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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 473164 times)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2310 on: January 25, 2011, 10:52:13 AM »
Sorry to say, but the design concept is almost as old as humanity, and without any chance of a success...

But I can understand that some of you need to find out that all by yourself.

So, Good Luck!





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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2311 on: January 25, 2011, 11:24:38 AM »
I agree, the design has merit. The problem is how to decrease friction.

Ah, geee...

If I can provide you with a zero loss environment and equipment, how much power would you possibly been able to squeeze out from that (naive) concept?

The answer is very easy.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2312 on: January 25, 2011, 01:55:12 PM »
Producing excess energy is a matter of principle and science isn't interested in how much excess energy is produced. Any amount of excess energy produced, even very small, violates the principle of conservation of energy. In a zero-loss environment production of excess energy is inherent in this well-known design. By the way there's no guarantee that a working wheel based on this or a similar principle hasn't been made sometime in the past but has been suppressed. So it's better not to resort to statements that it has never been done to justify beliefs that a working machine of this kind can never be made.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2313 on: January 25, 2011, 04:20:31 PM »
In a zero-loss environment production of excess energy is inherent in this well-known design.

In a zero-loss environment, most of the devices on the "unworkable devices" website would also work. We could get all kinds of devices to work in a zero-loss environment. Damn you losses!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2314 on: January 25, 2011, 04:24:40 PM »
The site for the unworking devices is to be ignored by anyone interested in scientific argumentation. The fact that someone called Dsimanek doesn't understand that some of these devices are not unworking doesn't make them unworking.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2314 on: January 25, 2011, 04:24:40 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2315 on: January 25, 2011, 04:31:24 PM »
The site for the unworking devices is to be ignored by anyone interested in scientific argumentation. The fact that someone called Dsimanek doesn't understand that some of these devices are not unworking doesn't make them unworking.
indeed, the fact that they don't work is what makes them nonworking...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2316 on: January 25, 2011, 04:40:18 PM »
The site for the unworking devices is to be ignored by anyone interested in scientific argumentation. The fact that someone called Dsimanek doesn't understand that some of these devices are not unworking doesn't make them unworking.

The reference to the site is in response to your "zero loss environment" statement. If there was such a thing, those devices could possibly work.

Your statement "these devices are not working doesn't make them unworking", makes a lot of sense. Can't argue with logic like that. :)

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« Reply #2316 on: January 25, 2011, 04:40:18 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2317 on: January 25, 2011, 04:44:54 PM »
The fact that they don't work only indicates that someone has been incapable of making them work. The fact that someone has no talent or infrastructure to make a workable machine workable doesn't prove that the machine is unworkable in principle. Hwere's the proof that someone called Dismanek can make a workable internal combustion engine, for instance? Placing an unworkable internal compustion engine in the museum of unworkable devices doesn't prove that internal combustion engines are unworkable. It only shows that Dsimanek is a charlatan and has to be ignored to say the least.

Making something is one thing, scientific principles and logic quite another.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2318 on: January 25, 2011, 04:47:53 PM »
The fact that they don't work only indicates that someone has been incapable of making them work. The fact that someone has no talent or infrastructure to make a workable machine workable doesn't prove that the machine is unworkable in principle. Hwere's the proof that someone called Dismanek can make a workable internal combustion engine, for instance? Placing an unworkable internal compustion engine in the museum of unworkable devices doesn't prove that internal combustion engines are unworkable. It only shows that Dsimanek is a charlatan and has to be ignored to say the least.

Making something is one thing, scientific principles and logic quite another.
whether or not "someone called dismanek can make a workable internal combustion engine" or evidence of proof of such is irrelevant and nothing more than a red herring... internal combustion engines work...   ::)

that's cute how you reference logic while utterly failing to use it... been studying under q2?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2319 on: January 25, 2011, 04:52:56 PM »
The logic behind "these devices are not working doesn't make them unworking" is clear unless someone wants to twist logic. The museum is not set up to demonstrate a bunch of crap that doesn't work but to prove that the principle these devices are based on is unworkable. If general principles can be disproved by placing a bunch of unworkable crap in a compilation called museum then it's easy to disprove any workable principle -- just show how incapable you are and that'll do.

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« Reply #2319 on: January 25, 2011, 04:52:56 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2320 on: January 25, 2011, 04:58:06 PM »
Internal combustion engines work not because someone has made them to show you they work. They would work even if you haven't seen them work because the principles they are based on work. Same applies to perpetuum mobile. The fact that someone called Dsimanek cannot make a perpetuum mobile work doesn't at all mean that a working perpetuum mobile cannot be made because the principle for a working perpetuum mobile to be made works. No one has ever seen a Tokamak work but billions are still been poured in to make a working Tokamak because the principle it's based on works.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2321 on: January 25, 2011, 05:01:40 PM »
The logic behind "these devices are not working doesn't make them unworking" is clear unless someone wants to twist logic. The museum is not set up to demonstrate a bunch of crap that doesn't work but to prove that the principle these devices are based on is unworkable. If general principles can be disproved by placing a bunch of unworkable crap in a compilation called museum then it's easy to disprove any workable principle -- just show how incapable you are and that'll do.
LOL
::) the general principles these devices are based upon is what makes them unworkable. not the fact that someone has made a collection out of them...


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2322 on: January 25, 2011, 05:07:42 PM »
Someone called dsimanek has only proved how incapable he is to make a workable device. That's the only thing he has proven with the collection he has made. There is no proof provided by the individual dsimanek that the general principle these devices are based on is unworkable. And, how can he proce that since just the opposite can be proved, namely that the general principle these devices are based on is workable.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2323 on: January 25, 2011, 05:19:50 PM »
Someone called dsimanek has only proved how incapable he is to make a workable device. That's the only thing he has proven with the collection he has made. There is no proof provided by the individual dsimanek that the general principle these devices are based on is unworkable. And, how can he proce that since just the opposite can be proved, namely that the general principle these devices are based on is workable.

I think you are now starting to confuse yourself. The general principle these devices are based on is workable? Maybe they look like they can work. You may even be able to prove it scientifically, if you use the formulas you like, but in real life, they don't work.

Tell you what. You build a working model of one of the devices that he has on his site and I will start a petition for him to remove it from his site. I am sure you are more then capable of building one of these devices.

Wilby, not sure if even the double will suffice.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2324 on: January 25, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »
Someone called dsimanek has only proved how incapable he is to make a workable device. That's the only thing he has proven with the collection he has made. There is no proof provided by the individual dsimanek that the general principle these devices are based on is unworkable. And, how can he proce that since just the opposite can be proved, namely that the general principle these devices are based on is workable.

Your anger towards "dismanek" just proves that you don't have a clue about what you're preaching here day in day out... 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2324 on: January 25, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »

 

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