Author Topic: Anti-gravity Motor! (Everyone please read, very important) (Read 45966 times)

broli · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2009, 07:09:33 PM »

If you have a unidirectional force you solved the riddle. Today I think I have stumbled on Faraday's paradox in my own way. The results of the paradox experiment is probably the most important thing in magnetism. Forces don't act on magnetic fields at the same time moving the mass of a PM makes no difference. This is a mind boggling conclusion I hope others will see.

If I can crank my mind some more I believe it can lead to a unidirectional force which can defy the gravitational force. All pure mechanics though nothing too exotic like ZPE.

thirteen · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2009, 11:42:45 PM »

ok im new to all this im intersted in quantum physics but im only starting out if ur familure with the LHC u should no about the graviton and to create anti gravity wouldnt u need to find an umm anti graviton ?? or am i just being stupid

gravityblock · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2009, 02:10:57 AM »

Quote from: thirteen on February 22, 2009, 11:42:45 PM

ok im new to all this im intersted in quantum physics but im only starting out if ur familure with the LHC u should no about the graviton and to create anti gravity wouldnt u need to find an umm anti graviton ?? or am i just being stupid

I think that the observations of lensing indicate that a quantum theory of gravity, based on gravitons interacting with every particle including individual photons, cannot be correct. For graviton interaction to be correct, a photon would have to follow a polygonal path as it passes a massive body, each segment of the polygon being, perhaps, of planck length.

You are not being stupid. That is a good question. It is my own personal opinion that we have been given misinformation from the powers that are, to mislead us and to have us chase things that do or do not exist. I had previously posted the above in another topic. Is this correct or is it misinformation? I don't know.....but I believe and other people in physics believe this to be correct from observations.

Also, the graviton is a theoretical particle and has never been detected (directly or indirectly), isolated or observed from experiments (unless it has been proven since I last researched this and I don't think so). If there are gravitons, then I am sure it is the elementary particles that are well known but are in another dimension (virtual particles).

This other dimension would be the time dimension. I believe time is very important in gravity. Although most people believe time to be just a measurement, they fail to realize the width, length, and height of an object is also a measurement. I have alot of thought on this subject, but I don't believe that information will be of benefit to this topic. The topic of time has led me to this discussion. I will only say that time has no length, no height, no width, and has 0 mass. I also believe time is the creation force of the universes and has a conscious (my personal opinion and I won't try to force anyone to accept this).

Please post any thoughts, ideas, or questions you may have. The only way we will crack this anti-gravity and OU code is information and people with an open mind.

thirteen · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2009, 05:33:17 AM »

(I also believe time is the creation force of the universes and has a conscious)

i kind of agree since time is another demetion we only precive it as a stright line because at the end of it we die obs if we only live in the 4th demention then there could be being that live from the 4th to the 10th that we couldnt precive ~(once again im new to this XD)

infringer · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2009, 05:41:10 AM »

Yes there are many things that have been making me curious...

The water droplet...

The fact that something can be levitated from the hutchinson effect...

And I could go on and on...

I guess I need gravity laid out in laymens terms but no one has a solid answer.

How do you measure gravity waves?

thirteen · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2009, 05:52:28 AM »

can gravity be messured as a wave ??

i would of thought because it's a force, it's not realy outputting anything e.g. like light/sound

0c · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:06:49 AM »

Quote from: infringer on February 23, 2009, 05:41:10 AM

How do you measure gravity waves?

This might help you get started:
https://www.ego-gw.it/editorialboard/list.aspx

gravityblock · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:00:22 AM »

Since we're talking about waves, below is a link to a video, some food for thought. Dolphins playing with bubble rings that do not float up to the surface. I believe the momentum of both the water and air are combined into one momentum to get this spinning vortex. It's all about combining the two forces into one. Gravity divides a force into 2 opposing forces and anti-gravity/OU combines the 2 opposing forces into 1 force.

Dolpins playing with bubble rings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q

Below are a couple of comments from other people on this video.

Vortices like these form at the tip of a fin and remain invisible until a dolphin cuts one off and blows air into them. When the air gets trapped inside the spinning water it acts as if it was weightless.

The bubble ring is actually a spinning air vortex. The air inside and the water surrounding it is constantly spinning. Upon the creation of the bubble the dolphin pushes it down, this momentum combined with the force of the vortex prevents it from rising for a few seconds after creation.

gravityblock · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:30:11 PM »

@thirteen regarding extra dimensions:

A 3D object will cast a shadow onto a 2D surface. The 2D surface can only see and experience this shadow and can not actually see and experience the full 3D object. Could it be that gravity is such a weak force relative to the other fundamental forces in nature due to the possibility that we are only seeing and experiencing the shadow of time. Is time and gravity the same? Is gravity the shadow of time?

This stuff is mind boggling, as if my mind isn't already boggled enough......LOL

Low-Q · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:21:39 PM »

Quote from: gravityblock on February 23, 2009, 12:30:11 PM

@thirteen regarding extra dimensions:

A 3D object will cast a shadow onto a 2D surface. The 2D surface can only see and experience this shadow and can not actually see and experience the full 3D object. Could it be that gravity is such a weak force relative to the other fundamental forces in nature due to the possibility that we are only seeing and experiencing the shadow of time. Is time and gravity the same? Is gravity the shadow of time?

This stuff is mind boggling, as if my mind isn't already boggled enough......LOL

You just made me sleepless for a few more nights - hehe. When I start thinking of the subject, the toughts contiues to work all night. It is a very interesting subject - gravity. I have tried to explain to myself what this is, and have some ideas on what it might be.

What we know is that gravity has a direct connection to mass and distance. So further, we know that gravity is relative linear, by means that two balls of steel, 1 meter in diameter, 1 meter apart work on eachother with the same force as two balls, 2 meter in diameter, 4 meters apart - as a twice the diameter is four times heavier.
gravity is regardless of magnetism and electric charge. Gravity is the third dimension - magnetism, electricity, and gravity.

Further I'm temped to believe that gravity is a product, difference, or sum of magnetism and electricity. Somehow gravity force on another object is double as distance is halving. For magnetism the magnetic force is four times stronger as you halving the distance. The same for static electricity - two opposite static charged objects attracts in the same way as magnetism. However, an electric charged object can have the same polarity in the whole object, while magnetical objects allways have two poles. There isn't such as a magnetic monopole, right? But an electrically charged monopole is possible.

Gravity is also some kind of a electrical monopole, but the force is allways attracting. So there must be something in the space between electrons and nukes which is attracting eachother, or something opposite of matter that attracts matter somehow. A kind of antimatter which is a product, difference, or sum of electricity and magnetism.

I want to see this antimatter as the "negative" pole of matter as we know it, but the matter as we know it is just so much more dominant in mass. If it make sense I think you have to "make" antimatter somehow. But you cannot do it with matter, so you might be able to make a "lookalike" with electrons and magnetism, by manipulating matter into a less dominant part. Or, you must manipulate mass by removing the captured antimatter in the space between electrons and nukes. And the only approach to do so is to force the electrons to spin faster, making more space between the atoms - in other words reducing density. But then, an antigravity approach will result in no matter at all, so we are on ground zero.... $:-\$

Oh, man, I get a little excited about the subject. I will definitly NOT sleep well tonight

OK, that was the brainstorm from me on the subject...just thoughts no knowledge. I hope it can be used to something

br.

Vidar

gravityblock · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:08:17 AM »

Quote from: Low-Q on February 23, 2009, 10:21:39 PM

However, an electric charged object can have the same polarity in the whole object, while magnetical objects allways have two poles. There isn't such as a magnetic monopole, right? But an electrically charged monopole is possible.

Vidar

---A snippet of your post---

Here's some more sleepless nights for you:

According to wikipedia:

(Magnetic pole model: Although for many purposes it is convenient to think of a magnet as having distinct north and south magnetic poles, the concept of poles should not be taken literally: it is merely a way of referring to the two different ends of a magnet. The magnet does not have distinct "north" or "south" particles on opposing sides.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet

We're having this discussion in another thread. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6843.0

I apologize for the sleepless nights. I am having these sleepless nights myself.

Low-Q · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:39:50 AM »

Thanks for the sleepless nights

I did some research what gravity is. There is some speculations that says there must be a particle, for now called "gravition". This particle is hard to find as a gravity field is a very weak force compared to other forces in matter. Scientist has as far as I know not been able to find this particle other than knowing it must be there due to the fact that there is gravity forces between two objects with a given mass.

So what has this to do with antigravity? How is it possible to get rid of these particles? It seems there is a direct connection between the mass density and number of gravition particles. So these particles are somehow captured inside the atoms. What if it is? The bond between atoms in matter are quite strong. The harder and more rigid a material is, the harder these bonds are. However the bonds streingth is as I believe stronger the better alignment there is between the atoms and has nothing to do with the amount of gravitions inside matter - like the bond between atoms in a diamond.

I think these gravition particles are doing that bond, means that these particles are many in numbers, but a very few particles seems to leak out of the atoms. The more dense and heavy an object is, the more gravitions are leaking - making gravity between objects greater. A black hole is pure gravity - a mass so dense that all of these gravitions are leaking, leaving only a gravity field left.

That said, gravity can't be removed in a mass, so there must be other forces made which is simulating antigravity.

This is only thoughts based on my wiev on the subject, so please don't see this as facts

Br.

Sleepless Nights Because Of The Subject Gravity AND Non-Existing Magnetic Poles, And A Son That Does Not Want To Sleep At Night Because He Has Bad Dreams All The Time.

gravityblock · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2009, 12:33:51 PM »

@Low-Q:

The virtual particles are the force carrying particles or exchanges of particles. As soon as they find or detect the virtual particles, then it is no longer a virtual particle, but is a real particle (such as a photon, gluon, W bosons, mesons, etc). Possibly the theoretical graviton could be the virtual particle of the theoretical Higgs Boson particle.

I don't think there is a direct connection between the mass density and the gravitons or virtual particles within the atoms. Drop a bowling ball and a marble from a 200 ft building at the same time. They both hit the ground at the same time. Does the bowling ball have more mass than the marble? Yes. Why doesn't the bowling ball hit the ground first since it has more mass (has more gravitons) than the marble? Gravity is acting on the atoms from the outside and causing the atoms to behave differently on the inside, such as ticking at a slower or faster rate, oscillating slower or faster, etc (which is related to time) The atoms in both the bowling ball and marble are being influenced by gravity in the same way (oscillating and ticking at the same rate relative to each other) regardless of the weight or mass of the marble or bowling ball, thus hitting the ground at the same time.

A black hole is an object of such dense mass that it creates a gravitational field so strong that the escape velocity exceeds the speed of light. If black holes have a magnetic field, and it can get out, this seems to imply that virtual photons (flux quanta) can travel faster than the speed of light.

There are many observable physical phenomena resulting from interactions involving virtual particles. I will list 2 of them:

The strong nuclear force between quarks - it is the result of interaction of virtual gluons. The residual of this force outside of quark triplets (neutron and proton) holds neutrons and protons together in nuclei, and is due to virtual mesons such as the pi meson and rho meson.

The weak nuclear force - it is the result of exchange by virtual W bosons.

I feel one of the reasons why physics haven't been able to have a Grand Unification of all the forces is because they ignore and completely disregard time, as most of the people on this forum does. Let's say an object has a length, width, and a height. This object can not change it's position or release it's energy within the universe if there is no time to do so. Mass curves space-time. This has been proven with relativity and will remain so unless proven otherwise. Mass causes space to curve and time to slow down. The atoms in a dense mass has less room to oscillate back and forth (has less time), thus causing it to move more slowly and to release energy more slowly, thus more of the energy is being retained within itself instead of propagating out into space. The subject of time is not a productive subject due to the fact people won't even consider it to be a force, or a mechanism to release energy or to allow movement. After saying this, I am through with the subject of time.

Low-Q · « **Reply #28 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:20:11 PM »

Writing from my cellphone. The earth is so big that the relative mass to a bowling ball and the marble is almost the same. I mean: earth + bowling ball almost equals earth + marble. Hence these two balls hits the ground almost at the same time. If we drop a ball at the size of earth, it takes halv that time that the balls do.

gravityblock · « **Reply #29 on:** February 24, 2009, 05:53:47 PM »

Quote from: Low-Q on February 24, 2009, 03:20:11 PM

Writing from my cellphone. The earth is so big that the relative mass to a bowling ball and the marble is almost the same. I mean: earth + bowling ball almost equals earth + marble. Hence these two balls hits the ground almost at the same time. If we drop a ball at the size of earth, it takes halv that time that the balls do.

If you're driving while writing on your cellphone, then you may experience gravity in your own way and know it very well. This is what we do in the USA, LOL.

If you mean, dropping a ball with the same mass of the earth, then it will take half the time than the balls with little mass? I believe it has to do with both the speed and momentum.

Will someone please set both of us straight......LOL

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