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Offline h20power

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #285 on: September 16, 2016, 08:28:00 AM »
Then lower the capacitance of each cell and reduce the number of cells and you should be in the ballpark.


I mean no disrespect but I got this, okay? It's been two years since I last posted here and in that time I got at the core science behind this technology and a lot more. The main thing that has changed in my view of things is I know it must be brought out by way of mass production now. I simply refuse to go along with people that want the world to build "One-offs" as that leaves too many in this world without this technology. Through True Green Solutions http://www.truegreensolutions.net/ I will attempt to do things the right way so that the technology can be affordable for the masses. It's going to take time as I have an uphill battle in trying to build the company from the ground up. Most in the Open Source community tend to be against my actions in trying to do this but I have too as these are the rules of the market and I already know there simply is no getting around them. That is something the Open Source community still has yet to learn.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #286 on: September 16, 2016, 05:26:52 PM »
I guess you know what you are doing Ed.  Hope you're right. 

If it were me, I'd assemble about 20 fully operational prototypes and give them away for peer review.  Those reviews will be the cheapest marketing you are going to find.  With thumbs up from all reviewers, only then would I consider mass production.

There are two rules you must follow if you continue on your current path:

#1  If you do not take care of the customer, somebody else will.
#2  The customer is always right.

Translation --  Nobody cares what you think you have.  You have to prove yourself to them.  They will happily beat you to a pulp if your product does not live up to their expectations.  One whiner will end any and all funding you otherwise might have received.  That's the cruel reality of "the markets" you speak about.  Bring your A-game or stay home.



BTW, these guys have far more complex technology; they're OpenSource too.  Buy theirs or build it yourself, either way everyone wins.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #287 on: September 16, 2016, 08:56:40 PM »
I guess you know what you are doing Ed.  Hope you're right. 

If it were me, I'd assemble about 20 fully operational prototypes and give them away for peer review.  Those reviews will be the cheapest marketing you are going to find.  With thumbs up from all reviewers, only then would I consider mass production.

There are two rules you must follow if you continue on your current path:

#1  If you do not take care of the customer, somebody else will.
#2  The customer is always right.

Translation --  Nobody cares what you think you have.  You have to prove yourself to them.  They will happily beat you to a pulp if your product does not live up to their expectations.  One whiner will end any and all funding you otherwise might have received.  That's the cruel reality of "the markets" you speak about.  Bring your A-game or stay home.



BTW, these guys have far more complex technology; they're OpenSource too.  Buy theirs or build it yourself, either way everyone wins.


Thanks for understanding. For the most part I will follow Elon Musk lead and build the company up and then start Open Sourcing things if I see no one is able to follow me. Right now it sure looks like no one is able to follow me as I generally stand alone in my pursuit of high voltage being applied to the exciter array with a modified AC waveform. Like I told the other gentleman, I don't know of any one else getting voltages this high to their cells other than myself. One thing I will not do is agree to have the general public start building "One-offs," as that is the most expensive way to go about building anything and would thus leave most of the worlds population to not have this technology.


You have to think about the target of the things that are Open Sourced as when Elon Musk did it just who was the target for making use of what he Open Sourced as it sure wasn't you or I? If we were the targets then we would be able to build us one and park our gasoline driven cars but we weren't the targets for we simply don't have enough money to build something like that as a "One-off." That targeted people would be those whom own companies that are already set up for mass production, you see they are the targets for Elon's Open Source. This technology is no different in that the cost to build things the correct way would be far too high for most people to be able to afford if they had to build it as a "One-off." The only way around this is to get a lot of other people to buy it at the same time from the same company that will be making it. But I have seen first hand on many occasions how when money gets involved no one is willing to work together as one in these Open Source communities for it requires all to trust one person with their money to do the right thing. I have tried several times to get these communities members to work as one so that all could have this technology at a good price and not once did it ever work. I had to go outside of the Open Source communities to accomplish this mission. This is how there are several Gas Processors and Exciter Arrays in the hands of a few people that did work together with me. We came together to act as one which gave us the power to drive the cost down for each of us as we each understood the rules of the markets.


Hopefully in the future the Open Source community will learn these market rules and act accordingly. I have a company and if it has the support of the people it will be successful at getting this technology out to those that need it most. In any case if people in these Open Source communities come together pool their monies and ask me to build in bulk for them they will get the best prices I can give them as I am willing to work with them.



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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #288 on: September 16, 2016, 10:50:57 PM »
Ed,

Have you considered teaming up with an already established company such as one of these:

http://www.hhokitsdirect.com/

http://www.greenfuelh2o.com/

I've bought from both of them in the past and they have good prices and quality products.  Adding your stuff to their line-up couldn't hurt.  Might be a good way to get your foot in the door without having to do all the dirty work yourself.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #289 on: September 17, 2016, 02:10:00 AM »
Not really as my market is different than theirs and then there's the question of control of the product. You see right now those companies, and any others like them, are competitors to True Green Solutions but as I stated our market is different. This technology requires none of the toxic products (electrolyte) their products are introducing to our environment for this technology only adds water with no toxic salts, acids, or bases to the system. Not one of them has done an impact study on those devices they sell that are adding those pollutants to our environment yet. They tell people to drain their cell before they go to use one of their cleaners but drain it where? on the ground? Then once it is cleaned again they tell you to drain it out with tap water and then put the toxic chemicals back in the device. I am not sure what you call this but I call it being irresponsible as they are polluting the environment they state they are trying to clear up from the oil company's pollution. Two wrongs don't make a right as they both are polluting our world in different ways.


Now to put this in perspective for you. Lets say that for the state of California that 50% of all the cars on the road use their products. This would be around 19 million cars dumping those toxins into our water supply. You want to talk about a mess as we are only talking about one state doing this. So as far as I am concerned they have to be put out of business too for the increased demand for the creation of these toxic chemicals will also aid towards polluting our world.


In general I find that most people do think like this as all they care about is the savings they might get from the promise of needing to use less gasoline while others do actually care about trying to clean our air but fail to take into account the impact on our environment when we go about using these toxic chemicals in mass. Thus I fully expect these companies to side with the oil companies for it will be in their best interest to do so, but who knows they might just surprise me.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #289 on: September 17, 2016, 02:10:00 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #290 on: December 18, 2016, 02:08:48 AM »
Hello Everyone,


With the year winding down it would seem that next year now has the promise of bringing this technology to the market place. Mostly I have been playing the waiting game this year in trying to get some parts built for me and have had to wait for over six months now to get the bobbins for the newest VIC transformer to be made for me. I feel I have most of the science figured out but can only get the unit working for a small amount of time as the transformers tend to burn out on me. I am currently trying to solve this problem and have no idea how much time that is going to take. Basically I am finding out that understanding the science behind this technology and building it correctly are two different things but they can't do without one another for without the understanding of the science behind the technology I would have never figured how to get the voltages up to the exciter array.


Now I have built and tested many different versions of Meyer's VIC transformer that being the, figure 3-25, figure 6-1, and the 10-4 versions of Meyer VIC transformers. I like the figure 6-1 the best thus far as it is the least confusing of the bunch when it comes time to wire it all up and from a business perspective would have the least amount of labor cost attached to it when going into mass production. A lot of these pictures I have never shown anyone before but I do so now for those whom think I have only tested out one of Meyer's many different types of transformers found in his patents. For as you can see I have been very busy working on all of the many types of transformers found in the patents to include the donut transformer (not shown).


The goal in doing all of this is to figure out this technology by actually doing the work and testing it so that I would allow myself to see with my own eyes just what they do when tested and experimented with in the real world.


Now I went back and re-read this entire thread to see if I missed anything or have some things changed with new understanding and the answer it yes, somethings have changed, but the over all concept(s) have remained the same for the most part as it's all about ionizing the atoms that make up the water molecules. I started this thread as a challenged to get people building this technology and sadly not many if any stepped up to the plate to build and test their own designs. Also when I started this thread I was a believer in Open Source and that too has changed as I no longer believe in Open Source for it would have everyone building "One-Offs" which is the most expensive way to go about building anything and thus would leave many in this world without this technology. I looked over the many people whom have come and gone since this thread was started and the many that just felt I owed them something and/or just came here to pick a fight with me and will have to say I have changed a lot since then, hopefully for the better.


A lot of links no longer work due to the site it was on has shut down since the time this thread was started. In fact many people are no longer working on this technology as it turned out to be far harder than they ever imagined to get all the "Why's" answered. I still have quite a few "Why's" that need to be answered but I feel I have answered enough of them to get parts of the technology up and running once I get all the parts I need to make them work.


In time I will need everyone's help as this technology will be just starting off.
Take care all and I hope this next year to be the one this technology finally makes it to the market place.
Ed

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #291 on: December 18, 2016, 03:15:16 AM »
Well Ed, I'm a little confused.

1.  You don't believe in OpenSource, yet you post publicly here at overunity.com.
2.  You want to build something that can be mass produced and sold where?
3.  You need everyone's help to get this off the ground, yet you scorn one-offs.

I sense a lot of mixed signals in your postings and very little hard-core details such as:
  * How to impedance match the coils to the cell.
  * How to tune the system once assembled.
  * Where to get off-the-shelf parts.
  * How concepts like Coulomb's Law apply to splitting water molecules.
  * Electrical schematics and scope shots showing the exact needed waveforms.

I sometimes feel this is just your hobby Ed and you have no real desire to "save the world".
I also don't feel you have the motivation to re-create this technology and share it
in a form people can immediately get their hands on and begin to replicate.
And lastly, I doubt very much you have the guts to get yourself and your
family killed over this technology.  Maybe someday you'll get lucky, get
something to work and the MiBs will offer to buy you out and you can
live happily ever after.  I know in the case of Mr. Walker, he found what
he was looking for and can now go to his grave with a smile on his face.
Myself, I'd rather be JFK'd doing what I know needs to be done.  My life
means nothing; what I take with me means everything.  Do you have
what it takes Ed?  I'm not asking you this to piss you off.  I'm asking you
this so you might take a deep look into your soul and define your purpose.

I'd like nothing better than to see you setup a complete system with ICE
and generator attached and fire this all up for the very first time on live
streaming cameras, so the whole world could see you prove this technology
out.  I'd like those streams to be so rich in detail that only a complete
idiot could not figure out what you have built.  Do it Ed, do it.  Let the
genie out of the bottle so it can never again be put back in.  Get angry.
Develop a hatred for silence, obscurity and falsehoods.  Let it all go.
Make a difference.  Make your mark in this 21st century.  And just
remember what Will Munny said in the movie Unforgiven...

   We all got it comin' kid.




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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #292 on: December 18, 2016, 05:25:32 AM »
Well Ed, I'm a little confused.

1.  You don't believe in OpenSource, yet you post publicly here at overunity.com.
2.  You want to build something that can be mass produced and sold where?
3.  You need everyone's help to get this off the ground, yet you scorn one-offs.

I sense a lot of mixed signals in your postings and very little hard-core details such as:
  * How to impedance match the coils to the cell.
  * How to tune the system once assembled.
  * Where to get off-the-shelf parts.
  * How concepts like Coulomb's Law apply to splitting water molecules.
  * Electrical schematics and scope shots showing the exact needed waveforms.

I sometimes feel this is just your hobby Ed and you have no real desire to "save the world".
I also don't feel you have the motivation to re-create this technology and share it
in a form people can immediately get their hands on and begin to replicate.
And lastly, I doubt very much you have the guts to get yourself and your
family killed over this technology.  Maybe someday you'll get lucky, get
something to work and the MiBs will offer to buy you out and you can
live happily ever after.  I know in the case of Mr. Walker, he found what
he was looking for and can now go to his grave with a smile on his face.
Myself, I'd rather be JFK'd doing what I know needs to be done.  My life
means nothing; what I take with me means everything.  Do you have
what it takes Ed?  I'm not asking you this to piss you off.  I'm asking you
this so you might take a deep look into your soul and define your purpose.

I'd like nothing better than to see you setup a complete system with ICE
and generator attached and fire this all up for the very first time on live
streaming cameras, so the whole world could see you prove this technology
out.  I'd like those streams to be so rich in detail that only a complete
idiot could not figure out what you have built.  Do it Ed, do it.  Let the
genie out of the bottle so it can never again be put back in.  Get angry.
Develop a hatred for silence, obscurity and falsehoods.  Let it all go.
Make a difference.  Make your mark in this 21st century.  And just
remember what Will Munny said in the movie Unforgiven...

   We all got it comin' kid.


You don't know me and more than likely never will so, forgive me for not wanting to prove anything to you. Honestly I simply don't view the world as most people do as I tend to look at the big picture once I am able to see it. I tested Open Source to make sure what I found out about it really was the truth about it: http://aetherforce.com/truth-open-source-inventors-perspective/
As you seem to be aware I am the last of the old guys still working on this technology now as the rest of them have moved on with their lives. Some are just tired of failing all the time, a few fill they went as far as they could go and shared it all, while others are having health problems. From my perspective only confusion has come from their work on this technology to the point of making sure no one will be able to solve this technology if they are listened too. As for me the only thing I tire of is people like you demanding me to do as you say and/or trying to force me to see your way of thinking or point of view. I no longer follow the path that is most traveled now. I don't buy into turning movie fiction into real world realities nor do I follow the old ways all that much anymore. I have a path laid before me that I am following where it leads only the creator knows but follow it I must.


I don't know of this, "Got what it takes" thing you speak of nor do I want to know as it sounds very restrictive. I'll stick with the world of reality as here I know the rules as anyone that knows much about the markets knows to build a "One-Off" cost big bucks as that is how the markets work and there simply is no getting around that in this world. In what I will be asking of everyone is simply, help this technology go into mass production so that the per unit cost is driven down so that the masses can afford to buy it.


This technology isn't like Dr. Faraday's electrolysis as it is a complex technology where things have to be built with precision. Meyer's talk of using off the shelf items simply isn't true as I have built more of his technology than most and trust me it cost a lot of money and you can't go to your local Home Depot and buy the things you need to get this technology up and running correctly. After what Don Gable showed us about Meyer's technology anyone still believing that lie is a fool. I am not going to play your game as I choose to opt out and have been out for a long time now. I post what I post to help people understand the science behind this technology, complete with just how the waveform is supposed to look like and why it is supposed to look that way. Even the theory has scientific evidence backing it up. But like most that love to argue with me they want it all handed to them on a silver platter and to that I say no. I don't have all the answers to this technology yet as I still have a lot more to learn for I have a lot of "Why's" that need answering still. Like it or not basically I am all you have got right now as Ronnie, Max, Russ, and a whole lot of others are gone now. Those that remain aren't really working on Meyer's technology are they? Most are stuck in a loop in how they are approaching this technology as they come, then go away, only to return sometime later and do it all over again for a new crowd of people.


A little news flash, anyone that tells you that the waveform that I have been showing people is incorrect will never be able to solve this technology as that waveform is fundamental to how this technology actually works. In the pdf file I posted that should be very clear now, but I take it you have never taken the time to read it, correct? There is nothing I can do about that as I can give people knowledge but I can't force them to read and/or understand it. With all of the disinformation out there it truly makes it hard for people to know just whom to trust now days doesn't it? High voltage low amps isn't that what Meyer always said? Well, I have that and thus far stand alone in doing so as far as I can tell. Ronnie fears that I am going to blow something up but fails to understand that only 0.6 mA really isn't enough to arc the distance between the plates of the exciter array, plus he also fails to understand that the voltage is being divided by all the resonant cavities in the exciter array as they are hooked up in series. So, I will not be having any, "Catastrophic Dielectric Failure,"and blow everything up, okay? As for your being a bit confused I have no desire to give you any clarity as I have posted a lot of what I know for right now and that's that, and given our past dealings with one another, take it or leave it.




 

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