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Author Topic: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.  (Read 10115 times)

Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2009, 08:28:42 AM »
 The alcohol (through wick)are burnt and the wick are not burnt.

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2009, 08:29:49 AM »
No offense intended but that argument would be like saying that since you can't return the batteries you purchased to the store, you don't have to allow for the energy inside them in your equation.  Or, that since the batteries were already made anyway, their energy does not count.  I mean this in a constructive way and I am not trashing your idea.  Thinking is good.

Bill

Sounds like our old friend Lawrence Tseung's type of reasoning? Perhaps they are related?

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Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2009, 08:48:16 AM »
No, I know nothing of Lawrence Tseung's theory.

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2009, 08:57:52 AM »
No, I know nothing of Lawrence Tseung's theory.

No offense, Zhang. Just that you both seemed to have the same mindset. Lawrence's problem is not to take into account of the potential energy used to position a pendulum at some starting point (above the lowest equilibrium position) before letting go. His physics is flawed.

You also conveniently did not include the previous work done .....
You won't get too many people on this forum listening to your deluded arguments either.

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Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2009, 09:14:19 AM »
The work used is smaller  than the energy gained.

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Offline Philip Hardcastle

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2009, 04:32:51 PM »
Hi Zhang,

I drew this diagram.

let us imagine that the water evaporates and no water gets in from the rain, then eventually the vessel becomes buoyant and does some work and then refills etc.

The point is that work is done evaporating the water.

Similarly work must be done in evaporating alcohol regardless of whether it is burnt at the top.

The action of a wick is not capable of rising a liquid so high unless that liquid is volatile.

In essence you are right, there is a mechanism to do work from the thermal energy of the water.

Your idea is a bit like the Ether bird toy that has alcohol (ethanol) inside. It tips over when the alcohol is displace by vapour pressure and the beak (covered in felt as a evaporative cooling device) tips into water and thus cools the alcohol vapour to condense back to liquid to thus restart the cycle.

Phil

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2009, 01:33:04 AM »
Hi Zhang,

I drew this diagram.

let us imagine that the water evaporates and no water gets in from the rain, then eventually the vessel becomes buoyant and does some work and then refills etc.

The point is that work is done evaporating the water.

Similarly work must be done in evaporating alcohol regardless of whether it is burnt at the top.

The action of a wick is not capable of rising a liquid so high unless that liquid is volatile.

In essence you are right, there is a mechanism to do work from the thermal energy of the water.

Your idea is a bit like the Ether bird toy that has alcohol (ethanol) inside. It tips over when the alcohol is displace by vapour pressure and the beak (covered in felt as a evaporative cooling device) tips into water and thus cools the alcohol vapour to condense back to liquid to thus restart the cycle.

Phil

Actually, the bird has methylene chloride inside.  You can see my video here where I use this bird to pulse my supercap led Joule thief circuit.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYhNw6SuTfA

Bill

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Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2009, 08:57:41 AM »
Yes, You're right. But what I really wanted to say is that the potential energy is unlimited whatever you can use it or not. If you have  patience to read my theory, refer to  the following article  please.

The definition of potential energy is not correct and the conservation law of mechanical energy is faultiness for the following reasons. 
Potential energy can be converted into kinetic energy, the resistance removed. Otherwise, the kinetic energy can't be changed into potential energy at all. Mechanical energy is just produced by the movement of objects according to the definition of it.
Force is the cause to change the movement of the objects by the first law of Newton. Therefore force is the real source of mechanical energy. 
The force (outside force) is limited. However, gravity is a special force which is unlimited.   
As a result, mechanical energy can be divided into two types; one is called kinetic energy (limited) the other potential energy (unlimited). 
Potential energy of objects is unlimited because it got from gravity, and it is general knowledge that gravity is eternal. 
Gravitational potential energy of objects is created by gravity. If there is no gravity, the potential energy will disappear. 
At present, the potential energy is generally agreed that it comes from the movement of objects being taken from low to high.
But people have ignored that the kinetic energy has already been consumed during the period of movement. 
The movement of objects takes place depending on the force acted on.
Without force acting on the objects maintain static.
Even with equal forces from opposite directions act on each other, they can't move as well. Gravity is just in this condition. 
The potential energy is always equal to the weight of objects no matter the objects is low or high.
Potential energy will be zero only when the gravity disappears. In the absence of resistance, the potential energy will be released to do work. 
The formula of potential energy: U = mgh, U represents work more suitable than energy. 
In a word, force is energy itself or a form of expression of energy just like the electric energy, the heat energy and so on. 
According to the following formulas: W=F·S, F=ma=1/S(E2-E1), Work or energy is made up of force while the quantity of force is measured by work or energy.
The force consumed has turned into work; unconsumed, energy.

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2009, 09:49:13 AM »
Hi Zhang,

Your theory is, I think, wrong.

Firstly your claim is that potential energy is unlimited.

Clearly the mass of the Universe is not infinite therefore strictly speaking potential energy from gravity, as you put it, is also limited. However I agree it is incredibly massive.

You say force is energy, at least that is the impression you give.

Force is not energy as you point out yourself by W=f.s

Force is variable in the case of a lever and yet the energy product on one end is the same as the other, ie big force x small distance = little force x big distance.

My problem is Zhang that you may have some deep point to make but you need to rewrite it to make it clear for mere mortals like me to resonate with.


Phil

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2009, 09:57:46 AM »
Thank you. But my English is too poor to express my thoughts as well as Chinese.

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Offline chrisC

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 10:14:05 AM »
Thank you. But my English is too poor to express my thoughts as well as Chinese.


Your English is probably good enough but your Physics is suspect, maybe even mixing a dose of Chinese philosophy with Physics! Oh well, maybe you'll turn out to be the next Einstein.

Maybe you should reach out to Lawrence Tseung and perhaps explain what's really in your mind. His English is quite good and his Chinese flawless, however he is deluded in his Physics and needs to take medication in order to stay sane!

cheers
chrisC

Offline Zhang Yalin

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2009, 10:22:59 AM »
I hate Chinese(9999/10000) more than you. I won't talk to him.

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2009, 10:32:57 AM »
I hate Chinese(9999/10000) more than you. I won't talk to him.

Wow! I didn't mean to upset you or put any division between you and your countrymen. My apology indeed.

IMO, people are the same in every race. it's their personalities that make them irksome at times. Sorry, got to go to bed. It's 1.30 am on Sunday!

cheers
chrisC


Offline AquariuZ

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2009, 12:04:02 PM »
   
您好張,

您是否嘗試過使用谷歌翻譯?

您可以翻譯成英文的漢字。

你可以找到這個工具在這裡: http://www.google.es/language_tools?hl=en

最好的問候,

阿爾克馬爾

Offline Philip Hardcastle

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Re: A simple experiment that to prove the potential energy is unlimited.
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2009, 12:49:06 PM »
@Pirate,

You are quite correct that it was not ethanol, it was about 40 years ago that I saw one.

The boiling point would obviously need to be lower than ethanol to be dramatic.

Thanks for your correction.

There was also a device called a love meter where there were 2 chambers in a sort of bone shape. Boy held one end and girl (whatever) held the other end and which way the colored liquid flowed loved the other more. It bubbled at body temp and as you say it was not ethanol.

Of course such devices as the Ether bird could be considered free energy, I wonder how much energy they could output? Imagine a flock of them!

Phil

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