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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2009, 01:22:04 AM »
Thank you Stefan

Make it so H20

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #62 on: March 25, 2009, 12:49:40 AM »
H20 power
I can appreciate the fun part.This tech covers 4 maybe 5 fields of expertise?
If its to happen in this century [and you have ANY PART FIGURED OUT]
TIME IS SHORT, people improve and modify by our nature,we don't need a class we need results!! I'm not trying to be a schmuck here ,I just don't see the time frame for class's any more
And the geography of our country is not conducive to forming small groups[like some small European countries]
Hope you can clear up some foggy views here
Chet

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #63 on: March 25, 2009, 02:05:00 AM »
Ramset be honest what do you want from me ???
Do you see no value in learning, no value in independent thought ??? Just what do you want me to do ??? I can tell you this I am not doing like Stanley Meyer, but I followed all the rules. Through understanding we can make many systems that all work, not just one system that those that sell energy can block. If you think for one second that the power generation industry is just going to lay down and call it quits you have another thing coming.

From what I read in your response, looking between the lines, is you are unwilling to learn and want your Happy Meal right now! You nolonger feel the need to work for it, and let me tell you this something given has no value. Example I have posted this on many sites and always I get negetive feedback, sure I get some good feedback too, but the majority is negetive, why? Because I gave it away and ask nothing in return, but now that I changed that and ask that people learn and strive for understanding, people have no will for waiting and want the whole cake right now! What if I told you I did already, I put out all I know, would you belive me ??? No, you wouldn't for you would always think I was holding back wouldn't you ???

I really hate the micorwave generation for they have no will to live, can see no value in doing the work themselves, and always keep their thoughts into the furture never paying attention to what they are doing or where they are going. One of my college instructors put it best, "To ask the question of how long this is going to take is not the right question for time will go by anyway, for what they should be asking is when that time comes around where will I be?" Get too work, for I am not going to mess up the power of independent thought for anyone, and that you can count on.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2009, 10:04:57 AM »
H2opower
The powers that be used to concern me ,seeing what a mess things are in, it is hard for me to see their organizational skills
There are to many players in the powers that be game ,the world is like a big poker game with
very high stakes
Sorry I come across like I want a happy meal

Its the mystery of water I'm trying to get my head around

I go by some old rules
Onto whomsoever much is given ,much is required.
 give a man a fish he has a meal [and waits for you to catch another]Teach a man to fish,he doesn't need you anymore and will teach others

Throwing seeds around is good ,a few gardening tips might be helpful from time to time

Your contribution here and other places are great. I will study your posts some more to get my head around this. I don't want to run a car I want to make HHO to warm homes and grow crops and make power
Thank you for your help and focus
Chet

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2009, 10:30:56 PM »
to whom it may concern,

i have been studying stan meyers works for around a year now and i have figured it out.. and how to explain it in its simplest form of expresion.

For every question there’s an answer, for every answer there’s a question there the same in relation but there are two differences involved to get action, distortion and clarity. When you are born, distortion of all reality is at its highest. Its simple times of life, the beginning... the mind is not full of mixed signals created from experience that happens in time... its blind. As we go through life we find clarity in many things and it gives us a sense of enlightenment and or a sense of troubles... distortions and clarity can create gain working in opposition to each other. The gain is wisdom and the truth. One step forward towards the question, brings you one step closer to the truth. Hey it may be a bumpy road but its builds character. What shows the truth? Reflection. They make us walk in circles now days, surrounded by nothing but distortion. Some of us have intuition gods people... some have ignorance the devils infantry. There is so much truth in this .if you don’t understand it read it again and again. Since each time you read it, it shall bring you one step closer. To the truth, one step closer to intuitive instincts and also take you one step away from ignorance at the same time hey its duality vice versa!! life has to many variables and complexities to predict and prepare ahead of the time in most cases.. so the only thing you can do is BE prepare for the ride 24/7.. and in the present time of relativity it seems like it might get ruff. so hold on tight and dont shit yourself. the truth is im as real as they come these days haha.. what does your intuition say? i say bitch dont judge me see its vice versa lol

thats the theory of relativity in my words.. and stans tech  works off of the vice versa duality in nature..
that is the most important basic thing i think i will ever be able to write on paper in my life when it comes to lifes actions in there simplest forms that creates our complex life. from our perspective. its the dualitys of multiple forces that paint the canvas..  stan set up a controlled environment for specific duality forces.

i hope this can make a impact on the word.. einstiens theory of relativity e=mc2.... the C squared is determine by the speed of light. which is a variable determine by resistance, like when light travels through glass.. it slows down the light due to the resistive properties.so the constant rate changes..
people dont realize that power has a vice versa.. its vice versa positve and negative happen to be light and electrons.. they make us think theres just the force of electrons.. which is false..  they do so by saying current is what establishes pole orientation for north and south.. which it does.. but theres 2 ways to skin a cat.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2009, 12:03:59 AM »
Interesting,
In my studies the most simplest answer to Stanley Meyer's technology is; Under a controled state change the atmospher to one that is suitable for water combustion. The intake system of a car or most any other form of fossile fuel burning is a controled atmospher created by man to best suit combustion of that fuel. Water is no different when viewed for use as a fuel, for what happens when a fossile fuel injector doesn't atomize the fuel? That cylanders power is gone from the engine for the fuel wont burn when sprayed in by a stream. All the rules of using fuels apply to water as use as a fuel aswell, if you are to use it directly you must atomized it in a controled envirenment suitable to water combustion.

Hope that helps everyone to understand it all better,
h2opower.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2009, 12:30:48 AM »
Outlawstc
I actually did read that post over and over {liked it}

H2opower
Thank you for all your help here

I am quite sure, do to men like yourselves and others

THIS WILL NOT STAY A DREAM [of mine anyway] reality is so much better!!

Chet


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2009, 08:12:10 PM »
why is snow white? is a question asked by stephen meyer on the water for fuel radio blog..

this is the best answer i can comprehend in the present time.. snow is white because it is reflecting all the energy that hits it.. why? because when water goes into a expanded state it starts to reflect. whether it be hot or cold. clouds or snow. but when its cold the oxygen forms alot of little air bubbles in the snow which makes a crystal defect.. they are like a bunch of mirrors in the snow  multiplying and reflecting.. so maybe  the silicon content in the stainless when put under the mechanical stress during manufacturing is  causing crystal defects and is like a layer of snow on the stainless.. those defects can be doped under electrical mechanical stress?  if ones doped with light when its running at high voltage  the resonant positive plate creates the variability of the vacuum constant rate of einstiens theory..  the vacuum state of light.. tesla allways said that lower frequencys are more powerfull when it comes to power generation.  its all about balance.. the word amp scares us in stans work because we think its the only form of current.. ITS not.. when producing electric you will allways have a current its a action which requires trade!!!! when electric is allways being thrown out of balance it makes the copper atoms nucleus flop back and forth.. it is creating alot of turbulance for the trade of light and electrons.. it is also causeing the solid matter part of the atom to create friction.. so wires get hot..  but when theres a balanced bidirectional flow of electrons and light you create divinity in there trades.. the nucleus of the copper lines up it poles in a capacitive manner..so the turbulant amps is what we know of as the only type..  best example.. two 500 gallon tanks next to each other.. with a  5 inch pipe connecting them with a valve for isolation... we will call them tank a and tank b..   tank a has 1000 psi while tank b has -500 psi..   when you open the valve its not just tank a flowing into b.. they are flowing into each other.. vice versa ya know.. BUT a vacuum state is a mirror state of the pressure state.. if tank a is 1000psi and its mirror tank b is -500 theres not balance for non turbulent environment.. now you have a turbulent  trade!!! which causes heat and amps..  imagine tank a and tank b flowing into each other..  vacuum flowing to pressure.   pressure flowing to vacuum.. BUT tank a has more pressure so while there trading evenly at a 1-1 ratio tank a is turbulently rolling more high pressure towards the low tank.. it creates a turbulent current towards b and there for the roll is giving it a higher quantity trade to tank b in a relative timely manner.. everything in this world is predictable with advanced technology... just not as a whole..  we can set certain controlled states like stan did which are completely predictable.. for what we need to achieve and move one step further in life.. lifes all about trading and differences with balance in life one should trade in a evenly manner with the fellow man  at the least.. that keeps a neutral environment of peace.. keeping turbulence non existence..  but as the bible says the more you do for others you shall be repaid by 2?? its because we are suppose  to be crystal defects and when we reflect  we should be like the snow and multibly in potential... but they keep us doped with toxins to where we dont react propper they fill us with negativity to where we want to absorb all the light we receive. it makes us greedy in nature.. everything i have wrote the past couple day explains it all.. life if you dont see what i see which is the ultimate gift then keep reading what i wrote.. it will bring you one step closer.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2009, 08:23:40 PM »
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Interesting,
In my studies the most simplest answer to Stanley Meyer's technology is; Under a controled state change the atmospher to one that is suitable for water combustion

sure i could say that is the simplest way to say it as well if you already know. not when your sharing it with someone.. more or less a statement like yours that i quoted is just trying to justify smarts. . its like your painiting is distorted and mine has detail.. the more detail, the more truth is SEEN taking away the blindness of the curtains... when you see something enough it becomes familiar and when it becomes familiar it is more easily recognized when being seen in distortion.. like your quote..


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2009, 08:40:20 PM »
Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons or more off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.

What is your take on the math of the process? Am I right or wrong in your view? This assumes the worste case of the reaction, if done any other way will give higher energy yeilds. For what it all comes down to is energy flux density in this case I measured it in joules per mole. @ Outlawstc

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2009, 01:56:27 AM »
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Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons or more off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?” For you still have two more electrons to strip off.

What is your take on the math of the process? Am I right or wrong in your view? This assumes the worste case of the reaction, if done any other way will give higher energy yeilds. For what it all comes down to is energy flux density in this case I measured it in joules per mole. @ Outlawstc

i love it.. thank you very much for your insight.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2009, 02:11:00 AM »
Well
The two of you are GREAT!!

Thank you for taking the time to share your Knowledge [

Outlawstc
 yes when you know how ,you can recognize the science,when you don't,its like another language

The info you two have shared is breaking the language barrier

THANKS
Chet

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #73 on: April 01, 2009, 02:16:36 AM »
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The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.


i am gonna make a sugestion of change for words on a specific part.. "more energy then you put in"  thats not tru in a weird sense.. the reason you can separate them at such a high rate is the duality of nature it self.. while +1000 and -1000 may appear to have zero current they are really just trading off light and electrons in resonance (balance).. so it appears to be 0..the duality is it causes the atoms to want to go the other direction of the high voltage.. because opposite attract. 

the search for the truth shall bring you one step closer to clarity and one step away from distortion. it will also take you one step closer to intuitive instincts and also take you one step away from ignorance at the same time hey its duality vice versa!!

see my point where this explains overunity thats how voltage performs work its really reflecting another output at the same time. and that reflection of voltage performing work is 180 from what its going lol. its vice versa

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2009, 02:56:02 AM »
Yes you are right, but I am really talking in the terms in which the science guys can understand it. The energy found here is also the same energy found in a lightining storm, both you and I seem to know that. But the new form of what I like to call, "Tobacco Scientist," keep fighting this information. They fight it will Dr. Faraday electronlysis when it is like comparing apples to oranges. I sat down with a bunch of them and the question I gave to them was, "How does a lightining storm produce electricty?' They couldn't answer that question, and you and I know that is where this technology has it's roots. Mother nature has been showing us the way the whole time, even the way our very own bodies work is part of this technology, for it is mother natures way to make and sustain life. Took me a long time to learn that lesson.

The reason I said it's just changing the atmospher is we do it all the time. Any time you see and engine with a blower or turbo on it, or water/mist/methonal or nitrus oxide you are seeing changes being made to the atmospher to improove the engines performance. It is the same reason why an hho making device added on will also improve performance for blowers also take energy to run them and they do close to the same thing and that is adding in more O2. So anyone that reads this from this point on and says the hho devices do nothing, is siding with the new form of tobacco science guys. For now you know how to compare apples with apples, blowers and hho devices. When comparing them to turbos one can let the cars vacuum perform work on the hho device thus cutting down the amp usage to create the same about of hho gases, carbid tip and myself proved that one. But you will run into a runaway boil off of the water as the temps get higher for lowering the pressure also lowers the boiling point of water.

I'm going to enjoy breaking the chains of energy enslavement,
h2opower.

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