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WilbyInebriated

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Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« on: May 13, 2009, 02:48:10 AM »
efficiency details to be provided by newbie123 as volunteered here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7040.msg177971#msg177971

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2009, 03:05:00 AM »
Ok,  Lets start with Faraday Efficiency (from my understanding), and I'll get into the problems w/ measuring "Faraday" in series cells later....



Faraday electrolysis efficiency uses quantities of electrons (coulombs) and gas volume to determine the efficiency of an electrolytic cell.

According to Faraday law, 4 moles of electrons moving through a cell will create 2 moles of H2 gas, and 1 mole of O2 gas, at 100 percent Faraday Efficiency.

How to calculate 100 percent Faraday Efficiency:

First convert 4 moles of electrons into amps. (4 moles) * (avagadro's number) =
4 * 6.0221417e23 = 2.408856716e24 (electrons)

Then divide the total electrons by 1 Coulomb (quantity of electrons)

2.4088567e24 (electrons) / 6.24150947e18 (1 Coulomb) = 385941 Coulombs

Now calculate the Amp Hours:

Since (1 Amp) = (1 Coulomb * 1 Second)

(385941 C) / (3600 Seconds) = 107.205 Amp Hours (Ah)

Now figure out how much gas is in 2 moles of H2, and 1 mole of O2.
According to the ideal gas law, one mole of gas has a volume of 24.446 Liters at 25 C, 1 Atm. So:

(3 moles) * 24.446 L/mol = 73.338 Liters of HHO gas

So this is as exciting as Faraday Efficiency gets, it deals with Amps and Moles (quantities of electrons) only (not energy or voltage)....

So 107.205 Amps over one hour will generate 73.338 Liters of H2 O2 gas at 100 percent Faraday efficiency. That's it, 100 percent Faraday Efficiency.



Any problems with this, Wilby?



WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 03:09:23 AM »
no problems, post whatever you want. i'll catch up when you start posting your measurements, those are what i am really interested in...

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 03:15:30 AM »
no problems, post whatever you want. i'll catch up when you start posting your measurements, those are what i am really interested in...
    Uh, well the above will be pretty important to understand ... And, I might have made a mistake..   I'll continue in a little bit.

« Last Edit: May 13, 2009, 04:23:06 AM by newbie123 »

WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2009, 03:18:49 AM »
"Until you can measure it, arguing about something can be many things.."

dankie

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 03:22:15 AM »
Newbie didnt even build the frikkin 101 cell .

Newbie123 why dont you stfu .When you actually build an 101 cell THEN you can come back and say how efficient it was AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT .





WilbyInebriated

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 03:25:02 AM »
Newbie didnt even build the frikkin 101 cell .

Newbie123 why dont you stfu .When you actually build an 101 cell THEN you can come back and say how efficient it was .

really?

is this true newbie123? do you have a bob boyce 101 of your own or have access to one to take measurements or not?

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 03:32:43 AM »
I do actually.... Toroid as well.    Lol.    But what is with your  attitudes, why do you guys need to be so rude (and act like little 12 year olds) ?  Are the facts that painful for you guys to hear?    I'm starting to feel like I'm debunking your religion...   And if thats the case I'll just stop now..

 


dankie

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 03:48:35 AM »
Instead of wasting your time thinking you are smart with the multiplications and divsions and your little "skeptical smarty pants" attitude .

Why dont you watch this video and try to recreate these effects with everybody here . Get working on something , enough of this talk talk talk .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EVnyw7oEj8

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 03:55:47 AM »
Hey! I know that guy in that video! cool! I wondered where he went! Glad to see he is still experimenting. I wouldn't call it no amperage exactly though.

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 04:12:43 AM »
Naw, I used to talk to radiant_1 (aka.. your hero.. Zer0point unlimited) on skype and he does some pretty neat experiments... But, just like 99 percent of  all the other experiments here.. They show nothing! Big surprise..."Effects" are usually nothing special..  But if you want to go replicate everything you see,  go  right ahead.

Amazing you fast you guys can hijack a thread!

« Last Edit: May 13, 2009, 07:40:37 AM by newbie123 »

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2009, 04:29:31 AM »
How do you hijack a thread by willbe?

HeairBear

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2009, 04:39:49 AM »
Bob Boyce is full of shit. His story is crap and all the designs come from others. That three frequency torroid is complete bullshit too. I dont care what you say, a series cell is shit. I have built many and they all did the same fuckin thing. each plate adds resistance resulting in each plate producing less on one side of the cell. Even if it did work, it's too fuckin expensive to be economical to the average person. Read all you want, believe what you want, It doesn't change the fact that I did the experiments and they are bogus by a HUGE margin. Stan Meyers setup is none the cheaper but it at least makes much more sense than Big Bob's bullshit.

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2009, 04:59:40 AM »
Bob Boyce is full of shit. His story is crap and all the designs come from others. That three frequency torroid is complete bullshit too. I dont care what you say, a series cell is shit. I have built many and they all did the same fuckin thing. each plate adds resistance resulting in each plate producing less on one side of the cell. Even if it did work, it's too fuckin expensive to be economical to the average person. Read all you want, believe what you want, It doesn't change the fact that I did the experiments and they are bogus by a HUGE margin. Stan Meyers setup is none the cheaper but it at least makes much more sense than Big Bob's bullshit.


Just curious.    Did  the cells leak?   If each individual cell isn't totally 100 percent water tight (ie, electrolyte leaking between cells) ... You'll get current/ion leakage when you fire it up .. and  It won't work for squat.

« Last Edit: May 13, 2009, 05:27:55 AM by newbie123 »

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Re: Bob Boyce 101 efficiency details
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2009, 05:26:06 AM »
Some cells were perfectly sealed, some were not. They all exhibited the same results. It's not rocket science and any novice knows each cell in series adds resistance.