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Author Topic: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications  (Read 215906 times)

Offline minde4000

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2009, 11:02:32 PM »
Thanks for the info i_ron. As far as I have seen T had two different toroidal cores: one almost exect specs that I have and one much thinner ring as one of his photos show. His latest/last video had "fat" toroid. I do agree about the smaller size and better material but I guess I will try to get this one going and then go from there...  I am worried about my rotor too wich is different from one you made for T. Oh well. Time will tell. It would be great to get some info from other "replicators" but it seems that people are not too willing to share their projects here so if this way will continue I will go offline too..

Edit: live core size example was clearly demonstrated at T's california christmas videos when his relatively(vs toroid)  small single E core inductance coil combination accelerated in 100rpm jumps wich we didnt see on his latest videos. Probably that particular E coil inductance accidentaly closely matched the rest of his systems specs (magnets strenght freq and etc.) so it gave such spectacular effects.

Edit: on the other hand if I would ever go as high as 16 coils on my core (double sided) the size might not be too overkill at that point.

Regards Minde

« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 05:34:02 AM by minde4000 »

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 08:37:51 AM »
I will share my details Minde!

I do not speak so often because i have little time in my disposal so no fast progress is made.

I realize u guys want to continue from there Thane stopped. That's good.

on the other hand i want to fully explore Perepiteia's principles so i start from scratch. that means finding out the accelaration effect a HV coil produces and its potential output measure not in a resistive load but captured in a capacitor etc.

All my experiments will be powered by a pulsed motor for efficiency, since it is claimed and proven that HV coil assist mechanical motion.

You readily realize that all this stuff takes time.From monday i will post pictures of my progress from this pathway.

@minde you are not alone man in this

Regards,
Baroutologos


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 08:46:39 AM »
Hi Baroutologos
Following your posts with great interest,as I'm sure many are.
Thanks
peter

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 10:43:04 AM »

I do not speak so often because i have little time in my disposal so no fast progress is made.


Time is only one aspect. $$$ is the other.. both are needed for progress.

Before I got the rotor specs from I_ron I started to build my own rotor out of Aluminum. Not sure that it will work or if the rotor needs to be out of steel for the effect to take place. I machined my rotor to take Radio Shack rectangular ceramic magnets as I had a bunch from other replication projects and they would be cheap for other replicators if they worked. Last week I ordered some N45 round magnets off of EBay so I will need to modify the rotor to accept these as well that way I can try a couple ideas. Before Thane started using different cores I had gotten from EBay several MOT cores that later Thane would later proclaim are only good for doorstops. Bummer..
 So far I have spend a good amount of $$$ and have very little to show for the trouble. These "research" projects have to be budgeted for me as I have a limited amount of $$$ coming in and about equal $$$ going out.  ;D  I suspect that is the case for others. The same problem goes for the time aspect of "research". Having to take care of my house (bills, maintenance,etc) and my elderly mothers house also takes time and money. Just last week my van I drive started puking antifreeze in the driveway after I parked it. This weekend a bit of time will be spend replacing the waterpump that is shoehorned in a tight place. Very little time will be spent on "research". Bummer again.
 So pardon me if my "research" is slow. We all have different levels of resources available in the $$$ and time area. Sure I wish I did not have to work for a living or that I was retired with a steady income. I could devote more time and $$$ on "research" but at the moment it looks like my loto ticket did not win again.  ::)
 From looking at Thanes progress it would appear he had a "sponsor" so that helped him with the time and $$$ aspect. I wish I had a "sponsor" but that comes with a price to pay as you can tell from Thane being silent now.
 So I guess what I am saying is that I will be making progress as time and $$$ permit but it will not be at the lightning speed that Thane was doing toward the end. I am sure that is the case for a lot of the replicators.
 I will also being posting pictures of my rotor Monday as "proof" I am working on this.


Offline tagor

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 12:34:33 PM »
Hi Baroutologos
Following your posts with great interest,as I'm sure many are.
Thanks
peter

yes
I , also , am waiting for more data to begin a replication

daniel

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 12:34:33 PM »
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Offline baroutologos

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2009, 09:25:58 AM »
Hello at all

For me talking and reaserching is easier than doing! :P By the way, my Work IN progress pulsed motor-perepiteia outline could be encapsulated in thoses photos.

As you can see, i am form Bedini's school of crafting, so goes the outline. (coil's cores, SSG pulsed motor, minimum metal usage etc)

Regards,
Baroutologos

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2009, 11:24:42 PM »
Here is the start of my replication. Takes Radio Shack rectangular ceramic magnets or the new 1.5 inch ebay ones that hurt like heck when they pinch your fingers ;)

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 06:23:06 AM »
@i_ron

I fixed the @TK thing. Thanks.

Regarding what @minde4000 just posted, looking at those empty spools destined as the coil holder I imagine. My question is pretty simple.

If the core going inside that spool is there to initiate some level of coupling that will be transferred inside that huge bottom core, is it not better to have the best coil to core fit possible. If you had a square core inside that round spool center, there is no close coupling possible. Or is this part of the overall effect having a semi-core with semi-air-core coil?.

If the effect would be better with square core with square and tight fitting center spool, maybe there is a way of heating the spool center plastic core, putting the square core inside then reforming the plastic to fit snugly around the square core.

This core reminds of some stators I saw on ebay today, here is one of them. Could this be used in some way as a low cost startup for components.

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2009, 07:03:34 AM »
@wattsup

I agree square coils would be better but for start I will go with what I have. These coils will have either silicon steel or tape square cores and will be attached to the toroidal core wich is too big also. My coil sizes cores and ring should closely match last thanes video setup. Rotor will be different. Once I will get this setup going (IF) then I will start modifying if finances will allow :)

Minde
 

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2009, 12:02:59 PM »
@ Wattup

yes you say it correct. My green spool is Litzed wire (18awg) destined to become th pulse motor section.

@ ron

speachless..
 
@all

currently i am having some difficulty in seting up the motor section of my work at obtaining some 2000+ rmp with one core. (note cores are iron wires, laquered)
I would had not trouble if the motor was a radial one but... for safety's shake (magnets on the rim tend to fly) made it a axial more inefficient one.

Anyway, as i repeatedly said, i plan at exploring Peripeteia in a micro basis, few watts input, so as the effect of HV coils to become the prevailing factor in this setup.

If progress made, i will soon post it here.

Regards,
Baroutologos

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2009, 12:08:35 PM »
Wow.

Awesome work everyone!!!!!!  ;D

If only all threads could be this to-the-point and free of Nay-Sayers.

Good luck all.

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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2009, 01:48:27 PM »
One more thing that has haunt my mind.

Thane, has repeatedly stated that HV coils start from a point and onward to act more as capacitors than inductors.

It is well known the Tesla patent that describes how to enhance capacitative aspect of an inductor, i.e. wound a coil bifilar and then series connecting the wires.

I plan to make it as soon as have my motor up and running. But, i am also an impatient person. :) I urge anyone with a minimum setup ready to give a try to the concept and report findings.

regards,
Baroutologos


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2009, 05:06:39 PM »
Wow.

Awesome work everyone!!!!!!  ;D

If only all threads could be this to-the-point and free of Nay-Sayers.

Good luck all.

Thanks Harmonic,

All,

As was pointed out very early in the old list the motor T used was the worst possible choice to get meaningful results. I used it just to stay close to his conditions for replicating.

The RV on the other hand also has some short comings but as long as you are comparing ap ples and ap ples it works fine.

It is a constant speed device where one can read the draw in watts for different coil core combinations. As long as you don't get to great a difference in load then it behaves benignly.

Interesting point developed yesterday. Sort of a guess but with one inch magnets I was assuming a one inch (sq in) core for 60 Hz. So at 270 Hz I could discount that by at least four, so 1/4 of 1 is .25 sq inches, which is a core 1/2 by 1/2 inches.
(12.7 X 12.7 mm)

But here is the interesting point, it makes quite a difference which way the laminations lie.

With the test core at the six o'clock position and the laminations vertical...

The core drew 22.5 watts and the temperature rose 16C (in five minutes)

With the laminations horizontal....

The core drew 16.8 watts, and the temperature rise was 8C

So the magnet should pass along the width of the lamination, not across it.

Ron


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2009, 05:19:20 PM »
But here is the interesting point, it makes quite a difference which way the lamination's lie.
With the test core at the six o'clock position and the lamination's vertical...
The core drew 22.5 watts and the temperature rose 16C (in five minutes)

With the lamination's horizontal....

The core drew 16.8 watts, and the temperature rise was 8C

Ron

Wow.. This is a very important find.. This means I might still be able to use my MOV transformers for initial research. I wonder if Thane ever noticed this effect.


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2009, 09:20:30 PM »
I'm sure Thane knows about this effect, as eddy currents are a well understood phenomenon. When a magnet moves past any electrically conductive metal, it will induce electric eddy currents. These eddy currents behave much like the swirling rings of water that you get when dragging an oar through water. Unfortunately, eddy currents waste energy (by inducing opposing magnetic fields), so the trick is to minimize them. The usual solution is to have the core material in thinly insulated sheets (lamination) or particles (ferrite). With laminations, you can carry more magnetic flux, but orientation, and frequency become issues. Ferrites typically carry less flux, but work better at very high frequencies.

To experience the "drag" effect yourself, take a copper or aluminum pipe (angle brackets work too) and drop a small Neo magnet down through it. Notice how it slows down.

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