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Offline kinesisfilms

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2009, 11:15:14 PM »
kinesisfilms

You said you had this figured

You spoke of a release of your findings

If you could clear this up ?

Well..... there are no words for that

     Chet




yes i will clear everything up.....i have a spectrum analyzer a tektronix 496....i have a function generator for sweeping, i have an oscilloscope for lc resonance...i have everything BUT bnc to banana cables and banana cables to type n RF coaxial since my spectrum analyzer goes to from 1khz to 1.8ghz in measurements.......i have a low power working COPPER non resistive working version....we are talking approximately 100 volts from a 12 volt power supply.....i have a double pulse which was impossible to get prior.....but once i figured out the RLC "secrets" (it's only considered a secret since no one has ever looked into it and realized that too high of a frequency will cause your coil to act only as an inductor and to low of a frequency will cause it to act only as a capacitor...defeating the purpose of the bifilar wound inductor and therefore can never achieve the affects of a manual dc lc resonance).....thus you will have no second pulse.......ONCE I GET THE CABLES...i will have my stored energy pulsed exactly as the first is creating the double pulse...WHICH TO THIS DAY HAS NOT BEEN DONE AS DESCRIBED IN STANS PATENTS....everything i am witnessing i exactly as it looks in stans drawings....EXACTLY....now once i get my cables i will be able to provide FACTUAL information that is UNARGUABLE......then i consider this to be truely replicated....not some J Naudin type scenario or some hydrocarz mystery videos......i have an actual lab setup now......IM SORRY IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG BUT HONESTLY IT TAKES A WHILE TO ACCUMULATE 1,204 DOLLARS OF SPENDING MONEY........and after that i just step up everything to larger values which can only BE DONE WITH RESISTIVE WIRE......but simply winding resistive wire around an audio frequency pulsed core will not create HIGH VOLTAGES AT ALL.......dankie seems to think it is very easy......dankie you have honestly no idea.....the mathematical variables will in fact only go so far before there are too many unknowns to compute and that is why i have purchased a spectrum analyzer and a simple oscilloscope will only help you find the resonance between the vic and wfc but not the optimum frequency for your vic and core.

i am not a whack, i am not a hick in the woods, i am not a child, i am honestly doing this to end this once an for all and get this fucking information out there. BUT TIME TAKES MONEY AND THAT'S A BITCH.

so please understand i am one person.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2009, 11:15:14 PM »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2009, 11:37:54 PM »
kinesisfilms

Thankyou for your reply

There really are no words to describe your action   [that would do this justice]

      Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2009, 12:47:04 AM »
yes i will clear everything up.....i have a spectrum analyzer a tektronix 496....i have a function generator for sweeping, i have an oscilloscope for lc resonance...i have everything BUT bnc to banana cables and banana cables to type n RF coaxial since my spectrum analyzer goes to from 1khz to 1.8ghz in measurements.......i have a low power working COPPER non resistive working version....we are talking approximately 100 volts from a 12 volt power supply.....i have a double pulse which was impossible to get prior.....but once i figured out the RLC "secrets" (it's only considered a secret since no one has ever looked into it and realized that too high of a frequency will cause your coil to act only as an inductor and to low of a frequency will cause it to act only as a capacitor...defeating the purpose of the bifilar wound inductor and therefore can never achieve the affects of a manual dc lc resonance).....thus you will have no second pulse.......ONCE I GET THE CABLES...i will have my stored energy pulsed exactly as the first is creating the double pulse...WHICH TO THIS DAY HAS NOT BEEN DONE AS DESCRIBED IN STANS PATENTS....everything i am witnessing i exactly as it looks in stans drawings....EXACTLY....now once i get my cables i will be able to provide FACTUAL information that is UNARGUABLE......then i consider this to be truely replicated....not some J Naudin type scenario or some hydrocarz mystery videos......i have an actual lab setup now......IM SORRY IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG BUT HONESTLY IT TAKES A WHILE TO ACCUMULATE 1,204 DOLLARS OF SPENDING MONEY........and after that i just step up everything to larger values which can only BE DONE WITH RESISTIVE WIRE......but simply winding resistive wire around an audio frequency pulsed core will not create HIGH VOLTAGES AT ALL.......dankie seems to think it is very easy......dankie you have honestly no idea.....the mathematical variables will in fact only go so far before there are too many unknowns to compute and that is why i have purchased a spectrum analyzer and a simple oscilloscope will only help you find the resonance between the vic and wfc but not the optimum frequency for your vic and core.

i am not a whack, i am not a hick in the woods, i am not a child, i am honestly doing this to end this once an for all and get this fucking information out there. BUT TIME TAKES MONEY AND THAT'S A BITCH.

so please understand i am one person.

What second pulse?  Where does Meyer ever mention a second pulse?  Are you sure it is not a reflected pulse?

RLC or LC resonance?  then why does Meyer clearly state in WFC 425 that the VIC coil arrangement allows voltage across the chokes while current LAGS 90 degrees.  When at "resonance" current and voltage are in phase.

Stop making the VIC coil so damn complicated.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2009, 01:04:56 AM »
What second pulse?  Where does Meyer ever mention a second pulse?  Are you sure it is not a reflected pulse?

RLC or LC resonance?  then why does Meyer clearly state in WFC 425 that the VIC coil arrangement allows voltage across the chokes while current LAGS 90 degrees.  When at "resonance" current and voltage are in phase.

Stop making the VIC coil so damn complicated.


The VIC is not complicated , we know what core was used , what bobbin material , what wire size , what wire , the desired resistance of the chokes , detailed sizes ... We have the pictures of it thx to Dynodon ... Its just a modified pulse transformer and everything makes 100% sense so far , everything is extremely coherent ... We have already identified nearly all the variables ...

We have Stan on video telling us this is it , we have the briefing telling us this is it ... We have pictures of it ... We have alot of info on the VIC now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg

The only thing thats complicated is what you make of the VIC with your stories and speculations ... Just follow the evidence , its that simple , Meyers wasnt lying to us , you can see that the Gas processor and the VIC are identical to the drawings found in the tech brief .

Everything makes 100% sense , everything is 100% backed by evidence ...



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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2009, 01:16:12 AM »
Grumpy - The second pulse I think he is referring to is in Meyer's notes he shows one pulse in but get's two pulses out. Now the only way I know how to do that is with a pulse compression.

Read my last post to "K".  (VIC coil can rest in peace.)

Yes, you get two pulses, one positive and one negative - from one input pulse.   There-in lies a secret, by the way.
(It sounded like he meant two of the same polarity.)

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The VIC is not complicated , we know what core was used , what bobbin material , what wire size , what wire , the desired resistance of the chokes , detailed sizes ... We have the pictures of it thx to Dynodon ... Its just a modified pulse transformer and everything makes 100% sense so far , everything is extremely coherent ... We have already identified nearly all the variables ...

We have Stan on video telling us this is it , we have the briefing telling us this is it ... We have pictures of it ... We have alot of info on the VIC now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg

The only thing thats complicated is what you make of the VIC with your stories and speculations ... Just follow the evidence , its that simple ...


Dankie,

What Stan doesn't say about the VIC Coil is what matters, and he never mentions the most important.  No one has ever mentioned it.

Your wire would actually help to some degree.  It's not required by any means, but it would help. 

EDIT:

Buzz, check yer mail too.  Last piece is there.   (Got Stan's ghost in the figure four and he's howlin'...LOL!)
« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 01:46:16 AM by Grumpy »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2009, 07:57:55 AM »
Read my last post to "K".  (VIC coil can rest in peace.)

Yes, you get two pulses, one positive and one negative - from one input pulse.   There-in lies a secret, by the way.
(It sounded like he meant two of the same polarity.)

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Hi,

I find it quite strange that you don't know about the mentioned "pulse doubler" in the VIC. Dont tell me it isn't there because that would only proof beyond any doubt you didn't read the tech brief (very well)
Makes me think you're not so up to scratch about Meyers as you want ppl to believe.....

D.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2009, 03:24:19 PM »
Hi,

I find it quite strange that you don't know about the mentioned "pulse doubler" in the VIC. Dont tell me it isn't there because that would only proof beyond any doubt you didn't read the tech brief (very well)
Makes me think you're not so up to scratch about Meyers as you want ppl to believe.....

D.

a text search of the brief will show you that Meyer never used the term "pulse doubler".  Meyer uses the term "pulse frequency doubler" which is a hell of a lot different than a "pulse doubler".  So, all he is saying is that the pulse is shorter when it comes out.  If that is so, then why is T3 the same or is this also compressed and he forgot to mention that?

Also, the term "pulse frequency doubler" is not in reference to the VIC Matrix Coil, but to another version of the VIC coil.

So, looks like you are the one that didn't read it well...  :o

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2009, 03:38:52 PM »
Hey Dutchy,

While I have been working closely with Grumpy on various things, I don't even agree with his explanation of Meyer's original tube cell process. Having said that, I have been working on Meyer's last process and Grumpy has been super helpful and knows quite a bit about it.

EDIT - I think what Grumpy is saying is that on the primary transformer, which this VIC Choke is not, there is a B+ and a B- side which 90% of the people don't seem to get and Grumpy is correct. As the positive side goes higher, the negative side goes lower.

Recently Grumpy uploaded a PDF that spelled out that VIC to the point of even mentioning that "some water cars worked this way" and not all the inductors collapse at the same time. It taught the basic process.

I just felt that was worth mentioning because anyone interested in the VIC would want to read it and anyone interested in Meyer's final version of the technology would want to know some of the stuff Grumpy does. It is one thing to miss something or make a mistake, quite another to intentionally attempt to deceive others for attention or money. That ain't Grumpy.

Several chemistry text support my explanation of the tube cell as do un-published experiments of a couple of individuals.

We have all contributed to making the deciphering of Meyer's work more difficult by filling in the blanks with "assumptions" and "presumptions".

Yes, winding coils "that way" makes the flux collapse from the end not the outer diameter, but I don't know shit so don't listen to me.

Which pdf was that? (I can't remember the name and now I can't find it.)

EDIT:

Look at the evolution of the VIC - the different approaches.  In the early version he needed and adjustable choke, but only on the ground side and a diode on the positive side - you get unipolar pulses.

Look at WFC 427 (figure 8-10) - he finally center-tapped the secondary - took him long enough - but he still has the blocking diode (two of them now - opposite directions) and he still tuned the negative choke.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 04:42:14 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2009, 06:27:30 PM »
a text search of the brief will show you that Meyer never used the term "pulse doubler".  Meyer uses the term "pulse frequency doubler" which is a hell of a lot different than a "pulse doubler".  So, all he is saying is that the pulse is shorter when it comes out.  If that is so, then why is T3 the same or is this also compressed and he forgot to mention that?

Also, the term "pulse frequency doubler" is not in reference to the VIC Matrix Coil, but to another version of the VIC coil.

So, looks like you are the one that didn't read it well...  :o

Hi Grumpy and Buzz,

It should read pulse frequency doubler. I'll give you that.... It is what i meant, but you are right pulse doubler is not the same as pulse frequency doubler.
That corrected, I still think we are talking about the VIC matrix circuit, seeing as the "pulse frequency doubler is referenced in the tech brief section 7 (=VIC Matrix circuit)
As I understand it T1 is the pulse on time, T2 the pulse off time and T3 the gating. Then at the output during T2 there will be another pulse from the collapsing of the magnetic field of the choke coil. That is where the pulse frequency doubling comes from. So I dont understand what you mean when you say "that the pulse is shorter".

There is basically two types of VICs mentioned in tech brief section 7 as far as i can see. There is the earlier one with the copper wrapped (tuned) coils and it uses the step charging to promote the electron bounce effect.
Then there is the better version with the bifilar resistive choke coils (and resistive secondary!) that uses simultaneous opposite polarity pulses on the cell.

It's all spelled out on pages 7-1 and 7-2 of the tech brief. I can't make much else of it.....

Let's try not to get in an pointless "I know it better debate" and turn this topic into something constructive again.

regards Dutchy

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2009, 08:16:48 PM »
So I dont understand what you mean when you say "that the pulse is shorter".

when you increase the frequency, double it for example, you decrease the wavelength and the pulse is shorter

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« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2009, 08:54:54 PM »
when you increase the frequency, double it for example, you decrease the wavelength and the pulse is shorter

Stan Meyer tech brief: allowing the formation of an gated pulse- frequency pulse-train (64a/64b - T3 - 64a/64b) when pulse off-time (T3) is greater than time-period (T2)

What he is saying is that T3 (gating) HAS to be larger than T2 (pulse off). This because the last pulse will be doubled and "eat" time away from T3.
Normally the gating pulse will have a 50% duty cycle. Because of the above it will probaly be more like 60%/40%
Therefore when you want to raise the pulsing frequency you will get more pulses before the gating happens and my guess is that the gating frequency should be relative to the pulsing frequency.
Honestly I do not see any need to change the frequency very much once resonance is established. Only finetuning is necessary to stay in resonance.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2009, 10:51:26 PM »
Stan Meyer tech brief: allowing the formation of an gated pulse- frequency pulse-train (64a/64b - T3 - 64a/64b) when pulse off-time (T3) is greater than time-period (T2)

What he is saying is that T3 (gating) HAS to be larger than T2 (pulse off). This because the last pulse will be doubled and "eat" time away from T3.
Normally the gating pulse will have a 50% duty cycle. Because of the above it will probaly be more like 60%/40%
Therefore when you want to raise the pulsing frequency you will get more pulses before the gating happens and my guess is that the gating frequency should be relative to the pulsing frequency.
Honestly I do not see any need to change the frequency very much once resonance is established. Only finetuning is necessary to stay in resonance.

Build something similar and you will see that the output pulse is merged steps and not actual pulses, then there is that little problem with getting rid if that charge in the cell that Meyer never really bothers to discuss...it will build up until something gives if it is not dissipated. 

Of course I never build anything, never show fancy YouTube videos, show very few photos or even images.  I'm just generally full of shit.  All three of my benches look like a bomb went off on them, but that is just for show. Thats why everything I'm saying checks out with a little effort to find it. 

You really can get 20kv or 40kv with very little input - just like a taser.  See, pulses do come out of the transformer but this is not what the cell sees.  Look at any power supply with a choke and a cap across it and see that the output is "smoothed" - also notice there is a load across the cap to get rid of the charge.  A simple VIC simulation on a free online sim program is all that is required to see the VIC from a whole new perspective.

I disagree about a shorted coil in the VIC since I doubt that Meyer was aware of this effect.

I know what happens in the cell and if I just blurt it out then no one else will learn anything.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2009, 11:17:00 PM »
Grumpy and theBuzz are just making stuff up  again ...
« Last Edit: February 06, 2009, 01:07:57 AM by dankie »

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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2009, 11:40:21 PM »
Grumpy and theBuzz are just making stuff up , you dont know wtf you are talking about you blabbering fool , your rhetoric is baseless and cannot be understood , I dont understand what is your argument . Its like if you were some deaf sheep ,its impossible to communicate with you , quite probably because you are a disinfo agent ...

Stan explains the frequency doubling , he explains it very well and very clearly . You know nothing , everything you say is 100% made up lies ... TheBuzz you are so funny with your improvised coil we know where your improvising leads already DOOFY ...

No but seriously , you are pretty arrogant trying to contradict Stan himself on this VIC . Whos knows better here ? Stan Meyers or you guys ?


when you finally shut up, pull your head out of your ass and build something, you'll see that you are don't know shit.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2009, 11:49:26 PM »
Dankie

Please stop being so bitter

You make your claims

As Gutluc said show what you have!

And then you'll get some response

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