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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 461183 times)

Offline AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2009, 06:31:18 PM »
Just another interesting thing to note: The water management application.

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The invention of the Weight Power Plant (In Dutch: "Gewicht Energie Centrale") provides us with a system for the generation of ultra durable energy. As physicists claim there is no such thing as "free energy", we have to assume that the power/energy generated by the system is provided by the earth's gravity. The system can be used to generate electricity by driving a generator, but it can also be used, for example, to transport huge amounts of water to elevated terrain.

Abeling Beheer has been given permission by the Dutch government to construct Weight Power Plants in The Netherlands, and it has been given permission to connect these plants to the current infrastructure. The system does not cause any damage to the environment so there is a major chance that Abeling Beheer will become the largest producer of energy both inside and outside Europe. Abeling Beheer will use the name "Mooie Energie" (Beautiful Energy). We hope to establish a solid base for sustained growth in 2009!

Water management comes second. Sjack Abeling considers:

    * Fresh water management, e.g. for producing fresh water out of sea water (desalination).
    * Seawater management, e.g. for moving huge amounts of water.
    * Groundwater management, e.g. to manage the water table.

So sure this is kinda hypie when he claims that there is a major chance that he becomes the largest producer of energy in Europe. But if the Fall & Lift works like he describes he will be unless he is stopped.

 ENERGY  from  GRAVITY 

Let it be true

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2009, 06:35:07 PM »
Aqua
he makes reference to having Gov't approval [seems very hard to get]
Perhaps like in the USA [gov't approval]this is public knowledge,  an EPA or DEC ETC... equivalent in the Netherlands
More likely to make some phone calls for an article /research  you are writing [may be Jib guy or Esaroucho [writers of articles for the FE movement[ESA is in Finland]should get involved
 
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2009, 06:49:27 PM »
Aqua
he makes reference to having Gov't approval [seems very hard to get]
Perhaps like in the USA [gov't approval]this is public knowledge,  an EPA or DEC ETC... equivalent in the Netherlands
More likely to make some phone calls for an article /research  you are writing [may be Jib guy or Esaroucho [writers of articles for the FE movement[ESA is in Finland]should get involved
 
Chet


Yeah, good point. In this case he would need approval from VROM (The Ministry of Housing, Spatial Planning and the Environment (Ministerie van Volkshuisvesting, Ruimtelijke Ordening en Milieu).

On it, will ask the same question as Henkel.

Edit: Done. I have launched an official request to VROM. If they deny I can launch a Wob which is comparable to a FOIA request.

We will know in a few days either way.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2009, 07:32:05 PM »
Aqua
very nice ,its hard to work with Gov't and perpetrate a fraud [unless you an inside guy/crook}
you could also querie the local building dept and get in touch with the inspecter /engineering firm overseeing the project

Chet


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2009, 08:44:42 PM »
I think this is entirely possible. Mass (inertia) is a property of matter, not matter itself. If you speed up a body its mass (inertia) increases, not the number of atoms, the amount of matter in the body.

Also consider rotation. If you fill a black box with running gyros then by fixing them or allowing them to be free within gimbals you can make enormous changes to the rotational inertia - and if you didn't know what was inside the box and thought of it as a inert lump you would think that its "mass" had increased.

When I was in British Government Scientific Civil Service I wrote a paper which pointed this out.Needless to say it got me into a heap of trouble ::) - as you would expect. My appeal against being suppressed went all the way up to the head of the Home Civil Service, Sir Robin Butler, (now Lord Butler) and I'm probably breaking the Official Secrets Act by telling you this - but I'm past caring.  8)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2009, 08:50:00 PM »
GRIMER

Seems you are not alone in your feeling

Chet

Noord TV Report on Abeling device

http://mooieenergie.nl    

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2009, 09:12:00 PM »
GRIMER

Seems you are not alone in your feeling

Chet

Noord TV Report on Abeling device

http://mooieenergie.nl    

Thanks for the link, very interesting - and as he says, it could have been discovered hundreds of years ago - but wasn't. Bit like my discovery of the equations of state for water vapour.

http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/strange.html

They could have been discovered early in the last century. All the data was freely available in the International Critical Tables but no one looked at it in the right way cos they where hogtied by erroneous theories.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2009, 09:34:07 PM »
Below are a couple of relevant paragraphs I've copied from
Iterative Hierarchical Mechanics N103/87

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These equations may be interpreted as folows. Increase in the speed of an inertial body relative to its environment  (characterized by an environmental speed) is accompanied by a tranformation of the internal velocity, v, into an external velocity u. In other words the external kinestic energy is derived from the internal kinetic energy, or in simpler hierarchical terms, exteranl motion is derived from internal motion. Clearly this is a more mundane and intelligible explanation with the change in inertia with increasing speed than that normally given, an explanation moreover that is fully in accordance with the behaviour of a substance at a higher scale as exempified by the kinetic theory of heat.

In effect inertial substances are seen as active, not passive; as containing servo-mechanisms, force amplifiers. The energy put into accelerating a body is merely a control energy which is proportional to, but at non-relativistic speeds, a minute fraction of the total energy needed to overcome inertial effects. As the speed of the body reaches speeds comparable with the characteristic field speed the servo-mechanisms become less and less effective until at the speed of light all the energy has to be applied from external sources.
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Cheeky? No 'alf. If true it tears the guts out of modern physics.

But a gravity mill will do that on its own.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2009, 03:32:43 AM »
all that I can say is if you take a look at this picture

http://mooieenergie.nl/images/stories/ab3.png

And you remember the sword of god and what we were trying to accomplish with the rods ...

This is the same exact pattern that Archer Quinn was trying to show us so if you believe this deal or if it comes true then Archer Quinn is not such a quack after all cause this was the design in which Dusty, redriderno22, and a few others were working on....

Done with just weights well... There you have it  it should work with the rods then as well or I would think a slight modification would provide the same results.

I'll stick to solar and wind power for now but keep pluggin away for those not interested in tried and true technology.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2009, 05:31:16 AM »
Done with just weights well... There you have it  it should work with the rods then as well or I would think a slight modification would provide the same results.

Not just weights, the pairs are part of an encapsulating system.

From the FAQ:

"The weights are applied two by two: one weight is pushing/falling, the other one has to be lifted. Due to the invention of the dual lifting system , the falling/pushing weight will hardly be hindered by the weight that has to be lifted.

In the top left of the system the weight is accelerated (like with shot put). The weight is moving faster than the system, and as the system catches the weight it is propelled forward. The path of the weights in the system is determined up front so the weights are always in a fixed position relative to each other and that will reduce the drag of the lifted weight on the falling/pushing weight. The system will start rotating from any position. Extra force is generated in the lower left of the system and on top it is transferred to the system itself, generating the extra energy. If the system would fail to catch the propelled weight, the weight would be ejected from the system with force."

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2009, 07:06:09 AM »
I think he was just being "conservative" and yes of course in a monetary based economy everyone will want to make a "buck".

But I tell you what, he (from what I understand) is about to disclose his theory -hopefully in full- so nothing stands in our way to replicate the wheel for ourselves and benefit from it. There will be tons and tons of green waiting so he will not lose anything by disclosing.

The major theorem disclosure is overdue for about five days now, reminds me a bit of Steorn... But in fairness I value him higher than Sean McCarthy at this moment in time. I cannot explain it, but there is something about him that makes me (want to) believe...

Adding: apparently the core system will be made out of glass. How interesting...

I had to search all the way back through the thread to find this reference to glass.

Why glass?

Well, if you are polarizing inertia (=mass) with big flywheels then you have to make them out of something strong. Glass fibre is strong and that would explain the presence of Henkel on this project cos they make the adhesives that would be the other component of the flywheel.

Also, glass is an insulator so you don't have electrons sloshing about wasting energy

Some Australian did some work on rotating metal spheres falling under gravity but the results he got were barely significant. I shall have to look him up.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2009, 07:32:56 AM »
Henkel is a German company primarily a manufacturer of washing powder (Persil) and detergents with glue and fibreglass manufacturing companies bought in over the years. Sales €13.07 billion (2007)

I seriously doubt their involvement with a backyard enterprise of this sort and the ramshackle prototypes shown in the video.

The guy's approach is clearly visible, it is an old approach towards a Bessler wheel that has never worked.

Just another scam I'm afraid, I will be most surprised if it is more than that.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2009, 07:36:23 AM »

Some Australian did some work on rotating metal spheres falling under gravity but the results he got were barely significant. I shall have to look him up.

@ Grimer,

I think you are referring to Bruce de Palma, an American, who did work in that area in New Zealand.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2009, 07:44:05 AM »
@ Grimer,

I think you are referring to Bruce de Palma, an American, who did work in that area in New Zealand.

Hans von Lieven

http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000/DePalma1.html

Well done. You beat me to it. ;D



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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2009, 07:50:27 AM »
Henkel is a German company primarily a manufacturer of washing powder (Persil) and detergents with glue and fibreglass manufacturing companies bought in over the years. Sales €13.07 billion (2007)

I seriously doubt their involvement with a backyard enterprise of this sort and the ramshackle prototypes shown in the video.

The guy's approach is clearly visible, it is an old approach towards a Bessler wheel that has never worked.

Just another scam I'm afraid, I will be most surprised if it is more than that.

Hans von Lieven

I agree that the video is not encouraging - but let's not be snobbish. Mylow wasn't very encouraging either but he had obviously done his homework on HJ.

As far as Henkel being involved I thought I read somewhere in this thread or the links that they were.
I'll have to see if I can find it.

http://mooieenergie.nl/index.php/en/home/1-bedrijfsinformatie/5-glasaanhecht

Found it. :)

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