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Author Topic: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  (Read 3510156 times)

jbignes5

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7860 on: February 15, 2017, 08:15:45 PM »
 I Agree. The air gap does present a connection to the environment. If I am right and we condense plasma across the gap then the plasma has to come from around us and is still connected to the environment. The impedance is the rate of condensing across the gap of the excited plasma with the potential difference between the two electrodes driving the condensing rate as well. The source of the plasma is the Sun we take advantage of 24/7.
 Layers upon layers of plasma density surround our planet each layer having a certain conductivity of the Ionospheres potential (+365kv).
 In effect we have a plasma TV going on around our planet. With the ionosphere being the back light at night and day. This explains the no stars seen by humans around our planet. The light being merely electromagnetic in nature. Our eyes are not designed to see light in that way.

 So yes the Gap is important but not entirely necessary as per Tesla. The design changes a bit using 3 caps across a coil or 2 caps and an extra coil through a primary coil. I have to link to the Colorado notes for that design.

 So the break here is a rotary break and to the left of the main cap and primary coil.

 Second picture is with the extra coil

 Third picture is an original exciter circuit with spark gap as interrupter.

 The big difference is the wording BREAK or BR. Device

 Coincidentally does the 3 cap design look familiar? Reminds me of the Turkey demo...
 
 Now although these used caps Tesla was working on one terminal bifilar coils as inductive caps that he could scoop off energy through. Inductively. In the Colorado notes he shows this, picture 4 shown below.

 The 5th picture below is the coil or extra coil he talks about in the Notes on entry July 16, 1899.

 Reference: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm

Magluvin

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« Reply #7861 on: February 16, 2017, 03:15:14 AM »
I wonder what dc voltage system was used around the time of the patent, like what level of input voltage was available for city lighting back then?

Just thinking about the primary as shown and what size cap and voltage the cap would generally charge to. Seems like some high voltage to start with and then higher in the cap before switch closing, then higher voltage out of the secondary to produce ozone.

Or is it even necessary to go HV to start messing with this?  Just wondering if a heavy pri of 5 or so turns with a cap might oscillate longer than expected. I have some high strand number 4awg, or would we be looking at litz preferably? Then a cap. Probably go for some hv caps online of a few diff values.

Dunno. Just thinkin on it some

Mags

Magluvin

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« Reply #7862 on: February 16, 2017, 04:30:07 AM »
I did a sim of an LRC made up of 100uh, 1uf and a 10uohm resistance. Charging up the inductor for 1ms with 5v, the oscillation started at 5.8v, 16khz.
It took 39sec to ring down to 1v.  Just an experiment in resistive loss in this case. The LC would have to have very low resistance to ring like that. The cap, the pri, the connections.  So to get a setup to ring for hours would mean what? Something there assisting that longevity?

Mags

sm0ky2

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7863 on: February 16, 2017, 09:17:10 AM »
You need to qualify that by stating that to "YOU",,

it does not matter at all to me.


And you are discussing this topic for what?

sm0ky2

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7864 on: February 16, 2017, 10:20:58 AM »
@jb


Yes exactly
Coils have a capacitance and therefore can replace capacitors
But their inductance makes them twice as powerful as a
capacitor of the same value.


@ mags
"Hv" is a matter of perspective
Tesla could just as easily convert 10 V into 1 million
As he could 20v into 50


It's all a matter of the # of turns in the transformer


What is important is the range of distance the primary
voltage will spark, and the range of frequencies that
allows us to adjust through with the variable spark gap
within this range.


The higher the voltage of the primary, the wider the bandwidth
of frequencies we can access.


The reason Tesla pushed the limits of voltage, was to push the
Limits of Frequency.


sm0ky2

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7865 on: February 16, 2017, 10:51:39 AM »
What happens when we approach the plank length
With our 'wavelength'?


sm0ky2

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7866 on: February 16, 2017, 12:45:18 PM »
f = 1 / 2(pi)[(sqrt)(LC)]

sm0ky2

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7867 on: February 17, 2017, 03:51:10 AM »
I'm by no means saying "we have to use a spark gap"
I was merely pointing out that Tesla explicitly used them.


Today we have advanced semiconductor technology
We can switch almost as fast and with more consistency


Resonance does not care where the impedance, capacitance,
and inductance comes from.
Like comparing all the different musical instruments in the world
With a single common factor.


I would place teslas circuits in the same group as all of those instruments.
He intentionally caused constructive interference.


Where as every circuit we build today is designed with the intention
of NOT causing it. Or worse, causing Destructive interference.


Think about the bridge that a slight breeze over a long time
Can rip into pieces

citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7868 on: February 17, 2017, 05:55:31 PM »
Webby,

A well designed and operating properly DC motor does NOT have a lot of arcing and sparking at the brushes.  And the brushes most of the time last for years in an industrial environment where these motors run sometimes every day all day long.

Arcing and sparking at the brushes indicate the motor armature has a problem or the motor does not have the brushes set up properly in the neutral zone like they are supposed to be.  Now of course with the little common universal vacuum cleaner or drill motor it just isn't cost effective to spend time and money adjusting them for best performance even if they did have that capability which most of them don't.

Did you ever figure out why the capacitor and transformer could not send a spike to the motor on the Tesla patent?

Carroll

citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7869 on: February 17, 2017, 11:34:46 PM »
Webby,

Which part of the circuit has the most inductance?

Carroll

citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7870 on: February 18, 2017, 02:16:36 AM »
Yes.  So which is going to produce the greater kickback or spike?

Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7871 on: February 18, 2017, 11:08:40 AM »

"This generator I connect up with a condenser or conductor
of some capacity and discharge the accumulated electrical energy
disruptively through an air-space....
"


Any questions?


How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? ;) ::) 8)


I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.
Cause i believe that this is the missing link about the truth.  :)
included schematic would be more appreciated. ;)

citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7872 on: February 18, 2017, 02:02:09 PM »

How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? ;) ::) 8)


I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.
Cause i believe that this is the missing link about the truth.  :)
included schematic would be more appreciated. ;)

I see no missing link in the statement you quoted.  It is a very clear statement.  Maybe you should go back to the basics and start over.  You have obviously missed something about how the basic components of electricity work.  Or is your problem a language problem?  Don't you know that condenser is another word for capacitor?

Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7873 on: February 18, 2017, 06:22:20 PM »

Are you among those who will continue to take Tito serious after this post? 


Why is he asking you to answer a question that was clearly answered in the quote!!!!  (Not a question...) 


Quote:


"This generator I connect up with a condenser or conductor of some capacity and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space...."
End quote.


So many listening to this guy.....incredible....

Ok, so the cap can be either a condenser(cap) 'OR' bifi coil. If either can be used, why is it important to note this?


Mags

Bob Smith

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7874 on: February 18, 2017, 06:26:45 PM »
Quote

Quote from: sm0ky2 on February 15, 2017, 04:15:44 PM<blockquote>
"This generator I connect up with a condenser or conductor
of some capacity and discharge the accumulated electrical energy
disruptively through an air-space...."

Any questions?
</blockquote>


How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? ;) ::) 8)

I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.
Cause i believe that this is the missing link about the truth.  :)
included schematic would be more appreciated. ;)
For me, and I'm going to use very simple terms here, Tito's basic setup consists of using an antenna coil to accumulate charge, which goes into a cap, which is discharged into an open secondary. But for me, one of the keys to this working is acknowledging the importance of Lenz' law as the cap's "push" discharge is dumped into the secondary. But Lenz' law tells us that with every "push" (if you like) discharge introduced into an inductor, there's also a corresponding opposite "pull"  of charge into the inductor. A third coil, basically a mirror reflection of the first, is needed to allow this "pull" action to enter into the secondary.


When you're pulsing a cap, a charge is steadily being introduced to one side, and the resulting imbalance of charge between the two terminals stresses the dielectric between the cap's terminals.  The dielectric (i.e., ambient/aether) responds to this imbalance and supplies a charge to the other side of the cap.  Again, the way I see it, it's a question of charge from one antenna coil building up in the cap until it discharges (push), which in turn causes its mirror image coil to draw in charge (pull) and discharge (push), and the ping-pong (remember that one?) action continues.


When I look at Tesla's orthogonal motors (even the motor in the ozone patent) I see the same push-pull action going on in the way the stator coils are linked. For me, Tesla's genius is hidden right there in plain sight in the simplicity of the motor's design.  The genius of this design and the importance of working with Lenz' law have been purposefully erased from our consciousness.  Lenz' law is our friend, and until we embrace that, I don't think we're going to get anywhere.


Maybe I'm naïve, but I think all we need here is coils, diodes and caps to get a small scale version running. 


Bob