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Author Topic: Four things required for any gravity power device to work  (Read 20416 times)

brian334

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Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« on: February 19, 2009, 11:43:22 PM »

1. On the down side the object must be heavier than the same object on the up side.
2. At the bottom the object must change from being heavier on the down side to being lighter on the up side.
3. On the up side the object must be lighter than the same object was the down side.
4. At the top the object must change back from being lighter on the up side to heavier on the down side.
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TinselKoala

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 12:24:29 AM »
You're forgetting about moment arms. Even if the object on one side is heavier than on the other side, if the moments about the center of rotation are not correct the device still won't rotate.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/physgal.htm

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brian334

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 12:51:25 AM »
Cola,
That is daum.
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Digjam

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 12:53:42 AM »
yep it's amazing how that little thing called "equilibrium" tends to get in the way
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pequaide

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 12:50:42 AM »
It is a function of time. If the same mass (upon which gravity applies a force) takes longer to fall than it does to rise then you have an energy producing machine.
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brian334

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 01:21:29 AM »
Time is not a force, time does not have anything to do with gravity powered machines.
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sushimoto

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 02:19:12 AM »
But time is a factor.
Like time*distance or distance/time is a specific force.
Acceleration is the change in velocity over time.

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pequaide

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 03:24:36 AM »
Right sushimoto, F = ma, or F = m * change in velocity / change in time, or t * F = m * v. If you increase the time coming down you then have more than enough momentum to send the mass back up.

Brian quote: Time is not a force, time does not have anything to do with gravity powered machines.

Maybe this mistaken belief is why you have not built one. 
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Low-Q

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 02:37:19 PM »
As you see on the animation of the gravitywheel from TinselKoala, the weights is using less time to fall down at the right side, but also the total mass at the right sider is less accordingly. So no net fore is increased on that side. On the left side, the total density is greater, but again the speed is less accordingly.

So to make a working gravitywheel, you must create and destroy mass - which is yet very impossible to do. I had a try with a vacuum based gravity wheel by "creating" and "destroying" mass by decreasing and increasing a volume of vacuum, but after a few thaughts and tips from members here, I realized that it will never work. It's still hard for me to realize this fact :)

Br.

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Paul-R

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 04:02:18 PM »
Quote from: brian334 on February 19, 2009, 11:43:22 PM
1. On the down side the object must be heavier than the same object on the up side.
2. At the bottom the object must change from being heavier on the down side to being lighter on the up side.
3. On the up side the object must be lighter than the same object was the down side.
4. At the top the object must change back from being lighter on the up side to heavier on the down side.
This cannot be proved to be true.
 
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Bessler007

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2009, 01:32:45 PM »
I've been working on equations that will once and for all settle the matter of which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead.  I'm attempting to prove that x = y and as soon as that's accomplished the question will be resolved.

This work has brought me to a conclusion most gravity powered perpetual motion seekers ignore.  Until this single idea is implemented no one will ever solve the problem.

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Where to build?

I'd suggest somewhere outside the boundaries of the known universe.  Perhaps in your dreams.


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brian334

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 10:20:54 PM »
007,
If you want to find out if a pound of lead or a pound of feathers
weights more I suggest this test.
1. Drop a pound of lead on your foot.
2. Than from the same height drop a pound of feathers on your foot.
After you get out of the hospital please give us a report on your test.

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brian334

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 10:38:41 PM »
007,
All inventions are outside the boundaries of the known universe.
Until they are invented.
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TechStuf

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 07:32:29 PM »

Brian334, your user name is rather cryptic....but I think I may have cracked the code.


You are 33 going on 4.


I kid, of course. 


Statistically, I had to do it.
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AB Hammer

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Re: Four things required for any gravity power device to work
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 11:10:03 PM »
Quote from: TechStuf on April 16, 2009, 07:32:29 PM
Brian334, your user name is rather cryptic....but I think I may have cracked the code.


You are 33 going on 4.


I kid, of course. 


Statistically, I had to do it.

TechStuf

This sounds like an interesting game so here is my try.

Brian has 3 kids and he is 34 when he made his name here. Or he is on his 3rd wife and he is only 34. LOL

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