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Author Topic: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  (Read 2123466 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7905 on: February 17, 2017, 05:55:31 PM »
Webby,

A well designed and operating properly DC motor does NOT have a lot of arcing and sparking at the brushes.  And the brushes most of the time last for years in an industrial environment where these motors run sometimes every day all day long.

Arcing and sparking at the brushes indicate the motor armature has a problem or the motor does not have the brushes set up properly in the neutral zone like they are supposed to be.  Now of course with the little common universal vacuum cleaner or drill motor it just isn't cost effective to spend time and money adjusting them for best performance even if they did have that capability which most of them don't.

Did you ever figure out why the capacitor and transformer could not send a spike to the motor on the Tesla patent?

Carroll

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7906 on: February 17, 2017, 07:13:37 PM »
The high performance motors I have played with had very little to no arcing and stuff,, they also cost a lot more.

Funny about the spike thing,, in my testbed I tried I could get one,, when I say high voltage spike I do not mean high voltage as in KV's from 10V but something higher than 10V and only for a short shot,, a spike.

I would appreciate a simplified walk through of what your take is,, you do have a lot more knowledge in this area than I do.

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« Reply #7907 on: February 17, 2017, 10:20:18 PM »
If the cap is charged and the interrupter is closed then the cap\coil are in a parallel connection and so the cap will discharge through the coil.

When the coil has current flowing through it the secondary will have an induction event as well but the current from that event will depend upon the resistance of the Ozone plates,, high resistance equals low current which equals little if any current countered in the primary.

With current flow through the coil when the interrupter opens it opens the parallel circuit into a high impedance motor that is running.  The high impedance will stop current flow within the coil\cap exchange thus collapsing the flux rapidly.

So,, for that spike to hit the motor it would need to complete the circuit through the supply because the other side of the supply is connected to the other side of the motor.

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7908 on: February 17, 2017, 11:34:46 PM »
Webby,

Which part of the circuit has the most inductance?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7909 on: February 18, 2017, 01:45:38 AM »
The motor I assume.

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Offline citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7910 on: February 18, 2017, 02:16:36 AM »
Yes.  So which is going to produce the greater kickback or spike?

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7911 on: February 18, 2017, 11:08:40 AM »

"This generator I connect up with a condenser or conductor
of some capacity and discharge the accumulated electrical energy
disruptively through an air-space....
"


Any questions?


How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? ;) ::) 8)


I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.
Cause i believe that this is the missing link about the truth.  :)
included schematic would be more appreciated. ;)

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Offline webby1

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7912 on: February 18, 2017, 01:23:35 PM »
Yes.  So which is going to produce the greater kickback or spike?

The one that sees the fastest rate of change,, the coil.

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« Reply #7913 on: February 18, 2017, 02:02:09 PM »

How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? ;) ::) 8)


I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.
Cause i believe that this is the missing link about the truth.  :)
included schematic would be more appreciated. ;)

I see no missing link in the statement you quoted.  It is a very clear statement.  Maybe you should go back to the basics and start over.  You have obviously missed something about how the basic components of electricity work.  Or is your problem a language problem?  Don't you know that condenser is another word for capacitor?

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« Reply #7914 on: February 18, 2017, 04:16:07 PM »
Yes.  So which is going to produce the greater kickback or spike?

I think I see the difference between us.

I think you are destroying the magnetic capacitance of the coil where as I am seeing the discharge of that capacitance as turning the coil into a momentary source of voltage that is connected in series with the supply voltage.

The magnetic capacitance of the coil is a relationship between the physical properties of the coil and the quantity of current flowing through it.

The high inductance motor will respond with a change in voltage with a corresponding change in RPM but will limit the current flow as such to try and keep it constant.


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Offline Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7915 on: February 18, 2017, 06:22:20 PM »

Are you among those who will continue to take Tito serious after this post? 


Why is he asking you to answer a question that was clearly answered in the quote!!!!  (Not a question...) 


Quote:


"This generator I connect up with a condenser or conductor of some capacity and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space...."
End quote.


So many listening to this guy.....incredible....

Ok, so the cap can be either a condenser(cap) 'OR' bifi coil. If either can be used, why is it important to note this?


Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7916 on: February 18, 2017, 06:26:45 PM »
Quote

Quote from: sm0ky2 on February 15, 2017, 04:15:44 PM<blockquote>
"This generator I connect up with a condenser or conductor
of some capacity and discharge the accumulated electrical energy
disruptively through an air-space...."

Any questions?
</blockquote>


How do you think He accumulated electrical energy? ;) ::) 8)

I am challenging everyone to participate to answer this question to help everyone.
Cause i believe that this is the missing link about the truth.  :)
included schematic would be more appreciated. ;)
For me, and I'm going to use very simple terms here, Tito's basic setup consists of using an antenna coil to accumulate charge, which goes into a cap, which is discharged into an open secondary. But for me, one of the keys to this working is acknowledging the importance of Lenz' law as the cap's "push" discharge is dumped into the secondary. But Lenz' law tells us that with every "push" (if you like) discharge introduced into an inductor, there's also a corresponding opposite "pull"  of charge into the inductor. A third coil, basically a mirror reflection of the first, is needed to allow this "pull" action to enter into the secondary.


When you're pulsing a cap, a charge is steadily being introduced to one side, and the resulting imbalance of charge between the two terminals stresses the dielectric between the cap's terminals.  The dielectric (i.e., ambient/aether) responds to this imbalance and supplies a charge to the other side of the cap.  Again, the way I see it, it's a question of charge from one antenna coil building up in the cap until it discharges (push), which in turn causes its mirror image coil to draw in charge (pull) and discharge (push), and the ping-pong (remember that one?) action continues.


When I look at Tesla's orthogonal motors (even the motor in the ozone patent) I see the same push-pull action going on in the way the stator coils are linked. For me, Tesla's genius is hidden right there in plain sight in the simplicity of the motor's design.  The genius of this design and the importance of working with Lenz' law have been purposefully erased from our consciousness.  Lenz' law is our friend, and until we embrace that, I don't think we're going to get anywhere.


Maybe I'm na├»ve, but I think all we need here is coils, diodes and caps to get a small scale version running. 


Bob


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7918 on: February 18, 2017, 08:53:07 PM »
Just did a simple test with 6 turns of 4awg around a 4in pvc pipe. Charged up a 4.7uf 100v cap. Blue dip cap

I charged the cap to 30v and discharged it to the coil with a scope on the coil. So far not much. So is the problem with the cap used? Is it necessary to have a bifi coil cap instead? Would it be of an advantage to integrate the pri with the bifi inductively to help keep the oscillation going longer. Im going to try a few more things with this to see what I can come up with on those terms. I suppose the bifi cap would be open ended to act as a cap only, but if it is wound as a coil, induction could play a part in how the open ended bifi reacts.

Mags

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7919 on: February 18, 2017, 09:42:45 PM »
In the Ozone Paten ( pg 530 of this thread)
Negative side of the input (dc power source)
Goes through the motor windings, the commutator
And grounded to the motor case. Turns the motor
As well as through the primary coil to the - side of
The capacitor
+ side of capacitor is constantly being charged by the
dc power source.
Once the capacitor reaches the potential to arc across the
adjustable spark gap on the rotating disk attached to the
motor shaft, it discharges through the primary coil. There
is no effective feedback through the motor back to the source
because the potential exists between the capacitor plates


The frequency is generally 2x that of the motor rpm, due to
the physical construction. Controlled by a variable resistance.
The two contact points on the disk allow for a contact twice per
rotation. If more is required, multiple arc paths can be used in the disk.
Drawing is simplified.


The secondary coil bears little in the primary in terms of operating
frequency. The resonance that is set up in the LC primary tank overpowers
the minuscule current drawn off through the secondary induction.
And the high potentials makes it so the path of least resistance is through
the ionization of atoms and molecules in the space between the plates of the
Ozone Maker. This is what creates the Ozone, some of the ionized O(-) atoms
have enough energy to bond into groups of 3 or more instead of the low energy
O2 we are used to at human altitudes.
Current can't go back through the transformer
Not quite a diode, but an inhibiting resistance path.
Whatever charge is left on the plates when the field collapse occurs in the inductor
Is lost.
The oscillating primary tank in this circuit could probably drive several devices
before you had any noticeable impact on the tank.

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