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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 453237 times)

Offline Alexioco

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2009, 01:19:55 AM »
This is really interesting, but its anoying how these things always get posponed, couldnt he show footage of it turning with the mechanism hidden? I'm taking this with a pinch of salt i think...

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A dutch contest...
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2009, 04:33:53 AM »

   ...between a past time thought-experiment(Simon Stevin -1586) and a present time real-experiment(Abeling Johannes-2008).

      The one and the other,as Dutchmen,play the same game with a serial of spheres in a loop-file.

      Long time ago(1586,"The Art of Weighting"),Stevin expressed with a concise design( a triangle/two different slopes+a "wreath of spheres") ,the unthinkable,unrealizable possibility to get a self-motion from gravity.

      Just now (2008,"Dual Lift System"),Abeling announces with a similar concise design,we can see on the front page of his web-site(a coronal,loop,wreath of spheres),the contrary:a possibility to get self-motion from the gravity power.

      So,here is an  idealistic-match between the past and the present.

                    All the Bests! / Alex

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2009, 04:58:19 AM »
Greetings All

 Unless some proof is shown. Even with a covered wheel. I see nothing to get excited about at this time. For there is no evidence for or against it. It could be someone taking a lead from another from Ireland. Allot of talk and no proof.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2009, 06:50:38 AM »
Several people need to contact the companies he says he is partnering with and ask them in emails if they are really in business negotiations with him.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2009, 09:00:47 AM »
http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Gravity_Motors
What is happend with this one?
G Force Rotational machine demo video posted - Since 1993, an Armenian inventor has been demonstrating his patented machine that harnesses static gravitational energy to turn a 3 meter diameter wheel that turns a 300KVA electric generator. Just release the brake, and off it goes. Commercial version expected in about a year. (PESWiki; Jan. 4, 2008)
or this:
Karra Green Energy's Gravitational Power Generation - Company from Syria has a patented static gravity motor design that they say could address the world's renewable energy needs, providing 24/7 energy up to 4 megawatts in size. We found out about them through their booth at the WIREC conference in DC last week. (PESWiki; Mar. 14, 2008)
Every time the same scenario - allot of promisings mixed with caginess ... and then? - NOTHING!
I do not make bones about - I dont believe any GravityWheel will ever work without external collaborative - it is just impossible,
but I believe that some another significant discovery will rise up from, like some kind of selfbalancing system ... or like useful gizmo for another machines.
When someone is building gravity machine then at least by my opinion it must to be built as finest mechanical art, as precise as possible, used the best of materials, as low as possible friction,.
the best of bearings, no slack somewhere, no flutterings, no crooked shafts ...  not from plywood and furniture fixtures ...
regards,
khabe

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2009, 10:27:45 AM »
Every time the same scenario - allot of promisings mixed with caginess ... and then? - NOTHING!

My biggest fear is the "sell out", the most common of cop (no pun) outs where a holding buys up a patent for a large sum of money, like has been happening with almost all innovative battery patents to prevent true electric transportation (can't stop it anyway)...

If left a choice I think almost anyone would choose money & life over fame & possible death. Look what happened to Jan Sloot, another dutchman. He created a new code base for compression purposes which was not based on the binary system (but could interface with it) and was able to compress digital media almost infinitly, fitting 16 dvd films on a single 64Kb chipcard with a single repository base of 370Mb, which could be used for any DVD. He died of a cardiac arrest one day before divulging the coding system. Needless to say he would have instantly obsoleted most established IT technology with this new code base, such a shame. Maybe a scam, maybe not.

If it makes you feel better I think Abeling is onto something, he is a real inventor who has worked on commission for many large companies like Shell & Philips, and holds several (non energy related) patents as inventor to his name. I can see no reason whatsoever why he lie about his weight system, unless he found out in a later stage that he or his measurements were wrong and he is now doing damage control.

As stated, this is a cool customer, anyone from the Netherlands will tell you that people from where he is from are not the screaming claims type but rather moderate and introvert.

I believe he believes he has something and for now that is good enough.

If anyone has ties to Henkel (German company?) they might try dropping a line and asking about a partnership with Abeling Beheer B.V. but honestly I do not see the point as they will not be allowed to talk about it under a standard non disclosure agreement or NDA.

I will try and get Abeling online in here but he is probably rather busy right now...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2009, 02:37:03 PM »

If it makes you feel better I think Abeling is onto something, he is a real inventor who has worked on commission for many large companies like Shell & Philips, and holds several (non energy related) patents as inventor to his name.



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Large OIL companies like Shell & Philips?   "BIG RED FLAG"!!  ::)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2009, 08:46:02 PM »
"As stated, this is a cool customer, anyone from the Netherlands will tell you that people from where he is from are not the screaming claims type but rather moderate and introvert."

Yeah I don't know where your getting that from but people are people no matter where they are from. I've worked for a Dutchman for a few years, he was anything but what you are saying and had no problem pulling some dirty moves in his younger days.

Also I did a patent check using his name and the only thing that comes up is that one patent that is still in standby status. If anyone has found anything different please post.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2009, 08:48:09 PM »

AquariuZ

Large OIL companies like Shell & Philips?   "BIG RED FLAG"!!  ::)

I really find no reason to hold that against him... on the contrary, it validates his expertise.
Again, why fake all this if you are a (appearantly) reputable inventor?

No response from Abeling Beheer as of yet by the way.
Found his phonenumber but not sure if he would appreciate my invasion of privacy.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2009, 08:55:39 PM »
Yeah I don't know where your getting that from but people are people no matter where they are from. I've worked for a Dutchman for a few years, he was anything but what you are saying and had no problem pulling some dirty moves in his younger days.

I am refering to people like Sjack Abeling who are from the province of Friesland, in the north of the Netherlands. Sjack is from Ter Apel, which is to the north-east of Hoogeveen.

As a dutchman I will allow myself to presume to know the typically accepted type casting for people from that area plus I have worked with several of them in the past.

Friezen are cool customers.

The typical dutchman who is the opposite of a "Fries" would probably be from the Zuid- or Noord-Holland provinces or the "Randstad", with some examples being, The Hague, Amsterdam & Rotterdam.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2009, 09:11:53 PM »
And I will tell AquariuZ "the Dutchman" that yes, the person I did work for did at one time live in Amsterdam, where he was originally from I don't know, but again, people are people and there is always someone in some location trying to pull a move. Always. So how about some links to those other patents you said he has because I haven't found any.

Here's some questions in the meantime. Why is he the only one who has seen the machine working, ( that's what the video says) and why does he say, we, and he says it several times when he talks about the power output and the fear of trying to contol it? So on the one hand it states only he, but he contradicts that by saying we.
Why hasn't he posted a covered up version just to show it moving?
And asking those companies only if the've heard of him is in no way hurting any supposed NDA they might have signed with him. I'll also point you to the fact that his wording in association with those companies has in no way made him liable for anything should he be a fake. He does not say those companies have a signed agreement with him, he does not say they know of his invention. All he says is they are the companies that will supply such and such methods and parts. He also says the one company is looking into tecniques, which is so vague it could mean anything. Like Steorn he has links that have nothing to do with the tecnology, and has a section where you can link your organization to him if you want. This suspicious because it can make him look more valid with other real companies and organizations seemingly holding his hand.

AquariuZ can you please post up the original website that video came from?


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2009, 09:25:57 PM »
Here's some questions in the meantime. Why is he the only one who has seen the machine working, ( that's what the video says) and why does he say, we, and he says it several times when he talks about the power output and the fear of trying to contol it? So on the one hand it states only he, but he contradicts that by saying we.


The translations is correct. This bothered me as well.

Your other questions are a bit useless.Why do you think we should justify his claim. His email is known please send those questions to him and if he responds share it  ;).

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2009, 09:40:19 PM »
No question is useless Broli. I want to know, I am asking. Simply questions, should be simple answers, unless they really aren't so simple. The answers or lack of answers will reveil a lot
Do you know where the original source for the video is? And where the other patents that I can't find are?


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2009, 09:42:52 PM »
No question is useless Broli. I want to know, I am asking. Simply questions, should be simple answers, unless they really aren't so simple.
Do you know where the original source for the video is?

Here's the source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSFjfWy1h4

You are allowed to know but you are asking these questions to the wrong people. We are not his associates. We know as much as you.

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