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rangerover444

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2009, 02:01:06 AM »
  Jibbguy,

  You raised a valid point, although not completely accurate in it’s causes and effects.
The “OU age” or if you will “New age physics”, is encountering much resistance
from the academy, patent offices, Governments, and whoever don’t want to loose
his reputation, around the globe, and that’s a fact.

 There are several reasons for that :
 1. Many OU researches (a few thousands), claimed to have an OU working model
     which eventually did not do the job for various reasons. And that definitely heart
     the reputation of any private researchers in this field.
 2. Modern science does not like people like Tesla, Keely, Leedskalnin and others,
     since it felt threatened by them and their genius mind, since they did not “obeyed
     the rules”. And that fear cause them to debunk any unusual idea.
 3. Governments that wants to be in control of energy and be able to tax it, of course
     does not like the idea that their citizens will “contract nature” without them be
     the “middle man” (though I believe that if such a thing will found, a new regulations
     and all kind of “registrations” and “user fees” will start to pop up everywhere).
 4. I don’t think there is a surprised government technology to produce free-energy.
     For sure they have all kind of military and defense applications which they don’t
     want to expose and they are right about that. Since if they can literally tax any
     of your property, including a personal OU device, why should they hide it ?
     Do you think for instance that the US gov. wants to “bend down” by the oil nations,
     rather than come up w/ a free energy technology that could be taxed ?
 5. OU researchers in general used to live under the unspoken threats, that someone
     will expose them as con artists. So naturally they are looking behind their backs
     all the time and are “too vulnerable” to those threats, sometimes even from shadows
     on the walls, other times - they definitely have a valid reason to do so.

 I think that the main reason for this resistance comes from the fact, that if such
a technology will be found, it will be the first time in history that technology will
dictate science, and not the other way around.  More than that - modern physics may
have to be re-written - and that is a big problem for the academy, nations, universities,
scientists and whoever currently get the “blinded trust” by the public. And that’s the
real reason that stand behind this attitude towards New Age Physics.

 Cheers.

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2009, 05:17:12 AM »
RangeRover444,

You fail to see the big picture.

First step realize there is a crisis neither you or I are going to be Indians living in tents so you might as well live with that fact was it created by our greed quite possibly but as resin rat brought forth eventually we will have to colonize other planets and without our magical subatomic ironic discombobulator thinga ma jig we must work with what we have for the time being without electricity we will not reach that goal simple use the tools you have you would not say ta heck with it I have a cresent wrench to tighten down my battery terminal but my socket is missing so I am not even going to use it so what if I need to go work and make money this tool is a waste it is not the best solution so screw it.

We must use the tools we have sir until we come up with something better...

Your theory of everything being north and south poles kinda interests me as well as the train of thought which brought you to this conclusion are you thinking of spintronics possibly please dont hold out on us now let er rip its not healthy to hold it in.

PS nothing personal but I really would like to hear more on your north and south pole theory while I may not be to keen on your theory of not using something because it is not the perfect solution.

I will gaurentee you extiction of birds will come from other sources rather then wind turbines and I will argue this with anyone until I am blue in the face :) Trust me I'm white!

Please share some thoughts on the north and south theory I'd like to hear it.

Take care,


rangerover444

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2009, 08:24:43 AM »

  Infringer, thanks on the excited respond.

 First I agree with you that we are in a global crisis, not one, not four, but many more.
One of them have to do with energy by the way……lol.   Solving this one is important,
but very little will affect the others.  We have to live w/ electricity (I never said otherwise).
And as you stated “We must use the tools we have sir until we come up with something better…”
Forgive me for not finding any disagreement between us. Maybe you can point it out again ?

  The N & S pole magnets theory is not really mine, it’s Ed Leedskalnin notes and tests,
which I’m sure you’ve already heard of. I would be delight talk about it, but not on this
thread, since it’s a whole different subject. Though, one thing I can say, for whoever made
his / her conclusions of Ed’s notes, I think less then 5 people on earth physically performed
all the tests in his notes, which are showing the edge of a very different physics then the one
we are familiar with. That alone will explain the low popularity Ed notes got from the public.
Currently my partner and me are working on a book w/ many drawings that will make it
easy to understand his notes and tests. For now I prefer to talk about this topic on
another thread.

Cheers.

gravityblock

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2009, 09:14:11 AM »
  The N & S pole magnets theory is not really mine, it’s Ed Leedskalnin notes and tests,
which I’m sure you’ve already heard of. I would be delight talk about it, but not on this
thread, since it’s a whole different subject. Though, one thing I can say, for whoever made
his / her conclusions of Ed’s notes, I think less then 5 people on earth physically performed
all the tests in his notes, which are showing the edge of a very different physics then the one
we are familiar with. That alone will explain the low popularity Ed notes got from the public.
Currently my partner and me are working on a book w/ many drawings that will make it
easy to understand his notes and tests. For now I prefer to talk about this topic on
another thread.

Cheers.

Feel free to discuss it here.  It is about the confusion of the North and South poles.  It sounds like the theory is different, but it is always good to have the information in one spot instead of having it scattered all over the place.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6843.10

rangerover444

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2009, 11:09:56 AM »


 Thanks GB, I made my first post there
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6843.10

 Also Infringer, your welcome to see.

Cheers

Tito L. Oracion

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2009, 02:34:45 AM »
Hi everyone

Yes!!! we need free energy!, why? because its free!!!!!!!!  ;D

that's how simple it is!

God bless
otits  ;D

triffid

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2009, 04:23:28 AM »
We are not living up to our solar potentials as it is.A solar panel that generates electricity can be made to generate up to 10x whats its rated by shining up to 10x the times of sunlight upon it.It a 1 to 1 ratio.Plus,its a lot easier to make solar panels that pull in heat for just a few tens of dollars.Not thousands.Just check out some videos on u-tube about it.I want OU too but in the last 200 years we have not progressed into solar like we could have if oil and gasoline had not been discovered.Burning mirrors were the fashion like over 200 years ago.Triffid

onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2009, 05:04:59 AM »
Germanium Solar Cells are the most efficient but they are very costly.

Jerry

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2009, 07:00:34 AM »
 There is a funny misunderstanding of science towards the idea of Free Energy.
Since what they say is that there is a law of energy conservation and it cannot
be override.  While the case is completely different here, since no one is trying
to make something from nothing, but to tap into a free natural source of energy,
exactly like plugging your drill into the electric outlet….. Of course it’s to easy
and not so easy to find, but I wonder if someone explained that to them ?

 But even more funny than that is the idea that electricity can live without
magnets….. Simply take the magnets out of the generator and here you are….
“The king is naked”…….  Magnets where here long before modern science
appeared and could not make (Maxwell and friends) the simple connection that
the same thing a generator needs (rotating magnets) is the same thing that feeds
the generators (magnets), is the same thing that runs in the wire (magnets), it’s the same
thing that surrounded the wire and it’s the same thing that turns on our light
bulbs and motors.

 What they did found (18xx) is that “electricity” is far more manageable than
the “elusive magnetism”, much more user friendly and able “to stand the trial”.
so the jury board went on that…….sarcastic is it sound.

 Did anyone of you really thinks that JJ Thomson Electrons or Cathode Ray if
you will, that could not pass the glass of the vacuum tube - could squeezed through
a wire ?  Or why an electric wire that “smells” of magnets around it - in fact
runs “electrons” inside ?  Do we asked to ignore our common sense and basic logic
just to “straight the lines” with someone ?

 By the way Solar Energy technology is quite in it’s infancy, since it’s producing
no more than 20% of it’s potential and there will pass several generations of them
before they will cross the 80% or more efficiency….so be prepare to change them
from time to time….. and pay a hefty price for the new generation.

Just a few thoughts….on the way to free energy.

Cheers.
     

rangerover444

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2009, 09:05:42 PM »
 By a coincidence I saw these articles about the earth’s magnetic field declination :

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080926105021.htm
“Right now, historic records show that the strength of the magnetic field is declining
very rapidly. From a quick back-of-the-envelope prediction, in 1,500 years the field
will be as weak as it's ever been and we could go into a state of polarity reversal," says Singer.
"One broad goal of our research is to provide some predictive capability for what could
happen and what could be the signs of the next reversal."

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/earth_magnetic_031212.html
“The strength of the Earth's magnetic field has decreased 10 percent over the past 150
years, raising the remote possibility that it may collapse and later reverse, flipping the
planet's poles for the first time in nearly a million years, scientists said Thursday.”

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html
“Earth's magnetic field is fading. Today it is about 10 percent weaker than it was when
German mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss started keeping tabs on it in 1845, scientists say.


Interesting to read, until I found that in the past 150 years it lost 10% of it’s
strength. If that’s true then it’s quite alarming news, since that declination can
cause other effects which are unknown. Since no one yet found a reasonable
explanation for earth magnetic field (the dynamo theory, is a bad joke….xuse me),
it raise the point, that not only we don’t understand why it’s there, we also don’t
understand why it’s decline so rapidly….

 Well, what we know is that coincidently since the “electric revolution” started
in the 18xx, earth’s magnetic field declined by 10%. Maybe it’s my imagination,
but also maybe it is not so coincidental, and have to do with human activity ?
Well, I’m not that expert to tell the answer, but maybe someone can give an
explanation for that ?

Cheers.
     


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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2009, 10:09:10 PM »
rangerover444

i would not suspect us having so much impact on the magnetic activities. All the EM we produce, even if emitted all at once and in one (right) direction... how does it compare to the BIG magnet.

1)resonance?
2)or is earth living and we alter its aura?

Of course it is hard to be creative about the cause and don't sound silly in the conclusions..

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2009, 01:37:47 AM »
About the earth's magnetic field, someone pointed out new evidence that the ocean was the cause for the magnetic field and not the earth's core which was agreed on by science for the only possible explanation without actual proof at the time, and that's awhile back!

Science is supposed to be open to new possibilities but has to go through thorough investigation methods to determine a postulate and then prove it, in the above the core was never proven while the latter was..see http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/39469 and others if you do a search on oceans + earth+ magnetic + field ....

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2009, 02:57:19 AM »
About the earth's magnetic field, someone pointed out new evidence that the ocean was the cause for the magnetic field and not the earth's core which was agreed on by science for the only possible explanation without actual proof at the time, and that's awhile back!

Science is supposed to be open to new possibilities but has to go through thorough investigation methods to determine a postulate and then prove it, in the above the core was never proven while the latter was..see http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/39469 and others if you do a search on oceans + earth+ magnetic + field ....

Regards,
Paul

both the earth and the ocean have a magnetic field.
 the ocean is nearly 5% iron, and acts as a ferro-fluid. its dominated by the earths field, but its field is manipulated by the ionosphere and the magnetism of the moon.


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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2009, 07:42:21 AM »
  Sm0ky2,
 Here is a composition table of an ocean water :
http://www.usc.edu/org/seagrant/Education/IELessons/Unit1/Lesson5/teachertable.html
Oxygen & Hydrogen alone make 96%, so I doubt it that the ocean water contain 5% iron.
I don’t know the role of the oceans w/ earth magnetic field, maybe it have something to do
with that or maybe not, but 5% iron is out of question….

 Creativity,
 From tests I’ve done, I realized that the rotating magnets in a generator, are literally pumping
magnets from the surrounding and inducing them into the iron core, which deflecting them
into the coil wires. Eventually the same magnets go back to the earth magnetic field after being
radiates out from the electric wires as electromagnetic radiation. So there is no loose here
according to my understanding. But there is “shifting” of the magnetic field.

 So the question here is not only about the proportion between human consumption and
the earth magnetic field (which is of course much larger), but also if this type of “pumping”
And distributing electricity - have some by-products effects ?

 In 2005 the total electricity consumption on earth was 15 Terra Watts (if I understood it
correctly).  Considering that the earth magnetic field have it’s “loop” or orbit, then taking
away from this loop, distribute it “non-naturally” to consumers, may cause changes….or
maybe not - I don’t know the answer. That is my point.

 I'm pretty sure the sun is constantly feeding earth w/ magnetic field and then it orbit earth,
but how much human activity interfering with this process and if / what are the
consequences - that’s what I’m asking.

Cheers.

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Re: Do we need Free Energy at all ?
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2009, 09:40:29 PM »
Sorry,I don't think the oceans don't consist of 5% iron.I did hear that early in the earths' history the oceans were full of it from comet impacts.It took like a billion years for the iron to become rock deposits.The iron had to be locked up in rock layers before life could get started in the oceans.So in the distant past the oceans had too much iron in them.Triffid