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Author Topic: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.  (Read 26828 times)

Offline khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2009, 10:23:20 AM »
2 Meters UAV? WOW
You must have access to some huge backyard? ;D
Where are you living?
Please mail me pictures. I am so addicted to it. Does whoopy knows about that?
... he was talking about gyroscopes used in helicopters and "multicopters".for stabilizing their position.

no trolling.
Gruss zurueck,
sushimoto

Yeah, guys, seems now it started for me :'(
But OK -  Im old enought for not to lie like whippersnapper,
Backyard I have 1 ha ... why you think I do fly on my backyard? OK, sometimes yes we do,
I do discern well about mechanical gyros ... pieso gyros ...Accelerometers ... please dont worry about,
We dont use mechanical gyros for positioning , MP2128heli - do you know what it is?  Did cost $11,461.75 for me,
There are total two 3-d gyro systems on our UAV - one for copter via Autopilot, second for camera, there are two more accelerometers based systems if you like to know ...
Mechanical gyros I spoke before - gyro stabilized platform - we use like extra, for vibration damping when needed.
Cheers,
khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2009, 10:30:00 AM »
Yeah I know eric laithwathe, I recommend anyone to watch all the videos here...

http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp

They are very cool.

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2009, 10:47:55 AM »
Yeah I know eric laithwathe, I recommend anyone to watch all the videos here...

http://www.gyroscopes.org/1974lecture.asp

They are very cool.

for example this kind of experiments I meant,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu6kp6fSc3M&feature=related
There russian guys trying to fly but ... no way ::)
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2009, 10:48:09 AM »
Yeah, guys, seems now it started for me :'(
But OK -  Im old enought for not to lie like whippersnapper,
Backyard I have 1 ha ... why you think I do fly on my backyard? OK, sometimes yes we do,
I do discern well about mechanical gyros ... pieso gyros ...Accelerometers ... please dont worry about,
We dont use mechanical gyros for positioning , MP2128heli - do you know what it is?  Did cost $11,461.75 for me,
There are total two 3-d gyro systems on our UAV - one for copter via Autopilot, second for camera, there are two more accelerometers based systems if you like to know ...
Mechanical gyros I spoke before - gyro stabilized platform - we use like extra, for vibration damping when needed.
Cheers,
khabe


Sure i want to know. Your 11k$ -3D gyro seems to fit very well into our biped robot.
With all the cheap stuff in it.
 It does more struggeling breakdance than walking. ;D
Yes, i know microPilot very well. A company of my earlier dreams,
but now, i just need a new car,
and never want to see burning fossils in my closer neighborhood or under my own hood.
Maybe some steam engine with "Theo Jansen" -legs could be an undersophisticatd  but attractive project.

Flying cars in cities is a bit early in time since most common people
are not able to control their 2D-World...

Are you doing the UAV's just for fun or is there any other intention?
Are you selling your development?

Best regards,
sushimoto

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2009, 11:08:39 AM »

Are you doing the UAV's just for fun or is there any other intention?
Are you selling your development?

Best regards,
sushimoto

It was like fun 12 years ago when bought first rc-heli for my son ...Robbe Moskito - crashed in one hour,
Total spent huge lot of ... now it feels it was my best investment what ever possible.
The best thing is when hobby and bread are in one place,
Today it is bread and butter 8)
Regards,
khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2009, 11:08:39 AM »
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Offline broli

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2009, 11:30:36 AM »
for example this kind of experiments I meant,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu6kp6fSc3M&feature=related
There russian guys trying to fly but ... no way ::)
cheers,
khabe


Already seen that. And this proves what? That a hand spun system can become a few kilo's lighter? I fail to see your pointless debunking point. Get the thing spinning at 10.000+ rpm and then we'll see wether it has hope or not.

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM »
I think the whole idea is based on false premise. He just assumes there is a force and goes with it without considering other explanations.
For what I unerstand, the effect is much closer to the illustration below. An axial torque that is much more likely to bust your bearings or snap the axle than lifting you off the ground.

Nasa uses the same principle in their new robotic booms, so it's not completely useless effect. Not quite antigravity though.

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Offline khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2009, 03:46:08 PM »
Already seen that. And this proves what? That a hand spun system can become a few kilo's lighter? I fail to see your pointless debunking point. Get the thing spinning at 10.000+ rpm and then we'll see wether it has hope or not.

Hmm? Do you mean that 10k is the only right RPM and 24k I commonly use is wrong ??? ::)
Another point - two contra-rotating gyros on the same axis will by theory kill each other´s angular momentum,
I think that this vertically hyperkinesia comes because no rigid body because weak construction - axis changes, are not stabil,
When Satellite uses similar design stabilizers then axises are not perpendicular to centre but under angle.
What I can speak about "precision measurings" of forces under each leg ... I think that when one scale shows minus 1 then some another does (+) and summary it is (0),
There must be considered not only diameter, mass and speed - as well as time factor t and f in herz - those guys did? Im not sure about ::)
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2009, 04:37:21 PM »
I agree with retroworm, the stresses on the bearings would be enormous and as for not using a lot of energy once the rims are up to speed is crap, the whole precession effect causes lots of resistance.


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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2009, 04:47:42 PM »
Being weightless is B.S.

Just because a person weights less in water than out of water, doesn't mean the person's weight has changed.  It only means the measuring of the object is using a different scale, due to less or no opposition forces (pressure) against each other, and must be taken into account when weighing an object.

Ant-gravity has nothing to do with the weight of the object, but has everything to do with the axial and angular momentums of the object.

A coaxial rotor on a helicopter cancels out the angular momentum of the two counter-rotating blades and it's still able to fly without a tail rotor.  A tail rotor cancels out the angular momentum of the blades also, which allows it to fly with stability and control.  The angular momentum must being canceled with an anti-gravity device, just like the helicopter.

Do we not want to cancel the angular momentum?

With the angular momentums canceled, won't this relieve the stress on the bearings?

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Offline khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2009, 05:03:43 PM »
Mmmmmh,
Now Im thinking about these Russian guys they spin this apparatus by hands, legs are on the ground.
But how they´ll do when it rises up this full machine ::) - wheres the GROUND then ???
Or they have something like "tail rotor" for "Artificial Ground" ???
How you can spin this apparatus in air?
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2009, 05:10:32 PM »
Mmmmmh,
Now Im thinking about these Russian guys they spin this apparatus by hands, legs are on the ground.
But how they´ll do when it rises up this full machine ::) - wheres the GROUND then ???
Or they have something like "tail rotor" for "Artificial Ground" ???
How you can spin this apparatus in air?
cheers,
khabe

All kinds of videos on youtube.  The apparatus you're referring to doesn't have a chance to spin in the air......lol

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2009, 05:41:07 PM »
Of course not, but some members will be very angry when I dont beleve it works ::)
Once I did not believe about ´Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...´  -  oh dear I got a lot of earfuls ...
and ... my messages have been deleted >:(

Anyway - Gyroscopes are very interesting things,
Try to replicate Kenyon Gyro Stabilizer - its far not easy,
I dont speak about precision balancing of wheels, its impossible at home -
- just try to make a right design.
When its well done you can easily earn some good extras 8)

with due respect,
khabe



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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2009, 07:26:51 PM »
Of course not, but some members will be very angry when I dont beleve it works ::)
Once I did not believe about ´Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...´  -  oh dear I got a lot of earfuls ...
and ... my messages have been deleted >:(

Anyway - Gyroscopes are very interesting things,
Try to replicate Kenyon Gyro Stabilizer - its far not easy,
I dont speak about precision balancing of wheels, its impossible at home -
- just try to make a right design.
When its well done you can easily earn some good extras 8)

with due respect,
khabe

No disrespect taken.

Then please tell my why NASA built a 20G gravity machine.  Why do they need 20G's?  Isn't 1G enough to simulate our natural gravity?  Would not the 20G tear the machine apart?  It's all interesting, but the real interesting thing is, it is being ignored.  If gravity can be simulated, then anti-gravity can be also.....just reverse the process.  How can this process be reversed?  It should be very clear, if one put a little thought into it.  I'm placing my bet on the gyro or a unidirectional force, because this is how the process can be reversed. 

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Re: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes.
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2009, 10:55:06 PM »
No disrespect taken.

Then please tell my why NASA built a 20G gravity machine.  Why do they need 20G's?  Isn't 1G enough to simulate our natural gravity?  Would not the 20G tear the machine apart?  It's all interesting, but the real interesting thing is, it is being ignored.  If gravity can be simulated, then anti-gravity can be also.....just reverse the process.  How can this process be reversed?  It should be very clear, if one put a little thought into it.  I'm placing my bet on the gyro or a unidirectional force, because this is how the process can be reversed. 

Good night,
buona notte,
khabe

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