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Author Topic: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...  (Read 19605 times)

Tommey Reed

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2009, 12:17:11 AM »
As simple as a wheel turns, no magnet motor could ever have enough extra power to do any real work. More mechanical parts add more friction and drag on a mechanical system. less part for a so called magnet motor the a better chance that you will have a wheel that spins, but no power can be draw of of it.
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Tommey Reed

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2009, 12:23:42 AM »
eavogels,

It wont work, too much drag with gears and magnet won't do what you think it will. You would be better off to work on a single wheel then add too many parts that will drag this to a point of no return.

Think simple! >:(

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2009, 01:27:13 AM »
Wow! Is it safe for me to come back to my thread?
Just for kicks, let me put this into perspective, so far I have a $50.00 investment into this project. except for my time, that is all. I was having a good time with this invention, and I spent a little dough to keep the magnet guys in business. My wife knows where I am, I'm not in the bar, my dog is not starving because I spent all her dog food money on magnets. Live is good.

And it's kind of cool getting a troll on my first thread.

But can we get back to thinking positive without killing a thread?
Lumen, I might be able to put both shielding devices on one set up. You believe that I would be better off starting with out the half moon shield and just start with something similar to what you've drawn? John

lumen

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2009, 03:33:05 AM »
The half moon or shield between the repelling faces will generate a pull that I believe takes the same as any energy that could be gained by the repelling faces. All the testing I have done using this configuration indicates this. I use a modified digital fish scale to get very accurate readings.

I have my own CNC machines and usually make my own gears from 1/4" lexan. I can usually build a device over a weekend but sometimes it takes a day to draw it up in 3d.
I have a plan for a device that should confirm this concept with only two moving parts and this should provide some additional data.

If you have your half moon shield made already, you could try it out so you might have something to compare the results against.

ramset

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2009, 05:52:03 PM »
A good reason to PLAY with magnets
http://rosemaryainslie.blogspot.com/

Chet

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2009, 06:58:24 PM »
A good reason to PLAY with magnets
http://rosemaryainslie.blogspot.com/

Chet


Ouch!
I need another cup of coffee.
Zipons? Truants? Ok....

I downloaded and read the PDF which describes the circuit tested. Which is from October 2002. Looks good at first, until you read carefully, and then it's a perfect example of pseudoscience. Instead of calculating the input energy directly from the measurements of V and I and the V x I waveform, by integrating over time to get the total energy, and then dividing by the number of seconds to get the average power, she does it another way which I don't think is correct or equivalent. I also don't think the measurements are taken correctly, if the diagram actually reflects where and how the measurements were made. And the attempt at calorimetry, while admirable, just serves to illustrate how difficult it actually is to do good calorimetry.

Still, it's a simple enough circuit and I have all or most of the parts on hand. Thanks for a nice little weekend project! We shall see what we shall see.

(I sure hope I don't encounter any Truants or Zipons, though. I get nervous when they get on the same bus I'm on.)

(And darnit, that "patent" seems to be actually a ten-year-old application, not a patent.)

ramset

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ramset

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2009, 06:28:27 PM »
Something else that might help, Bismuth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoUSz-hD8A&NR=1
Chet

ramset

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2009, 03:13:19 AM »
Sooo....
TK a beggar waits at your door [Me]
Any opinions on Cop 17?
Chet
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/rosemary_ainslie/transient_energy.pdf

TinselKoala

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2009, 04:36:16 PM »
Sooo....
TK a beggar waits at your door [Me]
Any opinions on Cop 17?
Chet
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/rosemary_ainslie/transient_energy.pdf
I couldn't find the IRFPG50 specified in the circuit, but I did find some 2SK1548 mosfets that have almost identical specs (900V instead of 1000V). I haven't put it together yet; I might have a chance to later today or tomorrow.
I can see why there is difficulty in measuring this circuit, though--with an input duty cycle less than 5 percent and non-linear oscillations from overdriving the MOSFET, one really needs better equipment than a 50 MHz 2-channel oscilloscope and a spreadsheet.
I have the proper equipment, including fast digital scopes with math functions, and a water-flow calorimetric power meter, but it might be packed away--we're moving to a new undisclosed location and a lot of useful stuff is buried in shipping containers.
But we'll see what I can see with the stuff that's not packed yet, and if there seems to be something interesting I can always dig out the artillery.

ramset

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2009, 04:43:35 PM »
TK
Thanks ,
Just doesn't cover it!!

YOUR THE BEST!!

Chet




TinselKoala

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Re: 4 PISTON MOTOR THAT JUST MIGHT WORK. YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE...
« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2009, 03:36:17 AM »
Sooo....
TK a beggar waits at your door [Me]
Any opinions on Cop 17?
Chet
http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/rosemary_ainslie/transient_energy.pdf

To avoid derailing this thread totally I've started a new one for this topic. Done some work, posted some pics, and so on.
--TK