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Author Topic: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power  (Read 21045 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« on: April 17, 2009, 08:17:13 PM »
Have a look at this video.

Here is a guy, who just hinders the flow of electrolyte
through his
HHO Dry-Cell StackGenerator  and it increases the amount of generated HHO
at the same input power !

So better use also a vavle to slow down the water-electrolyte fluid
through the flow-through-bubbler...

Also you get less foam bubbles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqPMvEKTC3o

So that is an important new finding !

Many thanks to this experimenter.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 08:30:51 PM »
Here he uses a
12 Volt airpump for filling car tires
to pump additional air into the top of the Bubbler
and so he can make the HHO flame much bigger.


Could be a good method to get the right
mix of air and HHO to feed this directly into an IC engine !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdRyXIYKDIA

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 08:35:46 PM »
Here he uses the same thing again to show,
how to cook water faster !

He uses a spiral copper pipe with some holes in it for
some flame outputs.

When he starts the airpump the flames get bigger and the water
cooks faster.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNcAawe6MM


Very good !

Regards, Stefan.

Offline TheNOP

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 06:43:50 PM »
those are great tips.  8)

thanks hartiberlin

P.S.
in my opignion, this tread wort being a "sticky"


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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 11:50:19 AM »
This compares to what Boyce did by only half filling his large cell with electrolyte. 

My initial impression was that, 'What was the point of using only half the surface area of the cells - why not save money and simply use smaller plates?'.

However, I've had a rethink.

The key thing is that even if the electrolyte is not completely flooding the cells, they are still wet.

By dropping the electrolyte level, as long as the electrodes have first been wetted, there is far less surface tension from water to hold the bubbles between the electrodes. With air spaces between the electrodes, the evolving gases are free to rise unhindered by the surface tension of water and therefore do not necessarily form bubbles. Furthermore, if there are actually 'air' gaps between the plates, there is no energy being wasted forming ions of water that recombine back into the water molecule before it can react at the electrodes.

As long as the electrodes remain wet, and as long as there is enough electrolyte on the surface of the electrodes, then (in my opinion) this has to be more efficient than a standard flooded cell.

The more you think about it, the more it makes sense.

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2009, 02:41:07 AM »
hello,
kinda new here. Ive been experimenting with the Bedini pulsed system for just a short time. I try to read as much on this forum as possible.  Im willing to do the reading and experimentation.  Can anyone help me and let me know how a dry cell works. I see videos and plans on building and using using them but dont understand the functionality of them. If not, just a point in the right direction as to where to look if its already posted in other threads.  Is there a difference in performance between the drycell and a submerged electrode system? Thanks in advance

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 03:50:53 AM »
hello,
kinda new here. Ive been experimenting with the Bedini pulsed system for just a short time. I try to read as much on this forum as possible.  Im willing to do the reading and experimentation.  Can anyone help me and let me know how a dry cell works. I see videos and plans on building and using using them but dont understand the functionality of them. If not, just a point in the right direction as to where to look if its already posted in other threads.  Is there a difference in performance between the drycell and a submerged electrode system? Thanks in advance

the difference between submerged cells and a "dry cell" is that the dry cell is enclosed so that the edges of the cell do not touch water. the submerged is obviously open. you should be able to see this in your diagrams.  the reason why i believe is still in speculation unless a test has been done that i have not seen. they say that the edges of the electrodes will "leak" current but in a dry cell there are no edges to "leak" its like a arcing effect supposedly. my thoughts are that the electrical current takes the easiest path. arcing is less of a strait line and as such carries much more resistance. but dry cells appear to be easier to maintain and for that reason is why i like them.

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2011, 11:09:51 PM »
Hi guys when adding electrolyte like baking soda does the gas burnt fumes becomes dangerous?
Thanks

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 09:13:48 AM »
Sodium Bicarb- as far as i know the only problem Ive told is its releases alot more CO (carbon monoxide) which is dangerous indoors.

As far as plates the plates go. How many are keeping their bipolar plates bipolar in terms of metals? Say if your using nickel/titanium electrodes. wouldn't it make sense since the neutral bipolar plates are positive on one side, and neg on the other to make each side correspond in plate material too? So you always have titanium faces on the negative side and nickel on the positive? Seems like it would make intuitive sense, and help add to the reaction per plate gap.

My designs have been built around that. The only thing I noticed is the resistance can be increased so the material used in the neutrals must be half as thick per side to equal one standard plate. Just wondering if that would help optimize things a bit more. i havent seen nor heard of anyone else doing this.

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 05:20:13 AM »
This is a great post. Great links!
I've searched everywhere but cannot find an exact answer for this:
What is the relationship, if any, between water speed vs gas output during electrolysis?
If you move water fast enough between 2 electrodes, will it no longer produce hydrogen and oxygen gas? Perhaps with very fast moving water, electrolysis stops? The test above does indicate that fast moving water may inhibit electrolysis. But I want more information.
 
 

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 03:49:33 PM »
I posted my thoughts in a thread, figured i would post it here as well.

A turbine connected to the cell would capture energy from the bouyancy of the gasses that are created. And with the back pressure created , this would most likely be best for pure hydrogen split versus an hho split. None the less a turbine would spin from the bouyancy of the gases created, and the turbine can turn a PM generator to produce wattage. This wattage could be dumped back into the cell. the turbine would be reclaiming energy from the flow of the gasses and not the split itself. The bouyancy can be seen as a waste energy result of splitting. And the turbine captures and reuses that energy. This is the same effect you get from an EFI turbocharged ICE engine.

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Re: Optimising HHO Dry Cell output at the same input power
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2014, 02:04:52 AM »
 :-\ could possibly be true but also think about this....less flow to cells increases heat and possibly you are getting more output but unfortunately could be hot steam gas and not hho


 

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