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Author Topic: Hydrogen Generator Kits with High temp pet plastic jars and Heavy Duty CPVC Lids  (Read 5989 times)

Offline bandr60

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Here are some photo's of our recently designed hydrogen generator kits. These are made with high temperature pet jars with a temp. rating of -40 to +230 F with a melting point of 330F. 32 ounce and 48 ounce. The lids are made of CPVC which have a high temp. neoprene gasket under the lid. The lids have filler plugs so you can add distilled water with out having to remove the generator.
There are nine 18 ga. 316L stainless steel plates which are configured +n-n+n-n+ all of the internal hardware is 316 stainless steel, including the terminal bolts. These generators have a 100% seal and are capable of generating 1-1/4 to 1-3/4 LPM. I also have these with all the same features that screw onto any wide mouth mason jar.
All of our kits come complete with a bubbler, flashback arrestor, heavy duty zinc plated o2 extender which are custom machined, heavy duty 3/8" braided hosing, a 3/8" nutted elbow for connecting to you air intake plenum, a 3/8" tee for vacuum connection, 3/8" check valve, 40 amp. relay, 30 amp. inline fuse block with 30 amp. ATC fuse, all of your 10 gauge eyelets for terminal connections, 10 gauge spade connectors for connecting to the 40 amp. relay, wire nut,10 gauge wire, inline wire connector for power from ingnition to 40 amp. relay, complete detailed installation instructions come with every kit, and e-mail support .
These kits come with everything you need for a complete installation. You can visit our website @ http://hydro-extra.webs.com
« Last Edit: January 01, 2009, 04:50:00 PM by bandr60 »

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Offline Hydro-Cell

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hi
i dont want to put you down for the work your doing, but i have to ask what you are trying to achieve by the cells you have created???

they cant put out more than 1/2 lpm

i hope your not planning on selling them to use under the bonnet of a car....

you may now think that i am a sceptic, well im not. in fact i have a true hydrogen powered car (smart car)

it doesnt however run on a jam jar, it uses 20kg of aluminium as a reactant releasing pure hydrogen.

just do the maths mate.

lets say for instance you wanna run a 1 litre engine at tickover (800rpm)
this means your engine will use 400 litres of air, the fuel/air ratio for an i.c.e is 70:1 so hydrogen fuel required is 5.7 litres.

since a hho generator produces 2/3 hydrogen and 1/3 oxygen we can say that even if you produce 1/2 lpm of hho only 350cc of this is hydrogen

on this basis if you were to try to run an engine with this it would take 17 jars runing at full capacity. thats without taking into account the load on the engine caused by running the cells and also engine inefficiencies
if you were to put 350cc of hho into an engine running on petrol this would account for only 1.5% of the fuel required.  even if you come up with the smart idea of fooling the lambda sensor to lean off the fuel, the most you can lean it off by is 1.5% as the figures would suggest or you in fact run the engine lean, risking burnt valves etc.

even using your figures of 1 1/2 lpm using the whole hho gas it would still only account for 5% of the required fuel using petrol and you would need 5 jars to cope with the flow to tickover on hho alone.

sorry for the rant but it annoys me when people come up with these scams to try and make a quick buck without doing any simple figures.  unless your one of the people who think this little jar can produce 1 million lpm and sustain mankind using 1 amp of power


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Hydro-Cell,

I don't want to burst your bubble but I am not trying to run a vehicle off of hydrogen alone but increasing the burn rate at which the fuel burns. And these generators do produce 1 to 2 lpm depending on amperage.
I run temp strips on these cells and never run much more than 125 degrees, which is determined by the outside temperature and what amperage can be ran. The amperage can be adjusted by 2 things. (1) the amount of electrolite you use or a pulse width modulator which you can dial to your exact amperage setting.
And yes this does improve mpg, RPM's, smoother shifting and emits less pollutants.
I would agree with you that if I was selling these on the pretense that you can run your vehicle solely on my kit then I would understand your negativity.
The generators that I am selling produce better than a large majority of the cells that I have seen available everywhere.
Also the generators that I cell are far from any jam jar,  these are durable PET plastic jars that have a temperature rating of -40 degree F to +230 degree F with a melting point of 350 degree F rating, and are near impossible to colapse.
I am selling a product that works well for what it is intended to do, and are affordable whithout going overboard to achieve the same results, as the object is to save on your energy cost.
I drive over 100 miles daily and have experimented with and whithout the the introduction of HHO and clearly see the improvements of running with HHO.
So your math may be accurate if you try to run one of my kits without gasoline, but put some gas in the tank and your math doesn't add up.
I look forward to going on long trips, so I can brag about the mileage I'm achieving. 123 miles on 3 gallons of gas is worth bragging about. This is with 2 of the 32 ounce generators running in series @ 17 amps. with a 200 Buick century 3.1 V6. @ 65 to 70 MPH.
This is a gain of 33% above running without my generators in use.


 

Offline Hydro-Cell

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There are countless people doing what your doing, why dont car manufacturers do what your doing?????? why dont halfords stock them to the rafters?????? why have i never seen one under the bonnet of a taxi?????
why are the people selling them always spamming sites to get attention???

oh and why has it been scientifically proved to NOT work.

i am an engineer and have a team of mechanics at my disposal for the work and research i conduct. we have tried one of these setups on a car and yes i agree the figures at first glance speak for themselves, more mpg

now if you try what i tell you and answer the question honestly you will find that if you remove just the hho cell leaving the lambda spacer in place you will get even more mpg.

this is due to simple thermodynamics, whatever mpg saving you were making with the jar onboard will now increase even more due to the load of that jar being removed so the engine doesnt have to work as hard. the fuel saving you are making are due to the fact that you have pulled the lambda out of the path of the exhaust stream, by doing this the lambda will now tell the ecu it has less oxygen the ecu will compensate my cutting back on fuel to match the oxygen content.

so as you can see just simply by putting a lambda spacer on you can save money......

now then i am awfully sorry to burst your bubble but heres what happens when introduce hho into a petrol fuel system

hho enters the airflow and gets drawn into the cylinders this mixes with the petrol and air to produce a HIGHER OXTANE FUEL.....
now we all know what higher octane fuel does...
the hydrogen burns with the petrol seperatly at the same time, the hydrogen burns with oxygen to produce water

so all you have done is use loads of amps to produce this hho gas pump it into the engine and burn it seperatly. doing absolutly nothing.

i can also tell you why it doesnt do anything to the petrol. petrol has a perfect fuel to air ratio of 14.7:1 , hydrogen has a fuel to air ratio of 2:1 hence the name HHO

2 HYDROGEN 1 OXYGEN well if thats what your putting into the engine and thats what has to burn to get water out then where does it influence the more complete burn of fuel or speed up the burn????

now then do some simple maths which most people fail to do.... your running a 3.1 litre engine, lets assume that its just ticking over at 800rpm that means that the engine requires an airflow of 1240 litres of air per minute, this equates to 84 litres of petrol vapour per minute.
now your jar is producing lets say 2 litres per minute of hho gas at absolute best.  whats 2 litres of gas per minute gonna do to petrol running at 84 litres per minute.

to put that into further contrast 2 litres must be devided per stroke so 1 revolution of your engine would use up 2.5cc of hho gas 2.5cc must then be divided by the 6 cylinders you are running, this means that in each cylinder there is only 0.4cc of hho being burned with the equivalent of 17.5cc of petrol vapour.

im not sure that you can even ignite 0.4cc of hho in air even if it did it wouldnt make a bang ...............so how can it work

it works because the ecu thinks it doesnt need as much fuel.

if you come up with a theory as to why it does work then prove it and become a millionaire overnight. noone has yet


Offline Bulbz

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Quote
you may now think that i am a sceptic, well im not. in fact i have a true hydrogen powered car (smart car)

it doesnt however run on a jam jar, it uses 20kg of aluminium as a reactant releasing pure hydrogen.

I remember reading about something like that a few years ago, any chance of a "Quick Start" guide ?.  ;D

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Offline Hydro-Cell

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I remember reading about something like that a few years ago, any chance of a "Quick Start" guide ?.  ;D

i dont want to go onto something different really as this isnt my thread, if you email me at hydro-cell@live.co.uk with the questions you need answering i will try and reply

Offline TheNOP

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oh and why has it been scientifically proved to NOT work.
yes, it is a faq that hydrogen need more energy to produce then it give in return.


...

now if you try what i tell you and answer the question honestly you will find that if you remove just the hho cell leaving the lambda spacer in place you will get even more mpg.

this is due to simple thermodynamics, whatever mpg saving you were making with the jar onboard will now increase even more due to the load of that jar being removed so the engine doesnt have to work as hard. the fuel saving you are making are due to the fact that you have pulled the lambda out of the path of the exhaust stream, by doing this the lambda will now tell the ecu it has less oxygen the ecu will compensate my cutting back on fuel to match the oxygen content.

so as you can see just simply by putting a lambda spacer on you can save money......
why tweak the ecu when running hho/petrol mixes ?
the hh gas volume you input is taking the volume of the air in cylinders.
not having the proper air/fuel ratio will leave us with no oxygen reaching the ecu sensor at all...

removing his jar will only leave him running lean, with all the problems running too lean would bring.

one thing tho..., why we do not have those "too lean mixture" problems when injecting hho ?


...

hho enters the airflow and gets drawn into the cylinders this mixes with the petrol and air to produce a HIGHER OXTANE FUEL.....
now we all know what higher octane fuel does...
the hydrogen burns with the petrol seperatly at the same time, the hydrogen burns with oxygen to produce water

so all you have done is use loads of amps to produce this hho gas pump it into the engine and burn it seperatly. doing absolutly nothing.

i can also tell you why it doesnt do anything to the petrol. petrol has a perfect fuel to air ratio of 14.7:1 , hydrogen has a fuel to air ratio of 2:1 hence the name HHO

2 HYDROGEN 1 OXYGEN well if thats what your putting into the engine and thats what has to burn to get water out then where does it influence the more complete burn of fuel or speed up the burn????

octane is a rating relates to how much energy it takes to ignite a fuel, NOT directly to how much energy the gas puts out.

i don't agree with you, petrol and hydrogen/oxygen mixes does not simply burn separatly.
it is a more complex process then that.

it is proven that a mix of hydrogen and petrol will burn cleaner then petrol alone.
why ? if not from helping the combustion ?
getting more energy out by burning more completly ?

did anyone studied or tried to calculate the energy gain of hydrogen/oxygen + petrol mixes compaire to petrol ?
i can't find any papers on such study on the web.

that is the only part that keep me from saying those kit are working or not.
when connected to the alternator that is.

...

im not sure that you can even ignite 0.4cc of hho in air even if it did it wouldnt make a bang ...............so how can it work

it works because the ecu thinks it doesnt need as much fuel.
hho can explode as long as there is at least 4% to 96% hydrogen/oxygen by volume.
but remember that we are talking of a fuels mixture here.


@all
always keep in mind that what apply to running fully on hho DOES NOT apply to fuel mixes.

for mixes, in today cars, you will never get oxygen at the sensor untill you stop putting petrol in.

in reallity, the car computer will not go lower then a preset ratio value and keep injecting petrol no matter how much hho you put in.
make sure you don't end up with un-burned petrol at the exaust ...


EDIT:
apparently not all car's computer have a lowest fuel ratio limit.
some cars model might have one, other don't have any.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2009, 07:17:42 AM by TheNOP »

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Offline apolespejo

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Here are some photo's of our recently designed hydrogen generator kits. These are made with high temperature pet jars with a temp. rating of -40 to +230 F with a melting point of 330F. 32 ounce and 48 ounce. The lids are made of CPVC which have a high temp. neoprene gasket under the lid. The lids have filler plugs so you can add distilled water with out having to remove the generator.
There are nine 18 ga. 316L stainless steel plates which are configured +n-n+n-n+ all of the internal hardware is 316 stainless steel, including the terminal bolts. These generators have a 100% seal and are capable of generating 1-1/4 to 1-3/4 LPM. I also have these with all the same features that screw onto any wide mouth mason jar.
All of our kits come complete with a bubbler, flashback arrestor, heavy duty zinc plated o2 extender which are custom machined, heavy duty 3/8" braided hosing, a 3/8" nutted elbow for connecting to you air intake plenum, a 3/8" tee for vacuum connection, 3/8" check valve, 40 amp. relay, 30 amp. inline fuse block with 30 amp. ATC fuse, all of your 10 gauge eyelets for terminal connections, 10 gauge spade connectors for connecting to the 40 amp. relay, wire nut,10 gauge wire, inline wire connector for power from ingnition to 40 amp. relay, complete detailed installation instructions come with every kit, and e-mail support .
These kits come with everything you need for a complete installation. You can visit our website @ http://hydro-extra.webs.com

 

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