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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 830718 times)

CLaNZeR

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #405 on: April 11, 2009, 07:53:04 PM »
Knocked up a Bhaskara's Indian Wheel today. I know it is meant to have lots of little ball bearings, which I have to order but for now using a couple of small bearings in each slot.

Got some magnet ideas I want to try with it when it is mounted.

Off to make the base and uprights and will start a new thread to cover progress if any LOL

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #406 on: April 11, 2009, 07:58:43 PM »
@mondrasek,

Thanks a lot. However, if that's freewheeling, then it seems to work just fine, unless there's still someting hidden which acts as a motor. Can you check it out? Thanks. (see attached)

Omni, that is messed up.  What you posted is NOT the same file that I posted.  When I open your attachment the balls are in different locations and there is an immediate collision error.  Did you change something or play with it before sending it back?

I downloaded what I had posted and it was fine.  I am attaching it again as a different file.  Maybe it became corrupt in download to you?  Or else it has to do with the version of WM2D you have vs. what I have?

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #407 on: April 11, 2009, 08:10:26 PM »
@mondrasek,

Yes, I moved one ball up and put it on the first upper empty groove. This is the starting position which will cause the wheel to turn clockwise. That's the only thing I changed.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #408 on: April 11, 2009, 08:10:30 PM »
AquariuZ, question, how did you know that the white circle was the axle?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #409 on: April 11, 2009, 08:11:22 PM »
Sure, you know the post where you asked aquariuz if he was a fellow traveler following a star in a desert for 40 days, since he had the alpha and omega in his name. That was you wasn't it?

No, you must be confusing me with someone else. Sorry.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #410 on: April 11, 2009, 08:29:48 PM »
Hi Omnibus. Sorry I had to go back and try to find it. The quote was from Grimer;

"Who am I? A man from the west who has been following a star across the desert for 40 years. When I see a handle which begins with alpha and ends with omega what else should I think but that perhaps I have met a fellow traveller on the same journey."

Grimer isn't that a free masonry quote? From a possible member to another?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #411 on: April 11, 2009, 08:40:43 PM »
... isn't that a free masonry quote? From a possible member to another?

Revelation 1:8, King James Bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_and_Omega

(Now back to your regularly scheduled topic.)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #412 on: April 11, 2009, 08:57:09 PM »
@mondrasek,

Yes, I moved one ball up and put it on the first upper empty groove. This is the starting position which will cause the wheel to turn clockwise. That's the only thing I changed.

Omni, I guess in doing so you also broke one of the constraints.  The system thought the ball you moved was also supposed to be in collision mode with the wheel.  Since it was sitting on the wheel you had two objects occupying the same space at the same time.  So the sim blew up.  If you want to fix that sim, first click the ball (so it is selected), then hold shift and click the clear wheel (now both the ball and wheel should be selected).  You then go to the top pulldown menu "Object" and select "Do Not Collide".

If you are wanting to learn WM2D, please PM me the questions.  Or start a WM2D users thread.  I don't see why we should clog this thread with WM2D Q&A.

Fixed file attached.

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #413 on: April 11, 2009, 09:01:15 PM »
Hi Omnibus. Sorry I had to go back and try to find it. The quote was from Grimer;

"Who am I? A man from the west who has been following a star across the desert for 40 years. When I see a handle which begins with alpha and ends with omega what else should I think but that perhaps I have met a fellow traveller on the same journey."

Grimer isn't that a free masonry quote? From a possible member to another?

Wot! Me a mason? That's a laugh. ;D

Reminds me of the time when I was in a crisis meeting with Pilkingtons in no mans land (a Birmingham hotel) I was resisting their introduction of GRC (glass reinforced cement) pointing out that our research showed that after 5 years it had lost all its ductility and would fail. Long technical argument - unresolved. Their product champion, Dr.B. tried to browbeat me into agreeing with their interpretation of the results. I said,

"You're entitled to have your opinion Dr.B but you must allow me to have mine."

At which point he went ballistic, and finished up screaming,

"I'll hound you Grimer. I'll hound you. I'll hound you..."

Then he burst into tears.

One of the other Pilks scientists diplomatically suggested we adjourned.

I was told later that while we were all having a pee, Dr.B had said to our Head of Chemistry, Dr Gutt,

"That Grimer, he's a communist isn't he?" (I wore an astrakhan hat).

"No," said Gutt. "Far from it, he's a catholic."

(needless to say, after 5 years it did all fail)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #414 on: April 11, 2009, 09:05:10 PM »
dam keyboard.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #415 on: April 11, 2009, 09:05:20 PM »
Omni, I guess in doing so you also broke one of the constraints.  The system thought the ball you moved was also supposed to be in collision mode with the wheel.  Since it was sitting on the wheel you had two objects occupying the same space at the same time.  So the sim blew up.  If you want to fix that sim, first click the ball (so it is selected), then hold shift and click the clear wheel (now both the ball and wheel should be selected).  You then go to the top pulldown menu "Object" and select "Do Not Collide".

If you are wanting to learn WM2D, please PM me the questions.  Or start a WM2D users thread.  I don't see why we should clog this thread with WM2D Q&A.

Fixed file attached.

M.

It just started with a rotational speed of -0.700 rad/s (hehe)

If you set the circle and slots to say v=-0.100 rad/s you see something nice. Not acceleration though but very nice still. Playing with balls I am...

@Persume WHAT white circle?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #416 on: April 11, 2009, 09:09:01 PM »
Grimer,

How confident are you in your analysis with regards to:  http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Sjackcycle.jpg ?

If you are highly confident, can we start another thread so we can get more opinions from others with like analytical capabilities?  It is currently over my head, but I once could speak thermodynamics.  Just might could have to dust off the cobwebs and become more educified.

Thanks,

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #417 on: April 11, 2009, 09:14:14 PM »
It just started with a rotational speed of -0.700 rad/s (hehe)

Of course!  Energy was added to the one ball to raise it up into the slot at 2 o'clock.  That energy is now spinning the wheel.  But is there enough energy in the system to lift a second ball into a slot at 2 o'clock?

Lift anything up and it will fall again.  But how to lift one thing up while another of equal mass falls the same distance and still have energy left over?

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #418 on: April 11, 2009, 09:18:49 PM »
AquariuZ you said the white circle in the logo ( you have it pictured in black on a modification you did ) was the axle of the wheel.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #419 on: April 11, 2009, 09:55:56 PM »
Grimer,

How confident are you in your analysis with regards to:  http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/Sjackcycle.jpg ?

If you are highly confident, can we start another thread so we can get more opinions from others with like analytical capabilities?  It is currently over my head, but I once could speak thermodynamics.  Just might could have to dust off the cobwebs and become more educified.

Thanks,

M.

Confident enough to discuss the thinking that underlies the analysis and I have no objection to you starting another thread to discuss it.

I am happy to answer questions and discuss things in a polite and calm manner. However, my experience of most forums, especially loosely moderated ones, is that when one introduces radically new viewpoints (like gravity being a vertical wind blowing steadily downward for instance) it so disturbs peoples view of things that discussions quickly dissolve into slanging matches.

And I've been in quite enough of those on the Steorn Forum.

I have been reading the history of the Bessler wheel. It provided plenty of examples of the kind of vitriolic opposition radically new ideas engender.