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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7876 on: February 18, 2017, 08:53:07 PM »
Just did a simple test with 6 turns of 4awg around a 4in pvc pipe. Charged up a 4.7uf 100v cap. Blue dip cap

I charged the cap to 30v and discharged it to the coil with a scope on the coil. So far not much. So is the problem with the cap used? Is it necessary to have a bifi coil cap instead? Would it be of an advantage to integrate the pri with the bifi inductively to help keep the oscillation going longer. Im going to try a few more things with this to see what I can come up with on those terms. I suppose the bifi cap would be open ended to act as a cap only, but if it is wound as a coil, induction could play a part in how the open ended bifi reacts.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7877 on: February 18, 2017, 09:42:45 PM »
In the Ozone Paten ( pg 530 of this thread)
Negative side of the input (dc power source)
Goes through the motor windings, the commutator
And grounded to the motor case. Turns the motor
As well as through the primary coil to the - side of
The capacitor
+ side of capacitor is constantly being charged by the
dc power source.
Once the capacitor reaches the potential to arc across the
adjustable spark gap on the rotating disk attached to the
motor shaft, it discharges through the primary coil. There
is no effective feedback through the motor back to the source
because the potential exists between the capacitor plates


The frequency is generally 2x that of the motor rpm, due to
the physical construction. Controlled by a variable resistance.
The two contact points on the disk allow for a contact twice per
rotation. If more is required, multiple arc paths can be used in the disk.
Drawing is simplified.


The secondary coil bears little in the primary in terms of operating
frequency. The resonance that is set up in the LC primary tank overpowers
the minuscule current drawn off through the secondary induction.
And the high potentials makes it so the path of least resistance is through
the ionization of atoms and molecules in the space between the plates of the
Ozone Maker. This is what creates the Ozone, some of the ionized O(-) atoms
have enough energy to bond into groups of 3 or more instead of the low energy
O2 we are used to at human altitudes.
Current can't go back through the transformer
Not quite a diode, but an inhibiting resistance path.
Whatever charge is left on the plates when the field collapse occurs in the inductor
Is lost.
The oscillating primary tank in this circuit could probably drive several devices
before you had any noticeable impact on the tank.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7878 on: February 18, 2017, 09:51:20 PM »
You could say that the primary and the capacitor are in series with
Each other (shorted out across the spark gap)
And both of these are in parallel to the motor.
Motor drives the spark gap and facilitates the 'shorting'.


The LC tank could operate on its own by using just a spark gap
Instead of the motor.


The secondary is irrelevant until you get the primary down to perfection.


Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7879 on: February 18, 2017, 11:26:03 PM »
You could say that the primary and the capacitor are in series with
Each other (shorted out across the spark gap)
And both of these are in parallel to the motor.
Motor drives the spark gap and facilitates the 'shorting'.


The LC tank could operate on its own by using just a spark gap
Instead of the motor.


The secondary is irrelevant until you get the primary down to perfection.


I see it as B input lead as connected to in of the D stator coil, then out of the D coil to the motor brush, through the armature, then in to the F stator winding and out of F to the G brush of the H controller. One side of the primary also is connected to the G brush, where the other side of the primary is in series with the cap and the other side of the cap is connected to the K brush of the H controller, and also the power input A is connected to K.

So all the motor windings are in series, and are not connected to power directly from the input until the H controller connects brushes G and K, and at the same time H is making that connection, the primary and cap are in parallel to do their thing.

So this is very much like the Igniter pat where as the motor here is the large inductor there. Or does the motor help us any compared to the large inductor of the igniter circuit?

When the H controller is connecting brushes G and K, the motor is powered by the DC input and the fields in the motor build. Then when the H controller disconnects, the motors field collapse charges the cap through the primary. Then when H connects again, the cap is discharged into the primary, oscillation I suppose, and the motor once again gets power from the input and repeat.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7880 on: February 19, 2017, 12:22:28 AM »
@Tito
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How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? [/size]I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.


In my opinion this is the most relevant comment posted here in a very long time. One can go off on any number of tangents or subjects however the fact remains that if someone cannot grasp the concept of accumulation versus dissipation then they will never truly understand how any FE devices work. As well once the basic concept is understood it should become obvious that it can be applied in any number of ways to almost anything. At this point I will introduce a new concept... Perception creates and transcends reality. That is if we change our perception of what we think is possible we can change the reality of what is possible.


Did you know I have the miraculous ability to cause Heat to fall to the floor then rise back up when most all others believe Heat always rises?. It is an extremely complex and mind boggling procedure but it can be done. First you stretch out your arm then drop a sodium acetate hand warmer onto the floor which causes it to activate and start generating heat... congratulations you have done the impossible. Heat has fallen as Latent or "hidden" heat which is cold and then transformed into sensible heat which is hot causing the hot air to rise. We could speculate that hot and cold electrical currents work in a similar manner whereby the energy in a current may be latent within the flow of free electrons we call a current.


I can also cause heat to contract and fall rather than expand and rise... a little trick I learned from victor schauberger.  I believe Victor was correct when he said our civilization is based on the primitive concepts of consumption and the dissipation of energy as heat versus growth and the accumulation of energy without heat. Our understanding is so completely backwards that some people still think cutting down entire forests of trees and burning them for energy represents growth. Oh the humanity.


A tree can grow without generating heat, a tree can accumulate water and minerals and energy in itself without generating heat. A tree accumulates energy in itself to grow and as it grows it accumulates more and more energy. It is interesting to note most FE devices have these same qualities and the greater the load the greater the power generation with respect to the load. It may be that most are barking up the wrong tree and they should spend more time studying nature.


AC
« Last Edit: February 19, 2017, 02:44:51 AM by allcanadian »

sm0ky2

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7881 on: February 19, 2017, 05:43:41 AM »
Circuitwise the motor is just seen as an inductance
(Not much reactance since it only powers a small fan)
So in that sense it's just like the coil
The dc motor is always powered, so is the + of the cap
It doesn't discharge through the primary except when it sparks.


Inductance through the primary is what needs to be
considered in the LC tank.
The inductance through the motor that charges the cap
Is less important to the scheme of things.
What it affects is the capacitor charging time.
Not the resonance of the tank.




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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7882 on: February 19, 2017, 08:40:44 AM »
Q factor

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7883 on: February 19, 2017, 10:28:20 AM »
if someone cannot grasp the concept of accumulation versus dissipation then they will never truly understand how any FE devices work
In my theory overunity occurs during negentropic metastable phenomena like the overheating or oversaturation with release of the accumulated energy.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7884 on: February 19, 2017, 04:51:27 PM »
@all

OK, so maybe I need to take this a little slower.
So I am putting up the same patent drawing as before.

For now, forget there is a rotary switch (H). Consider supply to be DC positive (A) and negative (B) and the fan motor brushes overlap as in a regular DC motor.

So the fan motor to work needs what? It needs a positive and a negative potential to rotate. Right or wrong?

The negative is going directly to the fan motor coil (C) so how is the positive going to the motor. Yes, the positive goes from (A) to (K) to (L) to (M) to then land on the (G) terminal that feeds into the motor coil (F). RIGHT OR WRONG?

At this point you all need to stop and contemplate what this means. If there is no positive potential at (G), the motor will not turn. Right or Wrong? So what does this mean?

In standard EE we are told (or convinced) that the "electricity" flows in the wires so in fact if it does flow then there cannot be a separation of potential because in any flow of anything, there is no compression possible and since all the flow follows in a line, it all needs to be the same flow. So the construct in itself is faulty from the start. We have just been trained to disregard this discrepancy for the sake of sanity (given the construct touches on insanity) or what I do not know. But regardless, the positive still needs to arrive at terminal (G) if you want that motor to turn and that fact will never change.

So the capacitor (L) and the Primary (M) are now both positive biased while the motor turns. This mean the complete winds of the primary (M) are positive biased in the "direction" (hate that word but nothing better to use) going from (L) to (M) to (G). Looking at drawing let's say it goes from the right through (M) to the left going to the (G) terminal. The capacitor at this usage offers some "resistance" to feed the fan motor while the primary (M) offers almost no resistance and the fan motor turns.

While the fan motor turns, why should the capacitor increase in charge above and beyond what is supplied by the battery feed (A) and (B). IT CANNOT. The capacitor is no more no less then a conductor with some resistance because its capacitor function is negated by the fan motor sucking juice all the time.

If you guys can absorb this thus far, you will understand that up till now and while the fan motor is turning the primary (M) never saw a negative potential because the negative potential is stuck in the fan motor coil (C) while the positive went "through" (L) to (M) to (G) to then be stuck in the fan motor coil (F).

OK. Now let's go the the next step and include the rotary switch (H).

When H closes and connects (K) to (G), the positive still enters the fan motor coil (F) as it did before although with less resistance since it no longer has to go "through" (L) and (M). But now, with less resistance it hits the primary (M) as well but now from the left through (M) and lands into the capacitor (L). SO THE WORKING PRIMARY NEVER SEES A NEGATIVE POTENTIAL. IT ONLY SEES A POSITIVE POTENTIAL FROM RIGHT TO LEFT WHEN (H) IS OPEN AND FROM LEFT TO RIGHT WHEN (H) IS CLOSED.

In normal EE we want the primary to change polarities so that change can be coupled to the secondary as per the turn rations and produce the required output. But what Tesla has done here is not use both polarities across the primary (M). He just changed the "direction" of only one polarity, the positive and how it is biasing the primary (M) and the secondary not giving a shit on why the change occurs, sees this and produces output. Change is change.

Now, if we consider that to measure the power consumption of the battery, we need to have both polarities in the consumption loop, what Tesla did here is bypass that and only use both polarities to turn the motor but only the positive polarity to produce the OZONE.

All this is more then logical. It is based on Spin Conveyance Theory and not standard electron flow theory. At the time when Tesla saw this effect, he did not know of SCT and being the honest camper that he was, you could only describe the effect to the best of his observational ability. Hence we say the capacitor in the Tesla patent discharges otherwise how is it possible to produce Ozone? But with SC, you can get the same observational result but now with a more precise rendering of the real function. Amazingly and instinctively, Tesla also solves the problem of Half Coil Syndrome since the primary has the fan motor coil in series when the positive is from right to left and the capacitor is in series as well when the positive goes from left to right.

Look, I know you will never read such a description of the Ozone patent anywhere else on the planet so guys, instead of just shoving me around like a piece of shit, I suggest you look at this carefully. The TOP will never be properly described by conventional EE and I already know that a good number of you will catch onto this quickly via SC. Otherwise you will be stuck to explain to us all how the primary changes potential when it never sees a negative. The Tesla Ozone Patent is using an ALTERNATING POSITIVE BIAS on the primary to produce the output. Sounds crazy but new ideas usually do. That I cannot change.

I'll stop here because I know those who read but never post here will want some time to digest this. Bon Appetit.

Note to guys PMing me. Please better you post your questions to me on the appropriate thread so others can read them as well.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7885 on: February 19, 2017, 09:53:33 PM »
@ watt & everyone else
There is a fundamental difference between the connections
On the rotary containing the spark gap
The upper point (near G) is a gap
The lower point is a connection
The motor is always on, it's dc........

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7886 on: February 19, 2017, 10:23:42 PM »
@ watt & everyone else
There is a fundamental difference between the connections
On the rotary containing the spark gap
The upper point (near G) is a gap
The lower point is a connection
The motor is always on, it's dc........

Dear sm0ky2.

I have to disagree with you again.

The motor IS controlled by the rotary switch. You have source " A " onto " K " ...... " G " connects to the series windings and armature of the motor finally ending up at source " B " .

As the source would be relatively low in voltage I would consider it " in automotive " parlance to be the " LT " circuit.

Cheers Graham.

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7887 on: February 20, 2017, 12:54:50 AM »
Dear sm0ky2.

I have to disagree with you again.

The motor IS controlled by the rotary switch. You have source " A " onto " K " ...... " G " connects to the series windings and armature of the motor finally ending up at source " B " .

As the source would be relatively low in voltage I would consider it " in automotive " parlance to be the " LT " circuit.

Cheers Graham.

Been doing some research. The line level could be around 500vdc then. Some places higher, closer to the source, and lower into the 200 to 300vdc at the furthest reaches of the system. Thats where the advantage to ac comes in. The source voltage is boosted via transformer and can be sent long distance to step down transformers. Even before it gets to homes it is around 1500vac till it hits a transformer near the home and brought down to 120vac. DC could not be transformed down the line as ac can, back then. 

Imagine having 500vdc at an outlet. Was not a very safe system in my opinion

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7888 on: February 20, 2017, 01:01:19 AM »
@ watt & everyone else
There is a fundamental difference between the connections
On the rotary containing the spark gap
The upper point (near G) is a gap
The lower point is a connection
The motor is always on, it's dc........

If when the H controller switch opens, the motor could still be powered some till the cap is full or say at its max voltage level in operation. Still wondering if the large depiction of the cap means a large cap. What was large in those days?

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7889 on: February 20, 2017, 06:10:37 AM »
Dear sm0ky2.

I have to disagree with you again.

The motor IS controlled by the rotary switch. You have source " A " onto " K " ...... " G " connects to the series windings and armature of the motor finally ending up at source " B " .

As the source would be relatively low in voltage I would consider it " in automotive " parlance to be the " LT " circuit.

Cheers Graham.


I think people are confused about what is actually going on
The way he is using the motor to charge the cap
The commutator in the motor breaks the dc and inverts it
Forming ac
All dc motors do this
thats what the brushes and slip rings are for
The brushes on the +side of the motor (G) are the opposite
of the commutator
When one is "off" the other is "on".
The dc current from the source is not interrupted
Meaning the source does not see a "pulsing load"
Like the way I keep hearing people try to imagine this


The capacitor picks up the pulses that the commutator creates
Not the commutator at brush G, but the one inside the motor
All motors do this
Don't get caught up on his trick to make this one be the way it is


The capacitor Does see a high frequency pulse
Which is amplified by the low self inductive Primary.
The dc commutator lets the field go
It "interrupts" it
Because the field coils in the motor have a high inductance
It dumps to the cap when the motor switches


He's not "turning the motor off and on"