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Author Topic: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications  (Read 233964 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« on: May 28, 2009, 11:54:52 PM »
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Stefan,

It was suggested by wattsup that Thanes list be locked and a new list started called " Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications"

I have received several posts from Thane and it is my conclusion that he has been forbidden to post anymore information on the internet.

Okay ,
this is now the Replication thread.

Until Thane returns, let's lock the old thread and keep
this as the new replication thread.

Many thanks to all who work on this.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 01:27:27 AM »
Okay ,
this is now the Replication thread.

Until Thane returns, let's lock the old thread and keep
this as the new replication thread.

Many thanks to all who work on this.

Regards, Stefan.

Thanks Stefan,

And Hi to all of you who have found the new forum!
Welcome!

Hopefully we can keep this on track as a replicators forum.

Although I must confess I am not working on this myself at the present. As you may remember I was promised some E cores and I went into wait mode... well as you can guess... they never arrived, so still in wait mode, lol

Regards,

Ron

Thanes last model ....
« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 02:51:23 AM by i_ron »


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 04:27:53 AM »
All welcome. Its nice to see a new replicator tread.
@ i_ron
Would you mind sir sharing a place you got your E cores from? Are E core legs offset in any way against the magnets or they have to match exectly 3 consecutive  magnet placement? (by degrees)
Thank You

Regards Minde




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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 04:30:32 AM »

Although I must confess I am not working on this myself at the present.

So how swings the Milkovic pendulum?


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 04:58:10 AM »
All welcome. Its nice to see a new replicator tread.
@ i_ron
Would you mind sir sharing a place you got your E cores from? Are E core legs offset in any way against the magnets or they have to match exectly 3 consecutive  magnet placement? (by degrees)
Thank You

Regards Minde

Minde,

I was still using MOT cores, (blush) which Mr T laughed at...
and I was still on the three legged core.  Mr T posted where he got his 'new' core from... did anybody log that?

Ron

edit: Mr T was going to send me some... Owen was going to send me some... none came... I do not have a source

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 04:58:10 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 05:06:08 AM »
So how swings the Milkovic pendulum?

derricka,

I posted a little study recently which caused the usual reaction from the nay sayers. It is fun!  But so little time in a day... I am working on a E bike, my daughter had me doing a kitchen remodel and I spent too much time on this key board!

Ron

OT for sure but you asked, lol
Note this just a study to examine the input, like a hand, to
what the output ratio could be...

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Merenja/Ronald_Pugh_Input-Output_Measurement_Mk5.pdf
« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 06:32:18 AM by i_ron »

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 06:45:28 AM »

And Hi to all of you who have found the new forum!
Welcome!


Mission statement... I don't want to come across as a self styled expert, or worse... I just wanted to make a few posts to get this group off to a friendly start... then I will shut up.

All I did was make a couple of rotors for Thane. He paid me way more than I asked, so no complaints. However he never told me anymore than what he said on list so I know as much as you! We sort of parted ways, yet he surprised me in that he kept me up to date on what was happening with his company.

I am pleased to answer questions and talk about Thane's stuff but do make the distinction that this only my opinion that I am expressing, OK?

Ron

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 06:45:28 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 02:53:26 PM »
Lets get some replication starting information going here. Some basic data mining with reference links can go a long way to being succesful.
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From Thanes post here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.msg169868#msg169868
Thane wrote the first 8 magnet rotor setup was "N N S S N N S S - IS CORRECT"
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Core material that Thane pointed to in this post
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.msg169405#msg169405
"CORE MATERIAL:
GO ONLINE AND FIND REALLY GOOD QUALITY CORE M2, OR M3 HERE IS SOME GOOD INFO: http://www.kryfs.com/tech_articles.htm "
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Proof of OU ?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.msg173503#msg173503
Thane wrote :"We are now getting 30 watts (or more / coil) with a total of 8 coils = 240 watts out.

The eddy current and cogging torque losses are now fixed (it won't go any higher with the addition if coils of any size) and the motor input = 223 watts.

With the correct sized and lower eddy current stator ring from Toroid Tech - we can safely expect 50 watts / coil - which is our goal right now, - 400 watts out and about 200 watts in.

We could easily have a double sided rotor with two stator rings & coils producing around 800 watts. There really is no limit now!"
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Notice that Thane stated : stator ring from Toroid Tech
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Magenets used : Lee Valley one inch magnet
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From I_ron about the last rotor he made for Thane that held 18 magnets and was seen in his last video :
1/4 inch steel plate material
OD: 10.5 inches.
Center line for round magnets: 9.0 inches
18 Magnets
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Perhaps other replicators can find other useful information in the original thread and post a reference link here with a highlight of what is important.

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 04:59:50 PM »
Thank you i_ron. I just got my core this morning waiting on rotor. Does anyone know if E core legs match 3 consequent magnets exectly against each other or E core legs should be couple of degrees offset aigainst the magnets in any way? Still need to find L laminates for coil mounts and E laminates for additional experimental coil laminates. Need only one E core if anyone would be willing to sell/gift please send PM.

Were T's laminates from magnetic metals i_ron?

Regards Minde

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 09:39:49 PM »
Thank you i_ron. I just got my core this morning waiting on rotor. Does anyone know if E core legs match 3 consequent magnets exectly against each other or E core legs should be couple of degrees offset aigainst the magnets in any way? Still need to find L laminates for coil mounts and E laminates for additional experimental coil laminates. Need only one E core if anyone would be willing to sell/gift please send PM.

Were T's laminates from magnetic metals i_ron?

Regards Minde

That sounds familiar Minde, could be.

Now firm up in your mind which coil you want to build. The three legged form is an earlier model with the HV coil on the center leg with the HC coil wound over top of all three legs.
Because the magnets are mounted on a radius, the three legs will not line up with three magnets anyway...

Ron

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 09:48:57 PM »
Lets get some replication starting information going here. Some basic data mining with reference links can go a long way to being succesful.
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Magenets used : Lee Valley one inch magnet
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From I_ron about the last rotor he made for Thane that held 18 magnets and was seen in his last video :
1/4 inch steel plate material
OD: 10.5 inches.
Center line for round magnets: 9.0 inches
18 Magnets


Thats a good idea and a good start HC

If I can just add to that... the Lee Valley magnets are 1" by 1/8th inch. These are sold all over so no need to seek out Lee Valley. These were chosen just for convenience as there is a Lee valley store in most Canadian cities now, Victoria just got a store last month! But they also sell mail order. Now on the #2 rotor Thane went to the stronger grade magnet (at the time of the California demonstration) Whether he kept these I don't know as they couldn't get it over 1000RPM with these magnets at the demo....Thats why you see him starting the ryobi first, letting the R's come up then tilting the mag holder plate into place and doing up the fastener....He went to the new core material at this time also, which helped kill the drag enough to let it run, but as I say... I don't know which magnet strength.

On the rotor... 1/4 inch plate, but machined both sides so the final dimension was from around .200 thou (#1 rotor)to .230 thou final thickness (#2 rotor). Not that it matters a hill of beans... just being precise.

Ron



« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 10:11:00 PM by i_ron »

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 10:05:55 PM »
@i_ron

Ya they will not line up. I assume E core spacing between fingers should be as closely the same as the distances between curved 3 magnets.
I would like to have both: at least 1  E core and toroidal setup via some kind of easy change-over design or 2-in-1

Minde


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2009, 03:46:12 AM »
@i_ron

Ya they will not line up. I assume E core spacing between fingers should be as closely the same as the distances between curved 3 magnets.
I would like to have both: at least 1  E core and toroidal setup via some kind of easy change-over design or 2-in-1

Minde

How big is your toroid?

Ron

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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2009, 06:32:12 AM »
Toroid M3-009 grain oriented steel: 

          ID      OD       HT       BUILD     GAPP
  [in]  7.000  11.000  2.000    2.000          0

If anyone could recall where Mr T got his laminates at or another descent place to buy them please pm or reply. Didnt have much luck browsing thru google search   ???

Regards Minde


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Re: Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2009, 05:41:03 PM »
Toroid M3-009 grain oriented steel: 

          ID      OD       HT       BUILD     GAPP
  [in]  7.000  11.000  2.000    2.000          0

If anyone could recall where Mr T got his laminates at or another descent place to buy them please pm or reply. Didnt have much luck browsing thru google search   ???

Regards Minde

What is done is done... where I was going with that is the size in my mind is rather large. I think for the Hz that these RPM's produce, the core and the toroid should be much smaller.

For an interesting article do see Hydro's link message.

For suppliers see...

http://www.magmet.com/page1.php

Click on products...

So the ultimate is finemet ft3... or Sq50,

"Square 50 - 50% Ni/Fe/ alloy, (grain oriented). It offers the highest squareness ratio (lowest saturated reactance) and very high gain. This material has Bm while cores losses are low enough to consider its use in higher frequency applications than the silicon steels. Applications include bi-stable switching devices, inverter transformers, high performance power magnetic amplifiers, linear current transformers, timing devices, driver transformers, and wherever an extremely square loop material, manufactured to close tolerance, is required."

<http://www.magmet.com/tapewound/square50.php>

or just CRGO steels might be in budget.

Ron

Edit:Core research from correspondence with Nali (Steven)



« Last Edit: May 30, 2009, 06:14:29 PM by i_ron »

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