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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #210 on: February 24, 2011, 09:22:35 PM »
Hi H2opower about the lawton circuit you said that I have to increase voltage. So I should do a sort of inverter after the circuit to higher voltage?
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #211 on: February 24, 2011, 10:48:50 PM »
Hi H2opower about the Lawton circuit you said that I have to increase voltage. So I should do a sort of inverter after the circuit to higher voltage?
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Are you going to use a system that has just the chokes or a isolated pulsing VIC transformer? If you are using an isolated VIC pulsing transformer then all you need to add to the system is a high side PWM. In the pic of the high side PWM you just need to change the p-channel FET to one that can take a higher voltage. This PWM is hooked up to the positive side of the primary coil and the Lawton circuit to the negative side of the primary coil. That will give you control of the voltages without affecting the pulsing of the transformer.
If you are just using chokes then copying the H11D1 set up in the 8xa circuit will work best as the FETs don't like that type of slamming and will burn out. The Lawton can take the place of the pulsing unit in the 8xa circuit. It would connect right up to the 7404 shown in Tony Woodside's diagram.

Now as far as getting these hooked up to cars one has to first convert the car to run on propane gas then just switch fuels with all of Meyer's safety features added in, like the quenching circuit technology. That system would be set up to maintain a higher pressure than the working pressure needs for the system.

I know some are going to say it a bad idea to pressurize the hho, but if precautions are taking it can be safe. For whats the difference than running around with a tank full of a flammable liquid that will slow cook you and smoke the life out of you in the event of an accident? There are always risk with any system just take care in planning for the risk and you will be fine.

Hope that helps,

h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #212 on: February 25, 2011, 01:48:27 PM »
Hi H20power thanks for response I am using this circuit posted: Is this not a PWM? Regarding pressurizing HHO I read that if one uses neutral plates for ionizing the gas would be safe.
Sorry posted two images.
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #213 on: February 25, 2011, 04:48:11 PM »
I'm going to create the 3-23 VIC:
A modified EI to UI core.
Turns:
Primary: 50-100 thick wire
Secondary: 30k-40k 38awg
Chokes: 30k-40k 38awg

any suggestions?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #214 on: February 25, 2011, 07:20:32 PM »
I'm going to create the 3-23 VIC:
A modified EI to UI core.
Turns:
Primary: 50-100 thick wire
Secondary: 30k-40k 38awg
Chokes: 30k-40k 38awg

any suggestions?

Okay your going for the isolated VIC Matrix Circuit. Here are the rules:

1. Primary and chokes use the same size wire or very close to it.
2. Primary and chokes must have the same inductance value.
3. If you bifilar wound the primary that equals two primaries in one. Which is why in the patent Meyer's 3-23 VIC the Primary and the chokes have the same total turn counts.
4. The secondary's distributed capacitance value must be the same as the electrode set's capacitance value that is to be charged. Example, if you calculate 1000 pf for the electrode set then the distributed capacitance of the secondary coil must equal 1000 pf. You can alter wire sizes to get the desired step-up ratio you want to go for. Smaller wire sizes means more wounds on the core as the distributed capacitance value is directly related to the physical size of the wire being used, the larger the wire size the higher the distributed capacitance and so forth but equal less physical wounds on the core.
5. For the wires used for the secondary and chokes use resistance wire, like ​constantan-45.
6. Chokes must have a greater capacitance value than the electrode pair. That is to say the energy storage capabilities of the chokes must be greater than the energy storage capabilities of the electrode pair. This determines the turn count of the chokes as you will have a minimum turn count to have greater energy storage capability than that of the electrode pair. Note the greater it is the faster it will charge the cell.
7. Only one VIC per electrode pair. If you have 10 tubes you will need 10 VIC's. But the good news is all the VIC's can be powered by the same power supply but everything must be perfect so they all go into resonance at the same frequency.

Other rules and things of importance:
1. The maximum pulse rate is twice the resonant frequency. Example if you find resonance at 500 Hz then the maximum you can pulse it is 1000 Hz.
2. Note the high side PWM connects to the top side of the primary and the Lawton circuit to the bottom side of the primary. With just the Lawton circuit once you find resonance that's it, all you can do from that point is adjust the pulsing rate. With the addition of the high side PWM you can now adjust the voltage once resonance is found.
3. This is best done on a drawing program of some sort to easily get all the values needed and be able to swap wires sizes without having to build it and test it manually. As you can see I draw them in AutoCAD when designing the VIC transformers prior to building them.
4. No using neutral plates! That messes up capacitance values.

Hope this helps as it is a lot of work getting these things built correctly. Best of luck to you,
h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #214 on: February 25, 2011, 07:20:32 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #215 on: February 25, 2011, 08:54:51 PM »
Hi H20power where is the H11D1 setup found?
Thanks

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #216 on: February 25, 2011, 09:34:13 PM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #217 on: February 26, 2011, 04:34:30 AM »
Hi all i like to add my bit on the vic.

Meyer did not make it easy to build the vic from the patents but had plenty in there to hang u in court. He talked of EBP this was the way he trapped electrons in the secondary coil, u should only have a small leakage current if the transformer is shorted and the full voltage should remain across the secondary, if it dosen`t do this then there is no current restriction or not enough.

He said the primary is bi-directional wrap...bi is 2, 2 directions and wrap means wrapped around the former. The bi-directional is one half of the transformer primary is wound in one direction and the other half is then wound in the opposite direction forming 2 coils of opposing magnetic fields, this is wound longitudal to the inductors and secondary.

To make it easy to test only the inhibitor choke needs to be wound, wind it bifilar on a tube and place in the center of a ferrite e-core and dont pick one to small, then wind the primary as described above from inside edge to the center of choke then reverse wire direction to other inside edge. Now wind the secondary over the top of primary in same direction as choke. i used thin wire for choke and secondary and bit thicker for primary.

Use a frequency generator and driver circuit to test, u will need to align the coils including the primary, just short the output and when u still get full voltage its working. If u use a scope i have had some odd effects, on x10 it attenuated the signal (volts adjusted on scope of course) and the ground might cause a problem. Measure voltage across secondary. I used a diode in the circuit with a low forward volt drop.

Now u have a current restricting transformer...happy days!   ;D

h2o this is the transformer i was on about.



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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #218 on: February 26, 2011, 02:00:33 PM »
Thanks iluminati for your info. Can you please post a diagram?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #219 on: February 26, 2011, 03:24:00 PM »
My drawing is poor and tends to take me hours to produce substandard rubbish so i was really hopeing the text would do, what bit are u not clear on? 

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #220 on: February 26, 2011, 08:57:13 PM »
Do not worry about that as the figure 6-1 VIC transformer is not to be built unless you are making the injectors as they will not work on the WFC's. Plus I already go over just what bidirectional means and all it is something that is cross wrapped, nothing more. Please I know you mean to help but your making this hard for people to understand. The figure 6-1 VIC Matrix Circuit has a lot more rules that go along with than that of figure 3-23. These people want results not confusion, okay? Please I got this, okay?
In the 8xa circuit the 2 H inductor is a guess that seems to work with the 3 inch overlap capacitors. But there is a way to calculate the exact size needed and that it to fully integrate the time constance (TC) to Meyer's work. For these are very leaky capacitors and the resistance and impedance totals in ohms go towards giving you enough time to be able to charge such a leaky capacitor. The Time Constant (TC) for a capacitor is TC = R x C, where R is resistance in ohms and C is capacitance in farads. This directly relates to what size the chokes need to be in order for the capacitors to be charged, and I am still working through the math as we speak. The inductor TC is also important TC = L / R. As I have been saying these VIC Matrix Circuits look deceptively simple but nothing could be farther from the truth of how they really work.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #221 on: February 26, 2011, 09:49:36 PM »
That coil is to wrap three coils bi directional near each other?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #222 on: February 27, 2011, 12:02:27 AM »
guruji

Email me dude  8)

bc109@hotmail.co.uk

Very easy to build this to try out.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #223 on: February 27, 2011, 01:13:30 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/user/Venturecaplaw#p/u/52/GXcxswDcUbI

http://www.youtube.com/user/Venturecaplaw#p/u/51/-vznuNkEBto

http://www.youtube.com/user/Venturecaplaw#p/u/54/HGgfOqlxWqU

http://www.youtube.com/user/Venturecaplaw#p/u/55/V6xa76IshbE

 

In these videos you will learn these two time constant (TC) formulas

Inductance TC = L / R

Capacitance TC = R x C

And it takes a total time of 5 TC's to fully charge or discharge a inductors current and a capacitors voltage.

 

Now since we are dealing with a leaky capacitor the time it take my electrode pair to discharge is:

5(3778.83 pf x 78.54 ohms) = 2.967893^-7 sec x 5 = 1.48395^-6 sec to fully discharge my capacitor. Not a lot of time, huh?

Now by adding in resistance you gain more time before the capacitor fully discharges.

Example if I add in 40k ohms, which would be all coils added up together, I'd get this: 5(3778.83 pf x 40078.54 ohms) = 7.5724995^-4 sec

And this takes place at the same time the inductor is dumping current into the capacitor as it losses current giving even more time before the capacitor fully discharges.

 
So now you can see that adding in resistance has two purposes, to prevent amp leakage, and to add more time to the capacitors fast discharge time so it isn't too fast. 

 So the bifilar chokes will go to slow this leaky capacitors discharge time down and the resistance will go to slow this leaky capacitors discharge time down. Wow, I learn something new everyday!


We need to calculate the total resistance of the circuit, and due to the way the circuit works we only get to add one resonant value of a choke with this resistance.

 

So that gives us all resistances that are in-line with the capacitor plus the XL of the choke plus the Xc of the capacitor at the resonant frequency. This value is then added to the Time Constant so see if the choke size will give a time that is greater than the frequency time count per second. Remember the maximum pulse rate is always twice the resonant frequency, that means you divide the one pulse time by two.

 

Unfortunately I can't add all the resistance of the wires due to I don't know the resistance per foot data. I only know the 0.125 mm wire is around 24 ohms per foot. I will only have all the data on the chokes after it is built and I put a resistance meter to it to take a reading. So here we go .

 

Planned resonant frequency for me is 1.83k Hz which gives a single pulse time of 5.4645^-4 seconds divide that by two and I get 2.7322^-4 seconds. This is my charge time and it must be less than the capacitor drain time.

 

So starting with the secondary I will be using 263.6 ft of wire at 24 ohms per foot. Which gives me 6326.44 ohms of resistance.

The chokes @ 2 H gives me, 2 x pie x 1830 Hz x 2 H = 22996.46 ohms

The capacitor gives 1 / 2 x pie x 1830 Hz x 3778.83^-12 f = 23015.04 ohms plus 78.54 gives 23093.58 ohms

 

Now to use the TC = R x C formula

TC = (6326.44 + 22996.46 + 23093.58) x 3778.83^-12 = 1.9807^-4 seconds is for one time constant. So it is multiplied by 5 giving me 9.9036^-4 seconds for full discharge time of the capacitor.

This shows me that the 2 H choke will be enough for me to charge the capacitor since 2.7322 is less than 9.9036. With this size choke I will have a voltage drop just over 36.8% between charges so I will go to a larger choke size to improve those numbers.

 

Now at least all of you know how to calculate the value of your chokes so you get a working VIC Matrix Circuit the first time around, no more guessing! 


Enjoy!

h2opower


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #224 on: February 27, 2011, 01:50:52 PM »
Hi illuminati I've emailed you. Another thing I built two cells and put them in parallel is this ok or in series bettet?
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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