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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 430473 times)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2340 on: January 30, 2011, 03:07:14 AM »
Sorry, Ralph, I am guilty of provoking Omni...

I had some free time to tease him...

It won't happen again, I promise! 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2341 on: January 30, 2011, 03:19:19 AM »
The negative torque data I posted is not obtained by using WM2D but by a very rigorous, alas tedious calculating of the total torque for each position of the wheel. It is good that those who do not understand the scientific argumentation, let alone have their own contributions, restrain from posting here. They should continue to do so. Otherwise the important stuff will sink into gibberish, as sometimes happens, unfortunately.

As to why no one so far in the forum has been able to make a working machine, the answer is simple, everyone who tried is working under substandard conditions, thus cutting his throat. What else is new? Making a machine such as this one, which needs fine-tuning, is difficult but not as difficult as, say, making an Intel processor. If you disagree, go to your garage and use @Dusty's tools to make one. I admire @Dusty for his great persistence and skills but even he, sorry to repeat, is working with infrastructure that isn't up to the task. This is not to mean I blame him but the proper infrastructure and resources are fully controlled by the powers that be who not only don't want to hear about perpetuum mobile but will drown it in a drop of water if they could.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2342 on: January 30, 2011, 03:34:06 AM »
The negative torque data I posted is not obtained by using WM2D but by a very rigorous, alas tedious calculating of the total torque for each position of the wheel. It is good that those who do not understand the scientific argumentation, let alone have their own contributions, restrain from posting here. They should continue to do so. Otherwise the important stuff will sink into gibberish, as sometimes happens, unfortunately.

As to why no one so far in the forum has been able to make a working machine, the answer is simple, everyone who tried is working under substandard conditions, thus cutting his throat. What else is new? Making a machine such as this one, which needs fine-tuning, is difficult but not as difficult as, say, making an Intel processor. If you disagree, go to your garage and use @Dusty's tools to make one. I admire @Dusty for his great persistence and skills but even he, sorry to repeat, is working with infrastructure that isn't up to the task. This is not to mean I blame him but the proper infrastructure and resources are fully controlled by the powers that be who not only don't want to hear about perpetuum mobile but will drown it in a drop of water if they could.

(Sorry, Ralph..)

Oh, you silly Omnibot...... When you'll be prepared to take a lesson, starting with nr.1 ?

1) 1+1=?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2343 on: January 30, 2011, 03:46:33 AM »
The machine under discussion is a viable machine and, given the proper infrastructure, can be turned into a working gravity motor. That's the conclusion from this whole discussion. The problem now is to find ways to set up proper conditions for its making. That I will continue repeatIng no matter how much someone whose postings are worth as much as his promises tries to silence it.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2344 on: January 30, 2011, 09:00:05 AM »
Thread started on April 03, 2009
We are almost 3 yr's later and i have seen NOTHING from this Abeling TWAT.
I did found however that they are going to build TWO new nuclear reactors in Holland.
Make of it what you want  :)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2344 on: January 30, 2011, 09:00:05 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2345 on: January 30, 2011, 09:05:13 PM »
Ask yourself this question . If you were in charge of energy policy in The Netherlands , or the UK or anywhere else , before committing trillions of dollars to nukes , with attendant problems of waste dangerous for the next 250,000 years ,wouldn't you take a quick look at what the cold fusion boys are doing in Italy?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2346 on: September 13, 2012, 06:30:32 PM »
I'm with Omnibus. I think Sjack Abeling's works.


He hasn't given up on it as you can see from the following link


http://mooieenergie.nl/index.php/en/component/content/article/1-bedrijfsinformatie/12-nbnov2011[/size]

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2347 on: September 13, 2012, 06:37:36 PM »
Indeed, scientific reasoning trumps showing a device that doesn't work. When scientific reasoning proves that the principle is workable, as in the case at hand, presenting an unworkable device doesn't overthrow that scientific reasoning.
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That's what I like to hear. The appliance of science as that advertisement (whose product name escapes me) used to trumpet.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2348 on: September 14, 2012, 10:47:07 AM »
Grimer is that really you? Sampled any Greek atmospheres lately? You should check in once in a while at the other place, people have been wondering about you.

 ;)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2349 on: July 07, 2013, 07:00:08 PM »
Grimer is that really you? Sampled any Greek atmospheres lately? You should check in once in a while at the other place, people have been wondering about you.

 ;)
My Greek atmospheres are doing fine, thanks, especially the Beta-atmosphere. I can now tie up some work I did very early in my career


http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111674#111674


with the Mizuno effect, catalysis, Uncle's toy and that monster that the Boys from Brazil are building.


As far as Sjack is concerned I see from his latest posting that he hasn't given up.


http://www.mooieenergie.nl/news/the-green-revolution-has-begun/


I believe his problem is that though he may be developing third derivative energy, it just ain't commercial. The Brazil boys have the same problem of course but they don't care. It's been some time since they updated their website so presumably they are having difficulty getting it all together.
Still, if their smaller machine works they will no doubt persist.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2350 on: June 24, 2016, 03:58:51 PM »
It seems like they still working on it.

http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2351 on: January 07, 2017, 07:43:15 PM »
Thanks for that update on  SJack ABeling's gravity wheel.


I've always believed that SJack is harvesting higher derivatives of position with respect to time.
What's holding him up is an adequate understanding of where the energy is coming from, namely, earth reaction or Ft, force multiplied by time, 3rd derivative energy.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2352 on: January 20, 2017, 07:01:31 PM »
 "The working prototype is located somewhere else."? What? = Scam.
Greetings.

I was surprised to see a search on Abeling receiving "0" hits.

So, long overdue as he is about to go ballistic. (I think)

In November of 2007, an unknown dutch inventor made the rather outlandish claim he had found a way to rotate and accelerate a large wheel by using twin weights and earths gravity as only propulsion. At the time this was merely ruled a hoax.

See the dutch media (local) coverage here: Noord TV Report on Abeling device Edit: added Broli´s version with subs

After that it has been very quiet around Sjack, until a few months back he created a company Abeling Beheer B.V. and started a website which explains his intentions:

"The construction of the first Weight Power Plant is expected in May 2009. The location for the construction of the first Weight Power Plant is probably going to be the province of Groningen, the Netherlands."


and

"The Fall and Lift control system. The invention of the "Fall and Lift control system" was done towards the end of 2006. The system transports, controls and transmits mass/weight to (for instance) a drive shaft. This system was the foundation for a machine that can work on weights/mass only, without adding any form of energy. It's purpose is to drive other objects."


Abeling claims he now partners with reputable businesses like Henkel and has all the approvals needed to go ahead with the project.

Link to the bi-lingual webpage: http://mooieenergie.nl

He appears to be a cool customer, not at all media hungry, and has quietly filed his patents, raised capital and signed partner agreements.

Time will tell if he is 100% legit, his claim is that he will be able to provide power to the general public with at least a 50% discount against current regular provider rates. I think that still is too high, 95% would be better.

My questions to all in here are:

1) What do you think?
2) Have you heard anything about this?
3) If this is a "scam" why pursue it further now that he has all he needs?

My thoughts are that he truly has found a way to generate acceleration using weights and gravity only, or at least HE is 100% convinced.

I have sent him a message of encouragement, warning and a plea for full publication as soon as possible.

 

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