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Author Topic: Why do CFL's go bad?  (Read 15352 times)

Gobaga

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Re: Why do CFL's go bad?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 03:48:55 AM »
a wireless CFL would be great

I know Tesla had wireless bulbs, but didn't he use some sort of button, carborundum?  Is it possible to light fluorescent bulbs with a receiver attached to them or just the one wire like Tesla used?

Vortex1

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Re: Why do CFL's go bad?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 04:37:01 AM »
As we know, you can light fluorescent tubes with no wires, just put them in an RF field with enough ionizing energy and there will be light.....but the light will be rather dim unless you create an intense RF field, which would also fry anyone trying to use the light.

You could build a tuned circuit to absorb the energy and transfer more power to the tube, but again once you calculate the required field energy you would not want to work in the vicinity of that field.

Again it all comes down to Lumens, and a 60 watt equivalent CFL draws about 14 watts or so from the line. At 85% or so efficiency for the converter, the lamp runs at about 12 watts to produce 900 Lumens @ 1 meter.

Now the questions I would put forward to the forum is this: How much local RF field strength is required one meter away from a CFL with or without a tuned circuit to produce 900 Lumens? Yes it will "light" with very small radiated power from an RF source but how many Lumens of useful light will be produced?

And if you crank up the power to the 900 Lumens@ 1 meter, would you want to live / work in a field with that much radiated energy?

You will find that it is most efficient to supply the energy directly to the tube with wires, so that none is lost radiating in other directions such as would happen with an RF ionizing field.

Gobaga

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Re: Why do CFL's go bad?
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 06:17:08 AM »
Sounds like the only thing engineered into CFL's is that you can't light them any other way.

jadaro2600

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Re: Why do CFL's go bad?
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2009, 10:05:37 PM »
The do indeed have to be designed in such a way as to minimize electrical interference - they're use in multiple settings where this interference could cause negative effects.

I think that a filament-free bulb might be the trick, something that could utilize the fact that they already have mercury vapor in them.  Induction electrodes, perhaps? ...I'm thinking something that will not corrode when struck electrically?

I think I read somewhere that it's the heater filament's metal migrating into the area of plasma, and the subsequent failure of the chemically complex phosphor coatings that make them fail ( the bulb that is ) ballasts tend to go bad for their own reasons.

I, for a short time, thought that gas may be escaping.  I didn't know there was a wire running their length? ..someone enlighten me.

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: Why do CFL's go bad?
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2009, 11:47:29 PM »
Is it possible to light fluorescent bulbs with a receiver attached to them or just the one wire like Tesla used?
One can light a fluorescent bulb standing next to a Tesla coil from the radiated magnetic field of the coil.  Just hold the bulb close enough.

Without experimentation, however, I don't know how much better a wire connection would be.

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Re: Why do CFL's go bad?
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2009, 02:59:03 AM »

Forever is a long time.... Engineers do not speak in terms of forever


Free Energy engineers like to speak in terms of forever because that is afterall what we are looking for.....

Tesla basically invented the eternal CFL.
This was indeed a gas filled tube without electrodes that was placed in a strong RF field in theory it would emit light forever as long as the RF field is there.

However, these tubes also work on DC and in that case there is no RF component so there is no interference at all.
But there is offcource casscade, the electron bombardment which is responsible for the light it emits, this bombardement also impacts on the electrodes so they damage over time and this is why the tubes go bad.
It does not have to be that way because it is perfectly possible to ionize the gas through the glass by capacitive means.

There are some keys to be found in gas discharges because this is a situation where we have an opening for external power to enter our system.
Intresting things have been reported by several inventors that were looking into gas discharges, and particulary discharges where there is no vacuum arc.(full jump)
These reported overunity effects play in the regime just before the gas ignites into the vacuum arc discharge.
It is in the regime that is just below ignition and has a negative resistance.
We do not see these effects in normal tubes because the regime is too sharp, the tube will ignite instantly a good example of this is the flickering tube.
A chain reaction is hard to control..
Certain gasses are reported to have a wider pre discharge regime such as argone.
But the design of the tube aswell as the regulated supply to create the effect is quite hard to accomplish.

Marco.