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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 461182 times)

Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2009, 11:15:27 AM »
That's what he is claiming. I think that is crap too.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2009, 01:18:40 PM »
"Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant"
Hmm, it sounds like "A Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow"... Nice!

It would be wonderful if it's true. If we forget about all the theoretical problems which make such a discovery very ... questionable.
Ah, never mind. It's just a conventional stuff mantra, not very usefull on the sites like this... Who really cares...
...
As always, the real proof is still missing, no? Something which undoubtedly works, or at least shows a real possibility...

It's good to see that inventor speaks very optimistically about his invention. How all the energy problems will be solved, how his company  will be soon the biggest provider of energy, how the prices for electricity will drop for at least 50%(lol), etc, ...

I'd say - good luck! We all hope that this will indeed be a successful project!
.....

But (as usually), there are some things which makes me "a little suspicious" wrt this claim...

For instance,
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Abeling Beheer has been given permission by the Dutch government to construct Weight Power Plants in The Netherlands,
and it has been given permission to connect these plants to the current infrastructure.
The system does not cause any damage to the environment so there is a major chance that Abeling Beheer will become
the largest producer of energy both inside and outside Europe. Abeling Beheer will use the name "Mooie Energie" (Beautiful Energy).
We hope to establish a solid base for sustained growth in 2009!

How is it that the Dutch government already issued a permission for building/implementing the "Weight Power Plants" ??? Supposedly, inventor is the only one who knows how his invention works. This is a revolutionary concept, with unknown consequences...
What if it somehow affects the Earth gravity/spinning? What if it drains some other, unknown energy source? What if it's making a trans-dimensional breach, a gate, wormhole.. A tiny black hole (gravity condensation) on the other site of our planet? (Close to where Hans lives?)  ;D

So, how is the government so sure, that this gravitational plant isn't going to cause some weird events? Giving a permission without any serious (scientific, official) tests being made? That would be something unimaginable....
...

According to the inventor, there are "enormous forces" involved in the process... So, what kind of glass (weights, structure?) is suitable for such tasks?
Any gravity wheel inventor normally uses strong - dense and cheap materials... As high as possible specific weight together with as low as possible price...
It's up to you whether you'll use rocks,.. canisters filled with water,sand.. concrete,.. glass,.. brass,.. iron,.. lead,.. or even gold, platinum (depends how big investments you got),.. osmium, tungsten...

I'd use glass (and other transparent plastic materials) for building a proof of a concept (demo) device..
Small power, no hiding,... As transparent as possible... Either way, it would never satisfy the skeptics... Hehe...
....

Ah yes, "one of the 10 devices will power 17,000 homes" (i hope i got this right?)....  This means 17000? Uau...
(btw, comma is a decimal sign in Europe, does that means "only" 17 homes)? Still impressed!
With 1kW/home (a very optimistic estimate) average power, it means +20 MW power plant.
( it's actually more like a 50MW power plant considering the normal/average el. consumption data...).
Yep, no more big hydro, no pollution caused by fossil fuel thermal plants, and no more fission nuclear, no radioactive/toxic waste problems....

Yep, another candidate for a close encounter with "MiB".. (we all know that MiB's and similar pest somehow always find out and stop any FE achievement )...
 
Who would really need a cheap, clean, abundant,...  energy source? Really...
...

Oh, dear... If this is true, the Human race has at least one of a big problems solved...


I'll keep my eye on this invention... Who knows? Maybe...

Cheers!


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2009, 02:40:12 PM »
I couldn´t stand it anymore and called his home and got his father on the phone.

I apologized for the intrusion and asked if I could speak to Sjack. "No he is working. Back at around six."

Please do not start callng him en masse I will try once more in about 4 hours and post reaction.

Thanks for your opinions, I do not share the idea that this is somehow an elaborate hoax. There is simply no reason for that. A hoax would only destroy the inventors credibility and ability to continue working in this field.

Maybe one of the reasons he has not proactively sought media attention is exactly what we are seeing here: ridicule. Was I wrong in posting about him? Time will tell. No answers from Henkel or the Ministry of VROM as of yet. I have confirmation of my inquiry from VROM and a ref#. Claim is repsonse within two working days so Tuesday afternoon deadline.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2009, 02:50:26 PM »
I couldn´t stand it anymore and called his home and got his father on the phone.

I apologized for the intrusion and asked if I could speak to Sjack. "No he is working. Back at around six."

Please do not start callng him en masse I will try once more in about 4 hours and post reaction.

Thanks for your opinions, I do not share the idea that this is somehow an elaborate hoax. There is simply no reason for that. A hoax would only destroy the inventors credibility and ability to continue working in this field.

Maybe one of the reasons he has not proactively sought media attention is exactly what we are seeing here: ridicule. Was I wrong in posting about him? Time will tell. No answers from Henkel or the Ministry of VROM as of yet. I have confirmation of my inquiry from VROM and a ref#. Claim is repsonse within two working days so Tuesday afternoon deadline.

Hey thats interesting, wander what he will say to you? If his wheel really work, is it the same as Besslers? Did Bessler mention anything about a fall and lift mechanism?

Alex


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2009, 03:09:25 PM »
The video is what ,one year old?
he has been busy!!

Chet

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2009, 03:09:25 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #65 on: April 06, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »
Hey thats interesting, wander what he will say to you? If his wheel really work, is it the same as Besslers? Did Bessler mention anything about a fall and lift mechanism?

Alex

Alex, I really do not know. If I knew how Bessler did it I would be in my workshop right now...

lol sorry i'm getting carried away, cant wait to see what he says when u next ring

Alex
« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 07:30:22 PM by Alexioco »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2009, 03:15:45 PM »
The video is what ,one year old?
he has been busy!!

Chet

He sure has been quietly planning & gathering support, which makes it all the more interesting. (As opposed to the hello world approach).

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2009, 03:15:45 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2009, 03:46:38 PM »
all that I can say is if you take a look at this picture

http://mooieenergie.nl/images/stories/ab3.png

Newsflash: the white circle represents the axle.


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Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2009, 07:42:45 PM »
Just gotten off the (mobile) phone with Sjack Abeling, he was calm, very polite and informative.

Where to start:

IT IS REAL

He has a partnership with Henkel for the glue techniques and Erik (Engine/Turbines/Generators) has the commission for the generators.

Money is not the real issue, he has core investors.The Patent(s) are handled by a commercial company, and he is confident they will be accepted. The word Perpetuum Mobile or infinity is not used and should not be desired.A basic agreement is made with the Ministry of Economic affairs.

It is all exactly as stated. The core of the system is the Dual Leverage System as described. He says it works with an incredible acceleration from stand still and the main engineering issue is the correct way to keep the system from destroying itself, in other words containment via some form of advanced braking system. He said that is what is he spending most of his time on right now.

He was sorry he could not divulge any information yet, but the investors will not allow him to present anything as a stipulation of their providing Venture Capital. He said however that the moment he gets the ok he will start a tour across schools for starters. He mentioned that he would update the site with what he could, but in the short term (weeks) no full disclosure is to be expected.

In closing I asked if he would want to say anything to the members on this forum:

"Volhouden, het is zeker mogelijk" which means:

"Persevere, it is indeed possible".

I do not know if I should laugh or cry because on the one hand after having spoken to him I am convinced he is for real and on the other hand I really fear his invention will be bought & suppressed by a some corporation...

It is too early to tell.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2009, 08:00:11 PM »
Hi Aquariuz,

Thanks for ringing him! I have one question: Did he somehow release any indication about the source he's tapping. My personal guess is the centrifugal force, which accelerates the weight outward. (he states that as well!)
It might be that the weights accelerates outward through a curved pathway and then later on drops down the second half of the pathway. But how does he get it to return to the starting position?

regards Dutchy. 

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Update: CONTACT WITH SJACK ABELING
« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2009, 08:02:01 PM »
Just gotten off the (mobile) phone with Sjack Abeling, he was calm, very polite and informative.

Where to start:

IT IS REAL

He has a partnership with Henkel for the glue techniques and Erik (Engine/Turbines/Generators) has the commission for the generators.

Money is not the real issue, he has core investors.The Patent(s) are handled by a commercial company, and he is confident they will be accepted. The word Perpetuum Mobile or infinity is not used and should not be desired.A basic agreement is made with the Ministry of Economic affairs.

It is all exactly as stated. The core of the system is the Dual Leverage System as described. He says it works with an incredible acceleration from stand still and the main engineering issue is the correct way to keep the system from destroying itself, in other words containment via some form of advanced braking system. He said that is what is he spending most of his time on right now.

He was sorry he could not divulge any information yet, but the investors will not allow him to present anything as a stipulation of their providing Venture Capital. He said however that the moment he gets the ok he will start a tour across schools for starters. He mentioned that he would update the site with what he could, but in the short term (weeks) no full disclosure is to be expected.

In closing I asked if he would want to say anything to the members on this forum:

"Volhouden, het is zeker mogelijk" which means:

"Persevere, it is indeed possible".

I do not know if I should laugh or cry because on the one hand after having spoken to him I am convinced he is for real and on the other hand I really fear his invention will be bought & suppressed by a some corporation...

It is too early to tell.

wow, sounds promising, it would be interesting to find a way to let it keep spinning, getting faster and faster without it destroying itself. I'm really looking forward to this, I cant help but dream of letting the wheel spin, go to bed, get up the next morning to still see it spinning :D

Alex


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2009, 08:09:08 PM »
Hi Aquariuz,

Thanks for ringing him! I have one question: Did he somehow release any indication about the source he's tapping. My personal guess is the centrifugal force, which accelerates the weight outward. (he states that as well!)
It might be that the weights accelerates outward through a curved pathway and then later on drops down the second half of the pathway. But how does he get it to return to the starting position?

regards Dutchy. 

That is exactly it... Cannot disclose sigh...  :-X :-X :-X

Eventually someone is bound to come up with something workable using the acceleration path as a starting point.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2009, 08:17:47 PM »
That is exactly it... Cannot disclose sigh...  :-X :-X :-X

Eventually someone is bound to come up with something workable using the acceleration path as a starting point.

Hi again,

Just had a look again at the video on youtube and noticed something strange. At first when he walks into the shed you can see the wooden wheel in the background. You can see alot of slots (like spokes) going from the center outward. So I thought the weights have to take that path......  BUT ...later on in the same video, when they show the wheel being moved by hand, I can see completely different slots in the wheel.....????

Have a look... Are these two different wheels????

Second thing I noticed is that there are basically two discs making up this system..... Could it be that the paired weights are not in the same disc but somehow transfer the gained energy from one disc to the adjacent one?
Like...two disc, two weights paired, one in each wheel.....

Regards,

Dutchy

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #73 on: April 06, 2009, 08:21:00 PM »
Hi again,

Just had a look again at the video on youtube and noticed something strange. At first when he walks into the shed you can see the wooden wheel in the background. You can see alot of slots (like spokes) going from the center outward. So I thought the weights have to take that path......  BUT ...later on in the same video, when they show the wheel being moved by hand, I can see completely different slots in the wheel.....????

Have a look... Are these two different wheels????

Second thing I noticed is that there are basically two discs making up this system..... Could it be that the paired weights are not in the same disc but somehow transfer the gained energy from one disc to the adjacent one?
Like...two disc, two weights paired, one in each wheel.....

Regards,

Dutchy

Look again, there are THREE discs with different slots carved in, I have counted 16 slots (look at the numbers). Somehow he manages to let weights freefall into the slots and ride up on the other side through momentum.

I would love to start building, but I have no idea what to do...


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2009, 08:33:49 PM »
Look again, there are THREE discs with different slots carved in, I have counted 16 slots (look at the numbers). Somehow he manages to let weights freefall into the slots and ride up on the other side through momentum.

I would love to start building, but I have no idea what to do...

Sorry, I cant seem to make out three discs.... I see two discs in the beginning of the video (having likely 16 slots indeed). Later on there definately is another setup and I can see lots of cup size holes aswell.....

Can you tell me at how many minues:seconds into the video you clearly see three discs?


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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