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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8190 on: October 06, 2017, 09:32:20 AM »
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« Reply #8191 on: October 06, 2017, 01:01:14 PM »
Hey Er.. 

Would there be coil shorting on the bifilar windings to get them "spun up" so to say as to get the voltages for ozone production?

Mags


Hello Mags,


Nah....no coil shorting of any of the windings...  Folk need to think about what a coil is from the perspective of the coil, and not from the perspective of either our peers or collectively agreed upon "competent authorities". 


We know how to produce ozone generating voltages, however, coils configured and operated in that manner we have already....In coils operated in that manner, the gradient is......? and the desired is......?  I am not interested in the firmly established, I am not suggesting more of the same....I want that which eludes detection. 


What is a coil?  How does it store energy....?


When generating.....what's being generated....?


Energy amplification.....what energy...?




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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8192 on: October 06, 2017, 01:11:56 PM »

In my own defense, the harping was more about the significance of the relations between three coils....this more so than the necessity for three coils....  It should be obvious how they are "physically" related....do we have more than two options...?  I hope you don't mind my saying, in my opinion, your thinking is in the right place, however, your questions are still too generic, too general.....  If possible focus on "interactions" between coils rather than physical relations....


There are people on this platform who have experimented with multifilar coils....none of them have demonstrated what I have shown you in our offline discussions....what are they missing......




Regards


Is the multifilar coil to be arranged as the constituent coils in Tesla’s ozone patent circuit?  With the coils being switched between magnetic conjunction and opposition?  This would give that impedance mismatch of which you’ve spoken..


I have experimented with various arrangements using opposition charging and conjunction discharging to run a motor.  You can see a jacknoskills inspired circuit that I experimented with a few months ago using the opposing end of the third winding as a source of high potential.  Although you mentioned in a post a while back that during cap charging, the motor would spin.  This didn’t happen in the arrangement I was experimenting with.  However, using the correct configuration, I could in a similar manner cause conjunction charging and opposition discharging just by making a few adjustments, thus causing motoring force during cap charging.


I have no idea if I have been searching in the right direction but I figured I’d throw this out there so you can either completely destroy it or encourage it.


Thanks,


Dave

« Last Edit: October 06, 2017, 03:50:10 PM by web000x »

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« Reply #8193 on: October 06, 2017, 04:13:32 PM »
Is the multifilar coil to be arranged as the constituent coils in Tesla’s ozone patent circuit?
 


As far as I am concerned, this isn't about "to multifilar or not", this is "supposed" to be about "considering" the relations between wires, a task which should have followed a careful consideration of relations between turns of a single wire wound solenoid. 


With the coils being switched between magnetic conjunction and opposition?  This would give that impedance mismatch of which you’ve spoken..

Regarding the first question.....purpose?  Regarding the second question.....no it wouldn't...



I have experimented with various arrangements using opposition charging and conjunction discharging to run a motor.  You can see a jacknoskills inspired circuit that I experimented with a few months ago using the opposing end of the third winding as a source of high potential. 


I hear what you're saying....  not how I am doing things...but I do hear you.



Although you mentioned in a post a while back that during cap charging, the motor would spin.  This didn’t happen in the arrangement I was experimenting with.  However, using the correct configuration, I could in a similar manner cause conjunction charging and opposition discharging just by making a few adjustments, thus causing motoring force during cap charging.


This reads like I made up what I suggested....I didn't......(FIRST AND FOREMOST) I followed the instructions that Tesla gave to the world.  After I comprehended a thing or two, I made what I believe are acceptable modifications to the circuit. 


If you build the circuit like it is in the patent, substituting the motor for a single coil (for ease of familiarization purposes) you will experience exactly what I said will happen.  Specifically, with the switch "OPEN", an empty capacitor is inserted in the circuit, it will charge to the supply potential, through the motor and transformer, a magnet placed on the coil can be thrown across the room when charging a capacitor of moderate capacity, and a neon will fire when placed on the secondary of the transformer.  From this point, you can replace the coil with a properly selected motor.



I have no idea if I have been searching in the right direction but I figured I’d throw this out there so you can either completely destroy it or encourage it.

Thanks,


Dave


I am not here to destroy your effort....nor am I here to encourage a line of thinking which I know will not yield what I have uncovered.  You must comprehend the self evident, and from there, focus on that which was implied, but never stated.  The latter task is impossible if the prior was not successfully accomplished.




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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #8194 on: October 06, 2017, 06:58:41 PM »
"The latter task is
impossible if the prior was not successfully
accomplished."

Not if ur lucky

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
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« Reply #8195 on: October 06, 2017, 11:07:52 PM »
Multiplying Free Energy is super simple with this GEM-(Geometrical Electricity Multiplier=AC type) free electricity multiplying mechanism at http://free-energy.yolasite.com/. This is a device that can be easily + cheaply assembled by using one large pulley attached to a DC motor, + at least one mini-pulley connected to an AC generator, both must be of the same voltage, 4 diodes to build a crude full wave bridge rectifier-(converts your AC output into DC input that your drive motor needs), a lot of wire to connect your electrical components together, and a belt, strap or tied piece of rope or string, to connect the two or more pulleys together. This has to be dirt simple + cheap to build, as it will be needed to be built by the Tribulation Saints, whom cannot buy or sell.
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This works on the simplest of principles, the principles of basic preschool pulley mechanics, where you only have to pay the small amount of electricity,(only a spark) that it takes to gain one single rotation of a DC motor, with a large 100 cm circumference pulley attached to it. With this one rotation of a large pulley, you can freely gain a long length of 100 cm of moving belt, which will give you a multiple of 100 rotations, for your one, or as many 1 cm circumference mini-pulleys that you wish to attach to this same belt. Then all that you would have to do is, attach AC generators to as many of these mini-pulleys that you choose to attach to the same belt as your large 100 cm pulley, which is attached to a DC drive motor.
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You could even freely gain 1000 cycles of AC electricity from this single burst of DC current, if you chose to attach 10 mini-pulleys to the same belt/strap, with AC generators. Please don't listen to these fake worries about torque being a problem, as these mini-pulleys would run free of any torque, as torque comes from when you need to generate power. Power is calculated by multiplying voltage time current, and although your many rotations of these mini-pulleys are generating massive voltage, which is exactly what you need to crank over your DC drive motor the one single time, you are in need of only one mere spark of current. So, even massive amounts of voltage, when it is multiplied by the almost zero amount of current that it takes to rotate a DC motor once, it would equal out to practically zero power, cost practically zero torque. 


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« Reply #8196 on: October 09, 2017, 03:01:18 PM »
Hi Erfinder,

Would the attached photo be one way to get the proper relationship you are referring to?  The coils are trifilar with with two number 30 gauge wires for the motor drive and one 24 gauge wire for recovery of spikes and magnet passes.  The motor windings are fired 180 degrees apart to match the alternating polarity of the magnets.  Or to explain it more clearly each winding gets fired 45 degrees after the last winding since there are 8 magnets with alternating polarity.

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Carroll


Your post on the energetic forum sheds more light on what you are doing with this machine....why would you associate it with what is being called "zero force"?


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« Reply #8197 on: October 09, 2017, 03:12:04 PM »
As I explained in my last post in that thread I don't really consider it the same as THE "Zero Force Motor" as I have not even watched any of  the videos about that motor or read the book.  I originally posted the video to show Bro. Mikey he was wrong about a motor with air coils running away because of no BEMF.  I was then asked by Aaron if I would be willing to share more about what I was doing.  So after a few days of consideration I decided to share some of what I was up to.  I didn't share some other ideas I have for power and generating coils.  Those are not for a group of people that won't even try to replicate correctly what someone takes time to show them.

Thanks for all your hints and suggestions.  I am still trying to learn and feel I have a long way to go to get even close to where I want to be.

Kind regards,
Carroll

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« Reply #8198 on: October 09, 2017, 03:33:09 PM »
As I explained in my last post in that thread I don't really consider it the same as THE "Zero Force Motor" as I have not even watched any of  the videos about that motor or read the book.  I originally posted the video to show Bro. Mikey he was wrong about a motor with air coils running away because of no BEMF.  I was then asked by Aaron if I would be willing to share more about what I was doing.  So after a few days of consideration I decided to share some of what I was up to.  I didn't share some other ideas I have for power and generating coils.  Those are not for a group of people that won't even try to replicate correctly what someone takes time to show them.

Thanks for all your hints and suggestions.  I am still trying to learn and feel I have a long way to go to get even close to where I want to be.

Kind regards,
Carroll


I am not offering hints.....I ask folk to ask the same questions I asked...  Some do, most don't.  I have no idea where you want your search to take you.....I do know where I am headed.  I do know what the issues are with the zero force concept as it is being discussed on those platforms where I am no longer welcome.  I have perfected my own method to a very high degree.  It is unfortunate, but as it stands the blind are following the blind in that and many other regards.


Anyway....having read your post, I can and will say, do not stray from your present line of experimentation.  From the information you provided, you are not on the same page as I am, however you are in the same book, and to my surprise, reading from the same chapter....


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« Reply #8199 on: October 09, 2017, 04:45:08 PM »
It would probably be wise for me not to digress, the discussion is about "Energy Amplification"....  It's strange, after all this time, it appears as if none are aware of the "exact" instance, when the term "amplification" applies.... specifically in the ozone patent.


We talk about Tesla as if we know him through his works, I find we dishonor him by not seeing, and thereby appreciating what he laid at our feet.....  The ozone patent is a masterpiece......mastery of which is but the first step....


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« Reply #8200 on: October 14, 2017, 05:07:27 PM »
It would probably be wise for me not to digress, the discussion is about "Energy Amplification"....  It's strange, after all this time, it appears as if none are aware of the "exact" instance, when the term "amplification" applies.... specifically in the ozone patent.

We talk about Tesla as if we know him through his works, I find we dishonor him by not seeing, and thereby appreciating what he laid at our feet.....  The ozone patent is a masterpiece......mastery of which is but the first step....
Regards

Hear, hear!!!

But what does the patent really do?

Here is the problem with the capacitor. Many say the capacitor "discharges" when H connects. OK, explain to me how the capacitor charges and how it keeps its charge, too then discharge. The problem being that during Teslas' time there were no diodes to hold any charge in a capacitor for it to then be discharged when required. In the patent, the capacitor is inline between a constantly connected positive potential on one side of it, and on the other side it is constantly connected to the working primary that is connected to the fan and rotary switch turning dc motor brushes that then goes to the negative potential. So the capacitor is always connected to the source and is never left as charged so it in reality cannot discharge any more then the source itself. There cannot be a high discharge of capacitive potential. In water terms, the capacitor becomes something akin to a low volume pressure tank or better put a small water hammer arrestor. But why put an arrestor on the positive line before the working primary? It is because the arrestor or capacitor is put there because when the feed potential is reversed again when H opens, the "let's say current" can reverse back into the working primary and because of the capacitor it lands in the capacitor thus passing 100% of the working primary and by doing so creates a change in the total length of the working primary which is the real object of the patent. How to change potential in all of the primary and not only in half of it like it would undergo if it was switched in a traditional linear circuit.

Mind play. What happens if you took the capacitor out and replaced it with a nice inductive coil or even another DC motor but that had twice or three times the inductance of the existing fan motor? So you have two dc motors running on each side of the working primary. This will do the same thing as how Tesla is using the capacitor. From the positive side, the capacitor is seen as a normal wire that conducts like any other wire will do. From the negative side the same capacitor is seen as an small expansion point making sure that anything that goes to the working primary passes it completely and slightly expanding in the capacitor. Hence the more COMPLETE the potential change can occur in the working primary, the more it will impart to the high voltage secondary. Yes it is a true masterpiece. He is basically using the capacitor as a high inductance coil in series with the low inductance working primary.

One day I would like to make an animation of the circuit workings of that patent under Spin Conveyance because under the Standard EE model, that patent is just a technical mess and most likely one of the main reasons why this patent has been so misunderstood for so long. You cannot explain it with Standard EE and maybe this is one of the reasons why Tesla made it to fly in the face of the inconsistent physics eggs that were being laid by the intellectual hens of those days. Basically with this patent Tesla found a way to beat or circumvent Half Coil Syndrome which he probably knew existed but did not have any way of discussing it because the mentally of electricity travel in a wire was so pervasive, being a false notion that relegated our effects as linear travel, but there never was any electricity travel, it was always conveyed. 

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« Reply #8201 on: October 14, 2017, 05:28:06 PM »
Hear, hear!!!

But what does the patent really do?

Here is the problem with the capacitor. Many say the capacitor "discharges" when H connects. OK, explain to me how the capacitor charges and how it keeps its charge, too then discharge. The problem being that during Teslas' time there were no diodes to hold any charge in a capacitor for it to then be discharged when required. In the patent, the capacitor is inline between a constantly connected positive potential on one side of it, and on the other side it is constantly connected to the working primary that is connected to the fan and rotary switch turning dc motor brushes that then goes to the negative potential. So the capacitor is always connected to the source and is never left as charged so it in reality cannot discharge any more then the source itself. There cannot be a high discharge of capacitive potential. In water terms, the capacitor becomes something akin to a low volume pressure tank or better put a small water hammer arrestor. But why put an arrestor on the positive line before the working primary? It is because the arrestor or capacitor is put there because when the feed potential is reversed again when H opens, the "let's say current" can reverse back into the working primary and because of the capacitor it lands in the capacitor thus passing 100% of the working primary and by doing so creates a change in the total length of the working primary which is the real object of the patent. How to change potential in all of the primary and not only in half of it like it would undergo if it was switched in a traditional linear circuit.

Mind play. What happens if you took the capacitor out and replaced it with a nice inductive coil or even another DC motor but that had twice or three times the inductance of the existing fan motor? So you have two dc motors running on each side of the working primary. This will do the same thing as how Tesla is using the capacitor. From the positive side, the capacitor is seen as a normal wire that conducts like any other wire will do. From the negative side the same capacitor is seen as an small expansion point making sure that anything that goes to the working primary passes it completely and slightly expanding in the capacitor. Hence the more COMPLETE the potential change can occur in the working primary, the more it will impart to the high voltage secondary. Yes it is a true masterpiece. He is basically using the capacitor as a high inductance coil in series with the low inductance working primary.

One day I would like to make an animation of the circuit workings of that patent under Spin Conveyance because under the Standard EE model, that patent is just a technical mess and most likely one of the main reasons why this patent has been so misunderstood for so long. You cannot explain it with Standard EE and maybe this is one of the reasons why Tesla made it to fly in the face of the inconsistent physics eggs that were being laid by the intellectual hens of those days. Basically with this patent Tesla found a way to beat or circumvent Half Coil Syndrome which he probably knew existed but did not have any way of discussing it because the mentally of electricity travel in a wire was so pervasive, being a false notion that relegated our effects as linear travel, but there never was any electricity travel, it was always conveyed. 

wattsup


If you make animation or better yet , video with your explanation of Tesla patent I will be glad to watch it many times to grasp the idea. Things are harder to understand with age especially in foreign language :-( It would be really helpful. I had the idea but I cannot prove it or check it, and with my very rude experiments it seems to be wrong...but I thought that maybe Tesla used the shorting coil method used by Aviso to charge capacitor to higher voltage.

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« Reply #8202 on: October 14, 2017, 09:45:58 PM »
If you make animation or better yet , video with your explanation of Tesla patent I will be glad to watch it many times to grasp the idea. Things are harder to understand with age especially in foreign language :-( It would be really helpful. I had the idea but I cannot prove it or check it, and with my very rude experiments it seems to be wrong...but I thought that maybe Tesla used the shorting coil method used by Aviso to charge capacitor to higher voltage.

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This thread goes back many years indeed and back in 2011 I had posted a small animation to show the simplistic nature of how both polarities of a battery advance into a circuit.
http://overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg279767/#msg279767

Years later, I then did some videos of Half Coil Syndrome to show how our coils work when pulsed on one side only. This one side pulsing is the bane of our existence and includes probably 98% of how our coils and motors are used and why we will never go above COP in this manner.

I have had many years since then to put it all together under one main atomic effect of the nucleus that has been neglected ever since Faraday was "forced" to rationalize the coil and compass effect as being a field related effect. He had to include the field because our past was built on it since 100s of years before him. Academia at the time only wanted the field construct to fit the effect and help our minds grasp or hallucinate "action at a distance". But it was all faulty logic married by Maxwell to fancy numbers. This is still where we are today. Faulty or not, our toys work so who cares, right?

So of course today such a construct as Spin Conveyance is like saying Jesus was not the son of God but an offspring of extraterrestrial alien insemination. But man oh man, SC explains it all so fluently that the EE Electron and Field model will one day become obsolete. It may take 20 years before it hits the classes but the more I see this the more stronger my position is. Usually, when a construct is spawned, it will quickly die from inconsistent matching to effects. But SC fits it all. I am sure if I put this in front of Tesla in his days, he would have realized the importance and direct attribution and understanding of our effects as in this manner, instead of the Electron/Field construct he so despised just by his own natural sense of universal cause and effect. He knew it down in his gut that something was wrong with the Electron model but he had his own priorities and we thank him for sticking to them and not being overly distracted in those days. Construct modelization was not his calling.

Example problem: You pulse a nice square wave onto one side of a coil. You scope the coil and see this crazy looking waveform. You then increase the frequency of that same square wave pulse and all of a sudden you see this bland boring sine wave showing a gradual increase, peak, gradual decrease to zero then you see this gradual increase going below the zero line to a peak "negative" then a gradual increase to zero again. So now, try to explain how purported electrons traveling in a wire at said speeds that would make your heart stop, all in one direction from a square wave pulse will create a nice sine wave above a certain frequency. Try to explain that with Standard EE physics. Oh this must be one of those famous exceptions to the Standard Model. If a physics model is to have any sense of truth, how can you even accept one exception. No a model MUST handle all effects if it is to be considered viable. As soon as it fails on a major cause/effect, it has to be scrapped or modified. The fact that science has had 100s of years of piece-mealing and force-feeding our accepted science into what it is today does not make it right. It only makes it mildly palpable and greatly full of holes. But if you never consider that there can be holes, you will never even look for them.

As pulse frequency goes faster, the transformation of a complex waveform into a simple sine waveform shows us that we have reached the physical limits of a physical condition and the only physical condition that it can be is the copper nucleus' limit to how fast it can sway to an impulse and return from an impulse. If you held your hand steady while you let your index finger point up to its extreme limit and down to its extreme limit as a physical movement, then if I asked you to do that faster and faster, you will see that you cannot do that while keeping the same length of movement so the movements get shorter and shorter as you increase the speed. Your index finger just explained the same limitations in the nuclei which explains this cause/effect. It's so simple you would laugh. This same SC notion then can be used in variations to explain the physical effect of resistance,  inductance, capacitance, etc., all physical forms of effect that are today only explained by formulas and force fed by speedy moving electrons.

I had also made an animation on a Joule Thief circuit located here;
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=687.msg2330#msg2330

Also, two docs on SC are located here;
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=684.msg2326#msg2326

Sorry if my posts are long winded but luckily I don't post that often anymore. hahaha

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« Reply #8203 on: October 15, 2017, 11:22:27 AM »
Hallo guys, hope you are fine.
The bigger problem in this design is that very few people bother to test and experiment on. I also like to assume what a circuit does when i look at it, but in most of the instances there are issues that just can not be predicted.
Few things about what you miss here are:

1. There is no need for a diode but even if you use one the outcome doesn't change...a lot.
2. In this specific circuit the charging current is DC even if it can also  be done by using AC
3.  " currents with great electromotive force" is the key word
4. The phase between current and voltage is a condition which has to be taken seriously
5. Current's change of rate at key moments has a great impact on the operation.

But again without bench work it is rather impossible to see what is going on here. And as Erfinder said this is nothing else but the first step.

Wish you the best
Jeg

 

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« Reply #8204 on: October 15, 2017, 02:07:28 PM »
Hear, hear!!!
 
 But what does the patent really do?

In the future, it would be professional of you to refrain from quoting me....we don't think alike, we have nothing in common...you do not comprehend the patent under discussion, and it is my firm opinion that you are only here to massage your ego, with assistance of those who are willing to oil up and rub you down.....disgusting....


Tesla does a  superb job spelling out what the patent does...  I am sure you can read, but this isn't about reading it's about comprehending...  Can you see what is suggested but not communicated aloud.....  No...in this department you are an epic fail.
 
 
Here is the problem with the capacitor. Many say the capacitor "discharges" when H connects. OK, explain to me how the capacitor charges and how it keeps its charge, too then discharge. The problem being that during Teslas' time there were no diodes to hold any charge in a capacitor for it to then be discharged when required.


Everything following your brain fart can be filed in the trash bin.  Your ignorance and arrogance blinds you from that which matters.  Your inability to see and properly interpret the obvious is painful to watch.
In the example (Ozone circuit), the capacitor is charged by a DC source.....no diode required......duh....  In variations of the same circuit where AC is the source, he "diagrammatically" suggests a simple yet mind boggling method for charging AC caps to a DC potential without the use of rectifiers....  I was obsessed with the "missing rectifiers", so much so that I dedicated years to finding why he didn't use them and authorities and their minions state that they are a must...  I found the method, all that was required was that I dismiss my preconceived notions.


I can show you how it's done, how to charge a AC cap from an AC source to a DC potential without diodes, using a method which was well known and practiced in Teslas' time...  In exchange for the disclosure, I ask that you refrain from commenting in any thread on this forum dealing with Teslas' work!  Your theories are an unwelcome distraction.....If it was put to a vote.....I am positive folk would run your ass out of here, if for no other reason, curiosity regarding this cap charging method...
 
 

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