. That was in the older days though, now MRSA is a virus that has been able to step over many of the antibiotics that were once served to help the losing of this virus."

I will make batches using varying generation times and use an eye dropper to apply a drop of each batch to fruited agar to test various CS PPM concentrations and gauge it's properties, and maybe even make up a page so the results can be viewed with a spreadsheet of concentrations used.

Stay tuned, test results will follow.

Here's to hoping it's not all bunk! ;)
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: amigo on August 02, 2009, 08:54:26 PM
exxcomm0n,

If you can get access to a TEM (Transmission Electron Microscope) that would be an ideal platform to actually detect the presence of Silver particles and determine their average size. Tyndall effect test is only good to ensure your particles are small enough (lack of or faint Tyndall effect) coupled with perhaps conductivity test (computed ppm).
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on August 03, 2009, 11:34:00 PM
@ Exx,

Waiting on your results.  I will be ordering my silver wire this week.  Did you get from Ebay ($25 plus shipping from Atlas) or did you call them directly?  I am wondering if the price is better if I call direct.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on August 04, 2009, 05:47:13 AM
@ amigo

Sorry man, I have no access to "golly gee whiz" tools like a T.E.M. and will probably have to do with approximation tools the like conductivity test (and believe me, I'd L_O_V_E to have "golly gee whiz" tools).

I mean it looks as if to be the perfect tool, but has some significant requirements e.g.

6) Transmission electron microscope

    * Magnification: A series of electrostatic and electromagnetic lenses act on an electron beam to produce up to 50 million times magnification
    * Depth of field: Very small.
    * Uses: Microbiology, pathology, crystallography
    * Advantages: Very high resolution.
    * Disadvantages: Requires extensive specimen preparation, including staining and sectioning with an ultramicrotome. Cannot observe the surface of objects.Very specialized equipment that requires a partial vacuum.

While these all might not be necessary for liquid specimen viewing, it's still a bit far out of my grasp of facility access at the moment.

I _MIGHT_ spring for a lab analysis (I think the going rate starts @ around $75 per sample and goes up from there) after trying a few runs using different time spans and voltages to see what my personal experiences will be and if any particular one seems to have anomalous properties not in the others.

I'll do a little wresearch (web research) to see if there are other viable alternatives to investigate particle size.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

@ Mark69

For the 1 troy ounce .9999 10 gauge wire it's $38+$3 ship (41) on eBay and $34+$4 ship ($38) at the site, so I bought from the site.
I don't know about other sizes/prices, but a quick search on the site and at eBay can answer if it's the same for them.
The one drawback the site has vs. eBay is that it is not PayPal enabled so it has to be credit card there.

My tests may be sporadic so I wouldn't wait around for me. You can test it yourself with some moldy bread.
In fact, that's probably what I'll start off with before I go to petris and pure strains as isolating bacteria can be a bit challenging and I want to know which CS batches are at least effective on the moldy bread.

There's lots of conflicting info out there on the good/bad of CS (yellow color, particle size effectiveness, optimal electrolysis method, ionic/colloidal, etc.) that I have to filter through again to see which ones make the most sense (I'm leaning towards the Brigham Young and Texas U studies since they would have the more precise testing methods).

I can see how this has good historical anecdotal testimony and see how/why it could be effective, but I still want to do a few tests of my own before exploring the benefits of internal use.

I'm attaching a published pdf I found on one of the CS sites (csfacts.com I think) of an ACTUAL BYU study using a base 32PPM solution and diluting it to varying strengths for a wide range of antibiotic resistant bacterial strains with and without antibiotics (I think...I'm still reading it).
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: amigo on August 05, 2009, 12:17:53 AM
exxcomm0n,

I did not mean you buy a TEM... I meant gain access to one ;)

Some universities do have TEMs and rent access to them on a hourly basis, as well as provide staff and expertise in using the equipment. I know a local univ. here does have a such facility I just never got around to making specimens and dedicating a few hundred dollars for the tests - there's always something better to do with that kind of money, you know. :D
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: TechStuf on August 05, 2009, 06:42:21 AM

Get yourself a SilverPuppy #2 with magnetic stir base....lab tested over 85% ionic output (.129nm)

http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/NewFiles/big/silverwell_PARTSIZEREP_BIG.gif

You won't look back.

silverpuppy.com

Peace,

TS
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Cherryman on August 05, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/us-government-to-spend-billions-on-toxic-injections-for-the-2009-h1n1-virus/ (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/us-government-to-spend-billions-on-toxic-injections-for-the-2009-h1n1-virus/)

Nasa uses CSW instead of Tamiflu  ;-)
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on August 05, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
I personally wish that more research efforts be directed to the role of selenium on argyria:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070220152747/www.silverprotects.com/argyria.html

I do not have enough resources to run a medical trial, but I have done some tests on myself. Up until last month, I had consumed quite a lot of colloidal silver.  My forehead began to change color. This color change might be caused mainly by excessive exposure to sun,  but I wouldn't rule out any possiblity that I might have picked up some negative side-effects of colloidal silver. Since then, I also consumed a few brazil nuts every day in a hope that the selenium in brazil would reverse the situation. To my surprise, I did experience a very noticeable change in my digestive system, and the color of my forehead became normal again in less than a week.

I don't know how to explain this experience in english. I wish that more trials could be run to confirm the findings of Dr. DM Portland.

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on August 06, 2009, 03:22:46 PM
@Blueplanet

What color did forehead turn?  If it was blue, I cant see how the sun would cause that and would have to lean towards the colloidal silver.  How much of it have you been consuming?  How strong is it too?

@Exx,

Thanks for the info.  If I understand the BYU study correctly, the silver water was effective against every one of the bacterias tested.  These things are hard to read.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on August 06, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
@Blueplanet

What color did forehead turn?  If it was blue, I cant see how the sun would cause that and would have to lean towards the colloidal silver.  How much of it have you been consuming?  How strong is it too?


Before I ate brazil nuts, the color of my forehead was very black.

I could not remember exactly how much and how strong the CS which I consumed. All I can say is A LOT. I don't think the amount and the potency are the real cause of the problems in this case.

I have to rely on CS, because I need to survive on well water and CS is unfortunately the only thing that can make the well water drinkable. The CS was made from distilled water, but the well water is just well water. You may assume that some silver salts might have been formed in the mixture of CS and the well water.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on August 06, 2009, 07:10:31 PM
@Blueplanet

Can't you boil your well water or set up a simple still to purify it at least for drinking?  I think if you ingested too much silver, it would make your skin blueish and that would be all over, not just your forehead, though I am no expert.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on August 07, 2009, 10:01:40 AM
I have done all this. I even use UV-C light to disinfect the well water.

As I said many times before, the problem does not lie in the CS concentration alone. The problem lies in the lack of selenium and vitamin E.

@Blueplanet

Can't you boil your well water or set up a simple still to purify it at least for drinking?  I think if you ingested too much silver, it would make your skin blueish and that would be all over, not just your forehead, though I am no expert.

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on August 16, 2009, 09:04:45 AM

Hello All,

I started this treatment 3 days ago as part of the Bob Beck Protocol, and I am starting to herx now. So I guess it is starting to work ok.

I had my doubts at first because nothing was felt while treating or any effects felt after treatment, but I think it takes a few days to kick in.

The Coloidal Silver I produce is clear no matter how long I "cook" it for. I use pure sterilized distilled water from my local pharmacy, (I live in the uk) and 99.99% 2mm diameter silver wire from Palmer Metals who specialise in distributing to the jewelery trade. I also use a constant current circuit using the LM344Z at 1mAh and 36 volts for a minimum of 4 hours a batch.

The Bob Beck Protocol uses the fact that micro currents in the blood cause the cells to have electro porosity and hence "open up" to allow the previously ingested Coloidal Silver to enter the cells. My condition is characterized by hidden bacteria in the cells, called cell wall deficient bacteria and it is this bacterias way of avoiding antibiotics etc.

So far, after a doubtful start, I am getting a reaction that indicates that these bacteria are indeed being targeted and that the treatment is working.

I will keep you posted.

Regards, O
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on August 16, 2009, 12:07:38 PM
I just found this amusing piece on the web. Please do not take it seriously or try this at home!

Quote:
You can prove it to yourself easily with this simple scientific experiment.

1. Go to a local subway station.
2. Proceed to lick every handle/seat/floor possible.
3. The next day when you are violently ill, on an empty stomach drink an 8 oz glass of colloidal silver 15 ppm.
4. When you feel better within hours of drinking it, write down how long it took to feel better.

Now for the double blind part, repeat the steps above.
This time DO NOT drink colloidal silver. Write down your recovery time.

Repeat this until you are convinced, or otherwise of it efficacy.

This works with food poisoning too, so instead of a subway post, go raid a dumpster for rotten food.


 :D
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on August 16, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
Dr. Roger Altman has tested CS in vivo with very good results.

The paper of Roger Altman study can be found here:

http://silver-colloids.com/Papers/AltmanStudy.PDF

This study is at least 10 years old but should be informative to all interested in CS as a "Second Immune System" for your body.

Regards, O
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: jacek on August 16, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Oroshay said:

"The Coloidal Silver I produce is clear no matter how long I "cook" it for. I use pure sterilized distilled water from my local pharmacy, (I live in the uk) and 99.99% 2mm diameter silver wire from Palmer Metals who specialise in distributing to the jewelery trade. I also use a constant current circuit using the LM344Z at 1mAh and 36 volts for a minimum of 4 hours a batch."

I have been using a similar method for about 18 months now and my colloids are always clear too. The process starts at about 35 V DC and then the current limiter circuit gradually drops the voltage to about 22 V DC at the end. Current is limited to about 800 micro Amperes. From beginning to end it takes about 5 to 6 hours for almost 1 gallon of distilled water. Wires polarity is auto-swapped. Someone (this thread?) mentioned they brewed their colloids during new moon so I tried that and it looks like the Tyndall back-scatter effect is barely visible (smaller particle size perhaps?) with respect to the previous times when I made my batches.
The metallic after-taste is still pretty strong.

Happy experimenting everyone  :)


Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: exxcomm0n on August 16, 2009, 10:10:22 PM
Hi all,

Present (money making) projects are keeping me from  doing the tests I described earlier (although the moldy bread is presently getting moldy), but that has not kept me from brewing up 3 batches of CS.

All batches use:

1.) Wal***t (already had it from HHO experimentation) distilled water
2.) 500mL (2 cup) pyrex mixing cup
3.) 3.5-12V @ 600mA multi-device wall adapter
4.) AtlasNova 99.99% 10 gauge wire

The first batch was electrolized for 2 hrs. and used 9V setting with small (under 5 min.) bursts of 12V to just when the Tyndall efect became visible, though I'm not sure of moon phase @ the time. It was stored in a brown glass container pills came in.

The second batch was done @ 12V for 3.5 hrs. with .5 hr. 9V at the end. A much stronger Tyndall effect was seen. It was stored in a brown PLASTIC bottle that used to have Hydrogen Peroxide in it.

The third batch was done at 9V for 12 hrs. with stirring every couple of hours. It is being stored in a glass cobalt blue bottle that used to hold Riesling wine (it was SUCH a trial to empty ;) ).

All batches are clear in color (no yellow).

The 1st batch I'm presently using as it seems a light enough concentration for daily use and does have a slight metallic taste. I take 1 tsp. or tbsp. per day w/ a 550mg American Ginseng capsule (Ginseng's effectiveness I can personally vouch for as I've been taking it for 5 years now on and off and when I take it DOES have "restorative" properties in my case ;) American ginseng is the best/most potent).

The second batch had a stronger taste that diminished over 3 days and now tastes only very slightly metallic. This seems to support the information that some (most) plastics do not allow CS to remain ionic, but moldy bread (and the more in depth agar culture tests) should tell if that's true.

The third batch has a very strong metallic taste that is experienced as more of an after taste and I'm saving for experimental trails later on.

I still do not have even approximate TDS measurements as I have yet to go get my digital tester, but wonder if any of you long time users out there have better, easier, and more accurate testing methods than TDS approximation via conductivity testing.

I do have a 30V/0.4A P/S lying around that I would like to use for generation, but it doesn't seem to generate any CS no mater how long it's left on. When I get the electrical tester I will see if it's faulty as it was just "laying around".

Thanks all for looking into this and I do appreciate the different methods used and any results information, even if anecdotal.

Hopefully next post will have some moldy bread results.

P.S. Digestive enzymes seem to be faring well in my system since the daily CS regimen was started.
That's all I have for now
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on August 25, 2009, 11:30:02 PM
Hello all,

I ordered my silver wire from atlas nova.  Also, found this site to make a stirring device, thought it was pretty cool.

http://www.stirstarters.com/instructions.html

I have most of the parts already so I am going to try and make one myself.  You can get them on ebay too.
Anyone have any results yet?

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on September 11, 2009, 01:56:02 AM
Has anyone seen the "blue guy" on the aol start up page.  Said he turned blue from drinking the colloidal silver.  What do you think he has done wrong in making it?  Too big of particles?
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: TechStuf on September 11, 2009, 10:23:30 AM

http://www.ionicsilverworks.com/collodial-silver-blue-man.html


The man also admitted in a t.v. interview to using it to wash his face, which is why the rest of the man's body is much less affected.


TS
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on September 14, 2009, 11:54:15 AM


Colloidal Silver Replies on the Blue Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGyORfgxGs4

He basically used tap water to make his Colloidal Silver and added chemicals to it. He made silver chloride instead of colloidal silver. He then proceeded to drink gallons of it.

You must use pure distilled water with no additives and a very small (1mA) constant current to get a small particle size as possible. It is the small particles which will bind to the rouge cells and destroy them. Big particles will turn you blue... eventually, if you drink gallons of contaminated colloidal silver. It must be pure.

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on September 14, 2009, 05:02:18 PM
Evidence presented in the following two articles suggests that smaller is not necessarily better:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/38913/title/Nanosilver_disinfects_%E2%80%94_but_at_what_price%3F

http://news.uconn.edu/2009/February/rel09019.html

(PS. Sorry, I am not interested in this blue man anymore. I think he is wasting the internet bandwidth.)
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on September 15, 2009, 12:53:28 AM
Folks,

I have a question regarding the particle sizes of colloidal silver.

If silver particles become too small, it is logical to expect that they would get absorbed in the upper part of the digestive system. Then, what happens to the yeast cells (such as candida albicans) hiding in the colon?

Regards,
Blueplanet
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on October 06, 2009, 04:58:36 PM
Folks,

I have a question regarding the particle sizes of colloidal silver.

If silver particles become too small, it is logical to expect that they would get absorbed in the upper part of the digestive system. Then, what happens to the yeast cells (such as candida albicans) hiding in the colon?

Regards,
Blueplanet


That’s because the human body is better able to absorb and utilize smaller silver particles for health and nutritional purposes. And it is also better able to excrete the smaller particles after the body utilizes them, so potential silver buildup in the body is far less of a problem. In other words, smaller silver particles are not only better absorbed by the body, and work much better, they are also much safer to use than products containing overly large silver particles.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on October 07, 2009, 09:55:59 PM

That’s because the human body is better able to absorb and utilize smaller silver particles for health and nutritional purposes. And it is also better able to excrete the smaller particles after the body utilizes them, so potential silver buildup in the body is far less of a problem. In other words, smaller silver particles are not only better absorbed by the body, and work much better, they are also much safer to use than products containing overly large silver particles.

What about those harmful bacteria and yeast cells in the large intestine?

If my understanding is correct, the large intestine is the place where colloidal silver cannot penetrate when taken orally in normal dosage.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on October 07, 2009, 10:13:52 PM

Colloidal Silver Replies on the Blue Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGyORfgxGs4

He basically used tap water to make his Colloidal Silver and added chemicals to it. He made silver chloride instead of colloidal silver. He then proceeded to drink gallons of it.

You must use pure distilled water with no additives and a very small (1mA) constant current to get a small particle size as possible. It is the small particles which will bind to the rouge cells and destroy them. Big particles will turn you blue... eventually, if you drink gallons of contaminated colloidal silver. It must be pure.


Please check out the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVO-cTrEiCE

Dr. Bob Beck used tap water to prepare his colloidal silver.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on October 12, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
blueplanet = TROLL

Just posts to cause argument!
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on November 19, 2009, 08:20:41 PM
Been making my colloidal silver water for about 2 months now.  Have it down pretty good and it stays clear.  Been drinking about an ounce or two a day.  I definitely felt a little "different" since first taking it, having some more energy or something also just feel healthier.  I am taking that as my immune system not having to work as hard to destroy bad bacteria and viruses.

How is anyone else doing with theirs? Excomm?

Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on November 20, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
I make my own too and take a small glass full every night so does my wife. I have noticed that any colds etc are only lasting a day then they are gone. I will definitely continue the "treatment".

I let some brew for a whole 24hrs by accident, and now use it for general anti-bacteria duties in the kitchen instead of bleach on worktops and sink drain etc. It works fine, keeping smells down. I shall use the same brew for any cuts I get too.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: CompuTutor on November 22, 2009, 04:05:08 PM
ZenMountain,
and all others.

You might want to read these:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic.htm

http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm

http://www.silverfacts.com/ionic&colloidal.html

Hope this helps with perspective ...
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on November 23, 2009, 02:46:35 AM
Hi everyone gooday  ;D

it seems that this thread gives a good info to everyone, and they are already trying it,

no offense please

My concern is that sometimes bad effect occur after several years and as far as i know it is the kidney the last organ to screen everything we intake right? now my suggestion i think for those who are using this CSW for several years have to consult a kidney expert to really examine the condition of your organ, just for safety and advise ok. 

Remember: experiment is an experiment sometimes there are leaks effect that has to be work out ok.

what would be the effect of silver in the kidney, or other effect of the silver in the blood?,  sorry i don't know.  ;D

i guess or i think the basic safe rule is too much is not good maybe just moderate.  :)

Using it externally i think more better.

FRESH FRUIT JUICE IS STILL THE BEST FOR ME SURELY NO SIDE EFFECTS OK  ;D
VS METAL IN THE BODY
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Creativity on December 29, 2009, 03:18:56 PM
i do not use silver every day. I prefer to stay on the safe side, so if my immune system is functioning ok i m not messing with my body by supplying any unnecessarities.

Sport + sauna every week is more beneficial to me :) . When i have a soar throat i just spray silver 2 times per day. It helps way better than any other medicine for that purpose.

I think more beneficial is to keep a track on what is landing in ones shopping car. I do not buy anymore food that contains artificially added conservators,antioxidants,colorants etc. Now i don't remember when i was sick last time.

Drink green thee (gunpowder is way better than the shit they put into the thee bags) and add some garlic to ur diet and u won't need the silver.

stay healthy in 2010!
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Zorro on December 30, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
hi-

 Making colloidal silver water at home is not difficult. Making quality colloidal silver water is a bit trickier.
 Basically using 2 pure silver wires(electrodes) spaced apart about 4cm and placed into a pure water solution with 27 volt dc put to it will do the trick.
 Pure water being such a poor conductor of electricity it will take some time to get some current flowing so it takes awhile. Small positively charged silver ions will be created in this process along with actual colloids and held in suspension in the solution.
It has been demonstrated that  3-5 ppm(parts per million) of silver water is an effective medicine. I make mine at between 10-20ppm which I find to be very effective.
 More importantly to ppm is the particle size itself. It is essential to have only the smallest particles since they are the ones that will disable the bacterias etc. Large particles are not effective and is something you'd want to avoid creating.
 Good dc, current controlled, colloidal silver makers will produce particle sizes ranging from .001 to .005 microns.  There are products and systems available these days that offer even smaller particles yet and with very high ppm.

 As for your home made machine you would ideally want to limit the current so that you don't have a 'current runaway' effect as the conductivity of the solution increases. Too much current or left on for too long can create a real nasty batch of stuff with really large particles that you wouldn't want to ingest.
 
 A rough basic colloidal silver set up is better then no silver water machine at all however it is really worth the time, effort and money to ensure you make or buy a quality, safe and effective colloidal silver water product.

cheers,



5ppm is much better  than  10-20ppm...
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on January 29, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
Colloidal silver products have been banned in Europe.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on January 30, 2010, 12:55:37 PM
Colloidal silver products have been banned in Europe.

why banned, perhaps you know the reason.  :)
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Cherryman on January 30, 2010, 03:00:28 PM
why banned, perhaps you know the reason.  :)

Because it is cheap, it helps and you can make it yourself...  In other words: Big Pharma doesn't like it!

With the swine flu many people did not wanted to take a shot, instead they rather took their chances with silver water.

This they do not want next time!  They want you to use the pharma stuff.

So the Pharma lobby in Brussels did their job.. And now it is banned. 

I'm not saying it works, but is was (In the Netherlands) a supplement, not harmfull and free available.  So it is your own choise to take it. 

Because goverments don't like people choosing themsleves, they want you to follow blindley what they say! It's now forbidden.

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on January 30, 2010, 04:57:28 PM
why banned, perhaps you know the reason.  :)


They did not ban silver rods, 9-volt batteries and electric wires. I presume they are telling us to make our own colloidal silver.  Am I right?
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on January 31, 2010, 08:08:33 AM
Hi everyone good day  ;D

is this colloidal silver water, similar to alkaline water?

or how they differ?

@ all
 i want to share something. every morning i always gargle with pure fresh lemon without water as in fresh pure lemon then swallow it, a doctor says it can prevent cavities and kills bacteria, take it 30 minutes before breakfast. the doctor say its alkaline.

well, i allways feel good!

10 pcs of lemon everyday, gargle then swallow is good for lowering cholasterol, tryglicerides and makes the liver always in condition.and kills a lot of bacteria in the stomach.

The first reaction after drinking makes you feel bad but after an hour makes you feel in good condition.

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: gyulasun on January 31, 2010, 11:48:13 AM
Hi everyone good day  ;D

is this colloidal silver water, similar to alkaline water?

or how they differ?

@ all
 i want to share something. every morning i always gargle with pure fresh lemon without water as in fresh pure lemon then swallow it, a doctor says it can prevent cavities and kills bacteria, take it 30 minutes before breakfast. the doctor say its alkaline.

well, i allways feel good!

10 pcs of lemon everyday, gargle then swallow is good for lowering cholasterol, tryglicerides and makes the liver always in condition.and kills a lot of bacteria in the stomach.

The first reaction after drinking makes you feel bad but after an hour makes you feel in good condition.

Hi Tito,

While it sounds good to me, there can be one problem developing:
the lemon acid may attack your teeth and slowly decreases the calcium content or simply reduces the teeth surfaces natural resistance to decay.

I say this after one of my friends started drinking freshly made grape fruit juice each morning and after 4-5 months he had tooth decay. (Earlier he had never had any problem with his teeth for years.)

So it is a good act to ask several dentists' opinion. IT is possible that lemon acid is not so agressive to teeth than grape fuit acid, I do not know.

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: eastcoastwilly on January 31, 2010, 01:53:15 PM
If people are afraid that the acid from fresh lemon juice or apple cider vinegar might hurt their teeth they can rinse their mouths with water and  baking soda to neutralize the acid.

Will
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 01, 2010, 04:23:18 AM
Hi Tito,

While it sounds good to me, there can be one problem developing:
the lemon acid may attack your teeth and slowly decreases the calcium content or simply reduces the teeth surfaces natural resistance to decay.

I say this after one of my friends started drinking freshly made grape fruit juice each morning and after 4-5 months he had tooth decay. (Earlier he had never had any problem with his teeth for years.)

So it is a good act to ask several dentists' opinion. IT is possible that lemon acid is not so agressive to teeth than grape fuit acid, I do not know.

rgds, Gyula

hi gyula good day

according to the info i got for the first ten minutes the juice is not acid it is alkaline so the  effect will make everything in your mouth to go balance so they say that it can even cure ulcer.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on February 01, 2010, 07:56:57 AM
13 years ago, I was very sick because of some pollution in my work place. I tried lemon before, but it did not work.

I have also spent tons of money on the following remedies, but none of them worked.

1/ Hometherapy
2/ Herbal medicine
3/ Bach flower
4/ Hay's diet
5/ Chinese herbal medicine

Antibiotics worked for a very short while, but its effectiveness failed to last long.

I ate a lot of fruits, but it did not help very much.

I would stick to the old-fashioned age old formula ---I meant, silver, gold and Tesla's technologies.

I am sorry. I have to be honest.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on February 01, 2010, 08:24:15 AM
13 years ago, I was very sick because of some pollution in my . I tried lemon before, but it did not work.

I have also spent tons of money on the following remedies, but none of them worked.

1/ Hometherapy
2/
3/ Bach flower
4/ Hay's diet
5/

Antibiotics worked for a very short while, but its effectiveness failed to last long.

I ate a lot of fruits, but it did not help very much.

I would stick to the old-fashioned age old formula ---I meant, silver, gold and Tesla's technologies.

I am sorry. I have to be honest.

well, i don't exactly know why it didn't work for you, but there are many testimonial here in my vicinity and it works for them and me, it really makes me feels better, then i combined it with fruit diet and fasting and it really works best.  :)

i think it has a different reaction maybe for others but many has the same reaction.  :)

actually 1 week before i took lemon theraphy then i took a general checkup in my blood for cholasterol, tryglicerides, sgpt, etc, and after 1 week i took again a general checkup then everything is in normal.   
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on February 01, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
well, i don't exactly know why it didn't work for you, but there are many testimonial here in my vicinity and it works for them and me, it really makes me feels better, then i combined it with fruit diet and fasting and it really works best.  :)

i think it has a different reaction maybe for others but many has the same reaction.  :)

actually 1 week before i took lemon theraphy then i took a general checkup in my blood for cholasterol, tryglicerides, sgpt, etc, and after 1 week i took again a general checkup then everything is in normal.   

I also experimented fasting twice. First time, it worked quite well. Second time, it didn't.

But about one year later, I accidentally discovered a "miracle cure" for my illness and my colleague's illness in a university laboratory. At that time, my colleague suffered from very bad asthma, but she managed to get rid of it in one explosure.

I have no idea how to explain my experience. All I can say is: it is a good learning experience.




Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: amigo on February 02, 2010, 01:49:35 AM
But about one year later, I accidentally discovered a "miracle cure" for my illness and my colleague's illness in a university laboratory. At that time, my colleague suffered from very bad asthma, but she managed to get rid of it in one explosure.

Can you please elaborate on what you did exactly. I did ask you in the other thread but I guess you've forgotten.

I have a friend with asthma and I would like to help him out if I can...
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on February 02, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
Can you please elaborate on what you did exactly. I did ask you in the other thread but I guess you've forgotten.

I have a friend with asthma and I would like to help him out if I can...


I am sorry that I have missed your previous post. Lets make it clear. I don't think it is a good idea for any of us in the forum to recommend any treatment protocol to your friend, particularly if he or she is under proper medical supervision.

For my part, I do not mind to share my experience in an open forum. Basically, it was an accidental exposure to oxygen plasma. My colleague and I were supposed to wear safety googles and other protective clothing, but we didn't.  Since this "accident", my colleague was no longer asthmatic. And coincidently, my sickness had gone (for free).

I originally thought it was the electromagnetic radiation(s) that did the wonder for us. But I found out it wasn't. I got a similar comforting experience in another laboratory when the problematic radiations were totally filtered.

The first laboratory in which I worked was free of bacteria, ozone, or another problematic gases.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: amigo on February 03, 2010, 03:05:12 AM
So what was this oxygen plasma, how did it get produced, etc, do tell more please?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on February 03, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
So what was this oxygen plasma, how did it get produced, etc, do tell more please?

Thanks.

Oxygen plasma is a plasma that exists in an oxygen-filled medium. It is my understanding that the actual energy is not very much different from the high voltage plasma from a tesla coil. The one which i was exposed to in the first place was completely shielded in a glass jar.

There is no point to build one, because there exists a similar system for therapeutic purposes:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5915982_violet-wand-health-uses.html

Bear in mind that what works for one group of people does not necessarily work for the other. Plasma radiation is not an exception. For example, there is evidence that ionizing radiations such as UV light can do more harm than good for people overloaded with methylmercury.

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: amigo on February 04, 2010, 03:35:42 AM
Thanks. I guess it's important to determine any other factors that could contribute or affect one's condition before applying any therapy. Problem is we really do not have reliable ways of determining anything inside the body on a molecular scale, or even monitor cell processes.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on February 04, 2010, 11:55:31 AM
Thanks. I guess it's important to determine any other factors that could contribute or affect one's condition before applying any therapy. Problem is we really do not have reliable ways of determining anything inside the body on a molecular scale, or even monitor cell processes.


I agree with you. Given that your friend's condition is not urgent, it is a good idea to find out more before rushing into conclusions.

For some unknown reasons, many scientists and health professionals believe that asthma is a sign of mercury poisoning. I am not sure whether this piece of information would help you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/220366.stm
http://www.noamalgam.com/
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C586629.html

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on April 11, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
I started this CS treatment 8 months ago and I thought you would like to hear how I am getting on.

I am feeling well and strong having survived a winter on CS. The CS kept me and my wife free of colds and flu' all winter which helped us to stay on top of our illnesses. When all around us our freinds and fellow workers were going down with cold after cold we would feel slightly unwell for a day and would be well again the next day.

Niether of us has turned blue!

Certainly good stuff this Coloidal Silver.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: Mark69 on April 12, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
Oroshay, sounds great my friend.  I as well did not suffer any full strength flu or illnesses this past winter.  Started to feel a little ill and doubled up on the CS water and a day later I was back to normal self.  I have been taking for a while now too, no blue here either. 
Mark
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: raburgeson on June 09, 2011, 05:18:36 AM
There was a article on the net to use a car battery. Never hook to a car battery. The posts are lead.  Use a plug for the cigarette lighter instead and two caps charged in series to take of your about 27 to 30 volts. You might have to have the engine running and use charging voltage to get your voltage right. Watch the water you use. If the water or silver wire become discolored your source for distilled water is putting minerals back into the water. This colloidal system is good for checking water, if they put minerals in they might have included Fluoride. These minerals will poison your silver wire. The point of buying .9999+ wire is to keep other minerals out of your water. You don't want to plate those minerals to your positive wire. I recommend getting a tester and keep it between 15 and 20 ppm. Also you can use the tester to test an unknown water source, good water will read zero. Anything real close is acceptable. Listen to the man that has been making it for 6 years. Don't turn blue like the guy that doesn't listen to anybody. Check out the blue man hoax video. There are people on the net that have used colloidal silver for more than 15 years and they show no sign of discoloration.

Yes you caught me, I make the stuff too. When my oldest son and family moved in we had some trouble with mold in the bathroom from too many showers. I literally shot the walls with a paint gun to get rid of it. I got soaked doing it and did not turn blue. It was a Campbell Hausfeld general purpose spray gun # DH3800. On my back I have even used a cat dropper to inject silver water into my sinuses to clear them up. It worked fine but, when that nasty crap dies and drains you go though hell.

At the time I was wondering if humans can get white nose syndrome that's killing the bats. We don't hibernate and blow our noses. They are mammals too.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: raburgeson on June 10, 2011, 09:34:24 PM
Double post, I had to split this up. I have a box that has 3 rechargeable batteries in it. This is not the way to go. I also have a DC power supply. You get tired of tearing the box down to recharge the batteries. I don't make that much, there is only 2 of us using it. A pint every couple of days in a mason jar. Very rarely I can get 3 pints out of a charging session. Usually I only get two. You can see where that will wear the Phillips heads out on the case screws. If you get 12 gauge wire you will notice coax fittings do not except it well. I used a 15 amp receptacle with the push in locking holes in the back. It works for 14 gauge too. I drilled holes in the right place on the case and simply super glued it to the case. I used a drill large enough to allow a small screw driver to unlock the silver wire. The three terminals in series are simply screwed to the positive and negative sides of the receptacle. I can lock in 16 to 12 gauge wire. I prefer the DC power supply.

I bought a Frigidaire piece of crap air conditioner. It's the best bacteria farm I have ever seen. I spray colloidal silver into it often. I really need to replace that junker. This is my third year fighting with it.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: bolt on June 10, 2011, 10:59:32 PM
Use an old laptop charger everyone has one some where. They are all around 19v perfect voltage then stick a  1k resistor  in series.  Clamp the silver rods to a strip of terminal block with the series resistor one end then drop in to glass of pure water.

Silver is excellent for conditions that it needs to come in direct contact, skin problems, throat, mouth, ears, bad breath, sore gums, athletes foot, burns, colds, flu, and some stomach  bugs but not all.  Its pretty effective for chest infections using an inhaler or vaporiser. Its also a good kitchen and bathroom cleaner i use any spoiled batches for external cleaning use.

For powerful systemic body "cleaner" use Chlorine Dioxide MMS will deal with everything else silver can not reach and therefore not very effective. A few drops of MMS will clean out ALL your pipes LOL

I thought i add that for people with life long illness deemed "incurable" and only manageable by mainstream the person has to go thru several stages.

DETOX heavy metal chelation using betonite clays and zeolite

DIET changing to a green diet is essential for correcting life long problems especially in the short term is needs to be extreme till problem fixed then very slowly introduce other foods. Diet must be void of ALL animal products, no meat, cheese, eggs, milk, pies and pasties, no pizza, fries and other fast food products. If its not fresh plant food you cant eat it.

CLEANING use MMS, ozone therapy, beck blood cleaners, zappers and pulser to rid the body of long term parasites, infections, viruses and fungus.

PURGING  Drink only pure water like 5 stage reverse osmosis water and drink at least 4 pints a day of water only. Bottled water and city water is only just about potable just about passing government regulation  and certainly no where near good enough for sick people.

Minerals and Vitamins.  While everyone has their favourite herb and spicy formula they really are not very good converting a sick person back to full health but can only assist in staying healthy. However a bad diet can not be made good by ANYTHING other than a GOOD diet.

 There are a few exceptions. 95% of people are now severely iodine deficient.   Your body NEEDS iodine it can not function properly with out it.  I also suggest 1 or  2 grams of vit C per day (EXCEPT when taking MMS) and  5000 IU of Vit D3 (sunlight in a bottle).  You should also eat a teaspoon of KELP per day contains just about every mineral and vitamin on the planet in natural form. High dose mega vitamins and artificial minerals from your pharmacy are not very good at all and in many cases can do more harm then good.





Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: oroshay on August 20, 2011, 09:10:04 PM
Hello, just an update for you... (see my previous posts)

I have now been taking CS for about two years, and I must say it is the best medicine my wife and I have ever taken.

About a year ago now, we took the step of installing a Reverse Osmosis unit under the kitchen sink, for our pure water supply. We are both healthy and when a cold comes along it is gone the next day, and we have still not turned blue!

I have not bought any more silver rods since building it so it has cost me virtually nothing to produce CS for us. The silver rods seem to last a very long time.

Best regards, oroshay

Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: raburgeson on January 06, 2015, 05:15:03 AM
I had to water board myself again. We get the heaviest chemtrails in the country here. If there is a blue spot in the sky I can take a picture of them spraying it, matter of fact I have many on my camera right now. Anyway I have a cat (animal) medicine injector and when my sinuses get loaded up I tilt my head back over a pillow and inject about 3 CCs of colloidal silver in each nostril. If there is an infection present you will feel pain.

Personally when I do this I feel muscles in my forehead relax and then the rest of the body relaxes. I'm not sure what it does but, it does it well. I have to stay on my back head tilted back about 10 minutes to give it time to get all the way up into my sinuses. I have been drinking it 15 PPM for about 6 years, no bluing, feel great. I am due to buy more silver, it does last a long time but, not forever.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: ATOM1 on June 11, 2015, 07:10:50 PM
Hello

Very interesting INFO !

I am trying to understand why burns heal quickly with this magic water ? I understand that ALKALINE water at a PH 9 also stops a virus I tried it for 2 months and it shrank down a small wart on my eye lid to my amazement. The connection between negatively charged water negative ions and water that is changed by plants like green tea all affect the body in the same way.

An acid body say PH 6 is close to that of a growing baby whom consumes lots of sugars my confusion is why does a negative ion influence good cell growth on a burn ? Is it because the body may be an acid body ? This would show that different PH levels on both sides of reactive resistance in all organic matter can be influenced for a more advanced cellular growth stimulating say a larger plant or even fish.

Bacteria are important you need them for collagen growth as they produce the enzymes that help to build the collagen and brake down the amino acids into the right lengths as there are 5 types of collage the body needs to grow. C S water or the metal ions data show that different size metals work on different bacteria yet an overall change in PH will slow or stop a virus growing. When I started to add VC at 2000 mg my wart began to grow much faster. Most warts are a virus of some kind. 

The wider application of acid and alkaline with silver ions is very interesting yet the full effects on the human body will need a lot more study and any information we can share will be important . I would like to know if it would be possible to isolate bacteria to best size of metal ion ??? a full and complete chart for them would help science in many ways !!!

The growth of plants and fish or birds ect ect or human cellular regeneration with a combined method of this would seed some very exciting and interesting experiments and the one that is at the cutting edge is stem cell development .. It would be interesting if the 
reason for fast cellular regeneration of a burn with C W is some kind of reaction that stimulates stem cells to grow faster ????

I have been using baby to help grow my stem cells in my skin for a few months now and never wash in just water anymore I also want to try and add C W to increase the rate of stem cell growth ! Also C W as a possible switch for stem cell signal ling normally stem cells need close contact with each other to signal them to grow and often a small amount of stress like cell damage by a small burn or lack of 02 or just a scratch can set them into a grow and repair mode. But is there a secret switch in C W ??????

Stem cells grow other stem cells before some of them are converted into new cell groups so there is a never ending supply of them in the body unless you are not consuming the continuity of the right required nutrition they will just wash out or just die off ... My advice to anyone in there late 40s or older is to re grow all your stem cells even make stem cell banks from urine ect ... The holy grail of stem cell research is growing them out side the body in your own stem cell bank ... Just image it hahah but the problem there is the medium to control rapid growth .. In urine you will find all your bodies stem cells so not such a good idea to throw it away haha  C W may be the way to store them than just add baby milk mmmm  hahahah

When the medium is set one could constantly change the PH to stimulate reactive growth ???????? My intuition tells me this is the way to go ! Human stem cell like the company of plant stem cells check out the magic Swiss apples there is something about them that stops them rotting may be there water they feed on is the key ????????

Please keep up the good work and I for one would like to share some results with a solid one year plan of experiments the missing technology is a microscope to watch over the stem cells .......

Regards

ATOM1 





   



   



   




 








     
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: lisaclara on May 12, 2017, 09:27:49 AM
Antibiotic drugs can destroy beneficial enzymes, but colloidal silver keeps beneficial enzymes intact, such as enzyme trypsin (http://www.creative-enzymes.com/product/native-bovine-trypsin_944.html).
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: profitis on May 30, 2017, 06:20:05 PM
"a small wart on my eye
lid"

Its coming back
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: profitis on June 12, 2017, 07:55:52 AM
"tion w"

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Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: AlienGrey on June 12, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Antibiotic drugs can destroy beneficial enzymes, but colloidal silver keeps beneficial enzymes intact, such as enzyme trypsin (http://www.creative-enzymes.com/product/native-bovine-trypsin_944.html).
Please make sure you're not using a Silver alloy as some silver is purely for the cosmetic jewelry industry and not collide silver production.

Regards AG
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: apecore on June 12, 2017, 01:46:05 PM
Hi all,

For your intrest.
I m making my own C.S. by using attached method, of course after distill portable water. (contains a lot of chalk etc.)
I didn't noticed if this info of using magnetron parts is posted already in this threat.

https://youtu.be/qQwo78Q9gkQ

Regards
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: profitis on June 14, 2017, 11:35:44 AM
Zazza
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on June 15, 2017, 05:22:54 AM
It has little to do with PH.

Colloidal gold and colloidal silver were used five thousand years ago for healing. Some of the ancient alchemist literature suggests these noble metals start to have healing effect in the presence of the sun.  For sure we have alot to learn.

Blueplanet
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: profitis on June 15, 2017, 09:00:52 AM
"Colloidal gold and colloidal silver were used five
thousand years ago for healing"

Whatcan I use for popped adrenal glands
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: blueplanet on June 16, 2017, 08:48:01 PM
"Colloidal gold and colloidal silver were used five
thousand years ago for healing"

Whatcan I use for popped adrenal glands

i am not sure if the following is relevant to your concern:

http://welltellme.com/discuss/index.php/topic,3888.0.html

I constantly drink a lot dmso mixed with some iodine but i do not have any luck to experience your problem.
Title: Re: Colloidal Silver Water
Post by: profitis on June 21, 2017, 07:44:51 AM
" i do not have any luck to experience your
problem."

Well that luck shall return 3fold onto the wasp who stole my girlfriend