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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 442543 times)

Offline spinner

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2009, 08:46:53 PM »
Just gotten off the (mobile) phone with Sjack Abeling, he was calm, very polite and informative.

Where to start:

IT IS REAL
Excellent! Let's all hope it really is...

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He has a partnership with Henkel for the glue techniques and Erik (Engine/Turbines/Generators) has the commission for the generators.
OK, good for the generator firm... I can't understand the Henkel's glue techniques involvement...

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Money is not the real issue, he has core investors.The Patent(s) are handled by a commercial company, and he is confident they will be accepted. The word Perpetuum Mobile or infinity is not used and should not be desired.A basic agreement is made with the Ministry of Economic affairs.
Sounds reasonable & possible...

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It is all exactly as stated. The core of the system is the Dual Leverage System as described. He says it works with an incredible acceleration from stand still and the main engineering issue is the correct way to keep the system from destroying itself, in other words containment via some form of advanced braking system. He said that is what is he spending most of his time on right now.
OK, the "way to keep the system from destroying itself" - this sentence is a total nonsense.
If we're really talking about a gravity(+inertia+CF+other known rotational dynamics forces) wheel , It will absolutely be self-limiting in performance (rpm, torque, all the forces..).
No self destruction... Unless if the thing is made out of a fragile materials, like glass (why would anyone wants to build it from glass???)....

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He was sorry he could not divulge any information yet, but the investors will not allow him to present anything as a stipulation of their providing Venture Capital. He said however that the moment he gets the ok he will start a tour across schools for starters. He mentioned that he would update the site with what he could, but in the short term (weeks) no full disclosure is to be expected.
Sounds fair... If he really has at least a working prototype...

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I do not know if I should laugh or cry because on the one hand after having spoken to him I am convinced he is for real and on the other hand I really fear his invention will be bought & suppressed by a some corporation...

It is too early to tell.

Yes, we'll see.
BTW, thanks for your research, I hope you'll find more about this invention!

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2009, 08:46:53 PM »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #76 on: April 06, 2009, 09:18:50 PM »
Hi all, its alot easier for myself to make a quick vid on some tid bits from the news clip rather than type it all out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiDGQJ0ASgw


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2009, 09:26:30 PM »
Hi X00013,

Have you got an opinion about the round holes in the discs later on in the video? I dont see them in the bit you pointed out....

regards,

Dutchy

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #78 on: April 06, 2009, 10:17:35 PM »
Dutch you are right it is two not three, it was a cover from the side.

I have just send a lenghty SMS to Sjack expressing my concerns and basically stating that I fear that once the concept is out of his hands it will never see the light of day in a commercial environment. Sure, he will be a rich man, but this will not benefit mankind or the environment. However that, if he chooses to go public he will certainly gain more income and fame -not to mention even the possibility of a Nobel Prize- than he ever would in just selling the invention. (The standard Corporate tactic). Furthermore if he publishes under his own name he will get 100% credit, replications can be made worldwide and full implementation of the system will follow shortly after. Just a thought.

Lastly I reminded him of the option of securing all plans with a notary if an unexpected calamity would occur so that at least the plans are secure. I urged him as well to come and have a look here on overunity.com and hopefully provide some updates.

I will not contact or "harass" him again until he contacts me, I gave him my phone number.


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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2009, 10:28:13 PM »
OK, the "way to keep the system from destroying itself" - this sentence is a total nonsense.
If we're really talking about a gravity(+inertia+CF+other known rotational dynamics forces) wheel , It will absolutely be self-limiting in performance (rpm, torque, all the forces..).

In theory it would be limited by the (freefall) speed of the weight i.e. until the speed of the wheel matches the freefall speed of the weights. A large wheel spinning at those speeds? what are we talking here, 30000 Rpm? What do you think will happen to such a wheel? Can it be contained?

This is the issue why there needs to be a failsafe throttling system.

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2009, 10:28:13 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2009, 10:49:54 PM »
So again with no proof we are supposedly to accept. Right....

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #81 on: April 06, 2009, 11:00:03 PM »
So again with no proof we are supposedly to accept. Right....

I feel your pain. All I ask you to accept is that he exists, that he has found something, and that he is on the level. It is frustrating nevertheless. At least he is Googleable now.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #81 on: April 06, 2009, 11:00:03 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2009, 11:09:52 PM »
@ Dutchy, yea, looks like five holes, maybe to balance?, just a guess. I would love to get my hands on some more video or pictures.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #83 on: April 06, 2009, 11:28:08 PM »
@ Dutchy, yea, looks like five holes, maybe to balance?, just a guess. I would love to get my hands on some more video or pictures.

Maybe insertion points for the weights?

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2009, 11:32:08 PM »

In theory it would be limited by the (freefall) speed of the weight i.e. until the speed of the wheel matches the freefall speed of the weights.
Hmm, if speed of the wheel equalizes with the free-falling weight,  then where the driving torque comes from? What drives the wheel to that speed?
And how big that wheel should really be?

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A large wheel spinning at those speeds? what are we talking here, 30000 Rpm? What do you think will happen to such a wheel? Can it be contained?

This is the issue why there needs to be a failsafe throttling system.

A LARGE (heavy) unbalanced wheel spinning at 30kRPM? No, thanks... (not made of glass, i hope?)

Well, that would certainly not be a gravity driven wheel... ;)



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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2009, 11:32:08 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #85 on: April 07, 2009, 12:35:49 AM »
@AquariuZ,

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All I ask you to accept is ... that he has found something, and that he is on the level.

On what grounds are you asking us to accept that he has found something let alone that whatever you think he has found is remotely noteworthy?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2009, 02:18:09 AM »
Aquariuz
Thank you for bringing this to our attention

Big names involved
 
Dutch gov't involved

Thanks for researching and sharing

looking forward to more news on this

Chet




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CONCEPT GUESS NUMBER ONE
« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2009, 02:48:33 AM »
I might as well start guessing.

Racking my brain reading the clues over the past few days this is my initial try... The weights are connected via bars like the things used in weightlifting (Dutch: "Halter"). The wheel consists of two layers with slots. The halters effectively connect the two wheel layers... To get the "D" type action, some form of static barrier must be placed between the two wheel layers, which will stop the bars connecting the weights from going past the six o clock position, effectively pushing the welter in an upward motion, shot putting the halter (two weights connected with a steel bar) from the six o clock position into the twelve o clock position on the other side. Pow. The halter lands between twelve and one o clock and falls into place where gravity takes a hold.

There are 16 slots on each wheel, each "Tube" has two slots, one halter per tube so a total of 8 halters for the system.

Here a quick wm2d model I made, yes, it is full of errors but hopefully you will see what I am trying to say. This is the view from one side, you should see the spheres as only one part of the halter. I have made only 8 slots, as the full 16 would be too intensive for now. Funny thing is that the slots look somewhat like boots (as in the video).

Model download http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=yz59m4y7wqd

It is 1.34Mb zipped.

Needless to say the barrier stops the weights in this model whereas in the real model the bar connecting the weights would be stopped. For motion display purposes I use a motor at -0.20 rad I would not dare to presume to create an entire working model of the actual system because this is simply not possible with this software.

Hopefully I will be able to make a more complete view soon. Looking forward to suggestions.

Edit: this is what I mean with halter, it is a dumbbell weight

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2009, 07:05:57 AM »
Aside from the fact that the video provides no information as to the essence of the claim, it contains something else curious. There’s an expert invited to assess the claim who ends his statement quite accommodatingly with “we physicists never say never”. This caught my attention, as an unusually soft statement – this is in front of a tv camera after all -- from the viciously adversarial world of the physics community towards anything remotely resembling perpetuum mobile (some may recall the report on my visit to the physics department in Oslo university after seeing Reidar Finsrud’s perpetuum mobile).

So, the apparent air of open-mindedness made me decide to see if it would be possible to set up a meeting with this honorable colleague and I looked up in a search engine to find out who prof. Eric Bergshoeff is. As it turns out, appropriately so from societal point of view, the tv station had invited an university professor whose main scientific interest has been, in essence, the nature of gravity, as can be seen from the list of his 135 peer-reviewed publications: http://www.bergshoeff.fmns.rug.nl/publ.pdf . So far so good. A closer inspection of the papers, however, reveals that all prof. Bergshoeff has dealt with during obviously all his career has been to apply the general theory of relativity (GTR).

I don’t know what Sjack Abeling has done and prof. Bergshoeff doesn’t know either. Therefore, we wouldn’t be able to discuss anything regarding Sjack Abeling perpetuum mobile should the good professor agrees to a meeting with me.

However, I know very well that general theory of relativity is an invalid theory because the theory which it is a continuation of, the special theory of relativity, is a categorical failure. Thus, what would really make sense to talk about during a meeting with prof. Bergshoeff is to show him that he has wasted all his time up until now in pursuing chimeras in physics. And that will be true even if there are contributions in prof. Bergshoeff’s papers to pure mathematics because pure mathematics as an end in itself is not a subject matter of pursuit in a physics department. This would be even worse to tell a professor in academia concerned about his career than trying to persuade him that perpetuum mobile is real (which it is, regardless of the outcome from Sjack Abeling experiment).

On the other hand, no matter how polite I would be during such a meeting it would be immoral if I did not state clearly what I stated above. Maybe even add that he should probably go back to the tv station and apologize that his expertise on gravity is based on a bogus theory which he has believed all his life but now has found is fallacious. That would be the day! Such behavior is only up to exceptional people of historical significance and I really don’t know how close to that prof. Bergshoeff is.

So, we are in a bad shape. On the one hand we have a whole department (center): http://www.rug.nl/natuurkunde/onderzoek/instituten/ctn/organisatie/index full of bright people who with full certainty are wasting their time 100% while the society perceives them as reliable scientists. On the other hand we have the likes of Sjack Abeling, more of a gold-digger than anything else (why otherwise the games he is playing), who may be onto something while hiding in his barn. The former is institutionalized provable nonsense, the latter a betting game. We are really in a bad shape.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2009, 07:17:11 AM »
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However, I know very well that general theory of relativity is an invalid theory because the theory which it is a continuation of, the special theory of relativity, is a categorical failure. Thus, what would really make sense to talk about during a meeting with prof. Bergshoeff is to show him that he has wasted all his time up until now in pursuing chimeras in physics. And that will be true even if there are contributions in prof. Bergshoeff’s papers to pure mathematics because pure mathematics as an end in itself is not a subject matter of pursuit in a physics department. This would be even worse to tell a professor in academia concerned about his career than trying to persuade him that perpetuum mobile is real (which it is, regardless of the outcome from Sjack Abeling experiment).
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That's fighting talk Omnibus - Give to 'em, hot and strong.  ;D
(Needless to say, I agree with you Babcat's 110%  :o )

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