Author Topic: Cooking with HHO , my experiments so far (Read 37403 times)

jdcmusicman · « **on:** April 23, 2009, 07:58:12 AM »

Hello everyone ,

I been doing HHO experiments in the area of cooking .

I have built a prototype burner using 19 tips with approximate hole size of .010
I the lowest amount of gas that can be used is 2.3 LPM
The average amount of gas that can be used is 3.2 - 4.2 LPM
The maximum amount of gas that can be used without creating back pressure in my system is 6- 8 LPM

Here's a few of my videos I have posted on youtube ..
Tell me what you think ...

Showing the 19 tips burning off 3.2 lpm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8HQiPUElrU

Showing me cooking an egg with 3.2 LPM using 498 watts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7HlMTjKQfo

triffid · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:14:01 AM »

Hey JD,I am so happy you are cooking with HHO gas and I am happy to be one of the first to see it here so I can reply.I have seen hints of other people trying to cook and heat with HHO but overall information is rare because most people are talking about burning it in their cars.I think the reason you don't get flashbacks at 7 lpm is because you have a little pressure, couple that with small diameter tubes and of course have your bubblers in line.Two in series should keep you safe.I think too that small screen inserts might prevent flashbacks(not sure).I did not see how you generate your HHO but you seem to use household voltages.Is your HHO unit homemade or did you buy it?I think one could use wire coathangers for electrodes.They may get eaten up a bit but they are cheap to replace and a little bit of rust in the water never hurt the reaction anyway.Burning HHO creates a very hot flame,hot enough to slice through steel.If you have small children at home you need to be very careful around them.I think in one article I saw on the internet someone used a screen between the flames and the frying pan.He was also thinking about central heating with it too.Keep up the good work and be careful!Triffid

jdcmusicman · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:33:07 AM »

HI triffid,

Thanks for the comment .. I made my HHO cell myself .It is 72 6"x6"plates 16gauge 304L SS and yes I run it off rectified ac , I have a reservoir and I use 2 - 3 bubblers...I have done the car thing myself , but have come to the conclusion that there are way better applications of hho than in a car...I rarely get any flashbacks with this setup and my last bubbler has a reset top....my whole setup is very safe ....I been playing with stuff for almost 2 yrs now ....
I been working on this burner stuff for about a month or so now , and have plans of replacing 2 of my electric stove top burners with HHO when i get all the bugs out and have it 100% safe ...
I also have plans of making a Heater unit ...
I have been using hho mainly for soldering and a cutting torch , do off the wall experiments here and there. right now the cooking happens to be one of those experiments ...
Thanks for the input
Jdcmusicman

Mark69 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:47:34 AM »

JD, I am very interested in your idea of making a heater with HHO. This is something I would like to do. I think this would be the best use with the way energy bills and all the talk about taxing energy more and more. Please keep us informed of any progress you make with it. Will the heater be a big furnace to heat an entire house???

Mark

jdcmusicman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:02:51 AM »

HI mark ,

Thanks for the comment man
A lot of the info I have learn by doing the cooking experiments can also be utilized for heater ..
So far I have been able to run a micro torch at 123 milliliters per min , with no flashbacks , even if the gas gets cut off ...It has took me the past month to get this data thru trail and error ...
The hole size for my tips are approximately .010 in size ..
I started with 5 , then moved up to 9 then moved up to 19 tips...
if you take the 123 ml per min and times that by the number of tips I can determine the lowest amount of gas the burner will burn with...example 19x123= 2337mlpm or 2.33 LPM ..if i want 50 it would be 50x123= 6150 or 6.15LPM ..this is the minimum gas i can burn..
I tested this calculation successfully up to 19 tips , i plan to higher soon..
But anyway my plans for heating will be for my house , if everything goes right , I hope to use hho this coming winter ....
If you want to check out my experiments with different tip numbers and stuff , i have several videos on youtube user name jdcmusicman
Just the 19 tips i have right now running about 3-4 lpm would make a great room heater ...

I will keep info posted as I discover it ..I would like to see more people getting involved with the heating/cooking aspect of hho ..
Thanks jdcmusicman

triffid · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2009, 10:57:45 AM »

I really am glad to see others here want to do cooking and heating with HHO.Its not the only way to go but its part of the solution.If a person can make fuel at home safely then his or her heating bills can drop a lot.I had two acres in arkansas where I set up two bricks,set an iron skillet across them,and cooked breakfast many times burning wooden twigs from a brushpile that was there when I bought the property.JD's setup brought back a lot of memories for me.I burned a lot of wood from that brushpile.I had cooked many a pan of eggs and bacon.I forgot to ask you JD what electrolyte you use in your homemade unit.I prefer baking soda solution myself.It is safe,safe,safe to use in the home.Triffid

triffid · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2009, 11:04:29 AM »

Baking soda solution is cheap too!Triffid

jdcmusicman · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2009, 04:23:27 PM »

Using baking soda is dangerous , it creates carbon monoxide and it greatly shortens the life span of your plates it will eat them up ....I use sodium hydroxide ,its safe , I probably have less in my electrolyte mix than they have in a bottle of dish washing liquid and it also used in some cooking recipes ..If used properly its very very safe ...not to mention when it has been run a while it turns into sodium hydroxide anyway ....and it really gunks up a cell .....2 thing I never put in my cells one is tap water and the other is baking soda ..

Mark69 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:00:16 AM »

Thanks for the info JD,

I will have to check out your videos, but for now a couple quick questions for you. Where do you get your electrolyte? and if you already mentioned i forgot, but do you use a drycell or what is your cell design? I would like to make a drycell like woodpecker's design.

Thanks,
Mark

jdcmusicman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:10:31 AM »

I use 100% sodium hydroxide and got it from Lowes ....
My cell is a dry cell form with 72 6"x6" plates split into 2 36 plate sections but all wired together running off rectified house current
304L 16 gauge stainless steel
I use 1/16" neoprene rubber 60- 70 durometer rated for a max of 214degrees F
1/2" high density cutting board for endplates
I use a top hole only design .

Woodpecker has a good design , pretty much most of the dry cells are basically all the same to some extent ...Most people use top and bottom holes , I prefer top only ..

Maybe this info will help ya man ..

Jdcmusicman

triffid · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2009, 05:45:20 AM »

Dear JD,you are the first to tell me that baking soda creates CO.But not the first to say it eats up the plates.I have heard of a soap solution once before being used as an electrolyte(automatic dishwasher soap).They changed the name.It was electro-lux I believe.Any way your experiments so far caused me to have a dream.I dreamed that someone started up a magazine called"HHO TODAY" and there articles and interviews in the magazine.So I was sad to wake up to find out it was just a dream.Nevertheless,I thought it was funny to have a dream about HHO When I never had dreamed about it before.To be honest the baking soda would have to be used up to release any CO.It would have to be broken down.And I had never heard of baking soda breaking down while in use for electrolysis.I know about the plates being eaten up so no arguement there.I figure just use cheap replaceable metal like wire coathangers.It took me watching your videos to trigger a dream about HHO.
So keep up the good work.You never know when a big breakthrough will occur.Triffid

triffid · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2009, 12:02:43 PM »

JD,after my last post here I realized the most voltage I have pushed through a baking soda solution is 18 volts DC.But you are working with much higher voltages(115volts).I have not done anything with baking soda soln at 115 volts.But I have done a lot with 18 volts and less.Really the ideal voltage is about 1.25 volts per cell or just a little bit less(1.12 volts).So I was never in a hurry to use household voltages.Triffid

Mark69 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2009, 06:34:51 PM »

JD,

I started watching your videos, I like your safety valve idea on the bubbler. I have a bunch of questions if you don't mind answering. Where did you get the neopryne gasket material you use between the plates? Is there a reason you used 304 stainless instead of 316? How is your cell wired; positive at one end and negative at the other or every few plates did you alternate a positive and negative? What size hole did you drill into the plates? Are your end plates material better then using acryllic/plexiglass (can handle higher heat?)? If they do handle heat better, where did you get that material from as well?

Thanks,
Mark

Definitely like the idea of using the output stream to run a wheel to turn a generator!!! genius!!! Looking forward to video on electrical info.

jdcmusicman · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2009, 07:13:55 PM »

@Triffid
Although I am using house current , I have never use baking soda in a big cell , only in 12 volt applications , and my per plate gap voltage is always between 1.9 and 2.5 volts per plate gap..
My big cell is 72 plates , I have only have 2 connections ...
I have also so found that the sweet spot for my cell or any cell that i have built is 2.03 volts per plate gap..
I get the highest electrical efficiency at this voltage ....

@mark
I got the neoprene rubber off ebay from a guy named rubbermann7 .
I use 304 or 304L because it is cheaper , but the reason is I only have 25 dollars in the steel in my big cell, I got it from a recycle center , I only get stuff that is marked that way I know what I am getting..
I also not had any problems using 304 ,my electrolyte stays clean ..
I only have 2 connections one + one - ..
The hole size in my plates are 3/8"
I don't use acrylic because it expensive and plus its not compatible with sodium hydroxide ..
My end plates are Super High Density Polyethylene 1/2" cutting boards
Heres a link for them :
http://www.cuttingboardcompany.com/cuttingboards.asp?id=1

Thanks
jdcmusciman

triffid · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2009, 08:45:12 PM »

For those of you wanting to go cheaper,thrift stores and garage sales are a good place to haunt.Just take a small magnet with you to select high qualiity stainless steel(magnet will not stick ).Cutting boards turn up too.I haunt these places too and see lots of possibilites.If you want to save time and have plenty of money garage sales and thrift stores may not be for you.I usually have more time than money.triffid

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