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Author Topic: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector  (Read 20797 times)

Offline dankie

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 01:28:29 AM »
Ridiculous and unclear babbling ... absolutely baseless ... VVTF is this polution ?

Dynodon will post pictures of the S/S VIC soon , the steam resonator was also made with S/S wire . Youll see how small it was .

Youll see...

For now Ill let you see some real talk , some real shizz , some proven shizz .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4302ao9.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=430or5.jpg

http://cartech.ides.com/datasheet.aspx?i=103&e=63&c=techart

http://www.cartech.com/techarticles.aspx?id=1562
« Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 05:27:37 AM by dankie »

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 01:28:29 AM »

Offline fritz

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2009, 01:40:04 AM »
Automatic resonance detecor:

Almost simple thing.
He uses an extra "sense" coil on his vic. If the vic has the chance to operate in a matched way at resonance - the flux goes up - the stuff consumes less energy - damping drops.
Due to the fact that the resonance frequency changes depending on gas production - the control loop tries to keep track on the sweet spot / condition.

There is no single mysterious thing with his setups - just matching the impedance, bring damping down and maximize the oscillation. At the point where the resonance is established - you only have to compensate the losses of the resonator.

rgds.


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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2009, 02:08:39 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2009, 02:18:37 AM »
Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?  :-\

Any link? video? I can watch. I would like to see that sudden burst of massive production as the cell goes on resonance.

Thanks


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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2009, 02:34:13 AM »
Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?

uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe



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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2009, 02:34:13 AM »
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Offline Chris31

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2009, 04:22:53 AM »
uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe

I think Im aware of that ;D Yup, too many people seems to have the answer like they already have the working unit.

I seen a few in various forum building PLL, MCU controlled cell, etc etc, but they quickly vanish.

Well Im just trying my luck, you never know  ;D

Offline dankie

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2009, 05:29:07 AM »
PLZ KEEP THIS ON TOPIC.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 08:11:59 AM by dankie »

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
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Offline fritz

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2009, 10:30:37 AM »
Has anyone seen great gas production when the circuit is at resonance? even for a short period, when that sweet spot is found?
uhhh well uhhh  this is all theory this is the way its done uhhhh in theory ya know.
this boards all theory didnt you know that.
fe

I would look for a decrease in current consumption - don´t think that the gas production will increase dramatically.

1) How to optimize /autocontrol the excitation of a resonator can be easily verified using a glass and make it singing with the fingertip.
No theory.

2) That you can achieve a high energy flow in time by pumping up a resonator is again no theory instead used everywhere.
I do that on a daily basis with my daughter on a swing. As long as my energy putting in equals the aerodynamic loss and the friction in the bearing - I can maintain a high energy flow form kinetic to static back and forth.

3)That this high flow is able to brake up water with the efficiency Meyer claims is the interesting thing.

Problem is that most of the people get lost in 1) and 2), starting to develop mindboggling theories on basic physical/electrical issues.
(Well, I might include Mr. Meyer at that point - BTW: he made his way thru)
 
Back to topic - the vic setup with ss wire can be seen as very elastic string attached to the swing (less damping) - This string "freezes", gets completly stiff in the situations when you fed the input pulse. (the back emf is induced in secondary and chokes, which are dominatly coupled by the mutual capacity of the bifilar chokes) The mutual capacity of the bifilar high resistive chokes accounts for that.

Its quite obvious that you can have the same result by shortly touching the swing in the right moment. (which is technically not that simple because we are talking about kilovolts)

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2009, 11:18:00 AM »
Or if we stay in the electrical domain -
If the magnetic flux in the vic is stationary (in between the pulses) the load (our cell) "sees"  a high resistance (ss wire) with high inductivity which is very less inviting path for electrons. -> no damping, elastic.
On turning on the voltage to the low inductivity primary coil - the core gets charged with certain magnetic flux. Due to the builtin diode on the secondary - its not involved at that point in time (disconnected).
On turning off the voltage - the rapidly decaying flux appears as high back emf with reverse polarity - now our diode is conducting - and this flux induces all turns of the secondary/chokes simultaneously. At this point the mutual capacity in between the turns of the chokes "bypasses" the resistance of the ss wire (for this transient)- and you get a stiff powerful pulse to the cell. (This is even enhanced by the fact that both chokes are wound bifilar which  gives a very tight response).

The problematic thing is that the cell (which is somehow a compound complex impedance with dominating capacitive behaviour) needs an extra coil outside to form an electrical resonator. This means that if we take Meyers vic circuits in mind - part of the vic - and I think that the two bifilar chokes - act in a second role as terminating inductor (secondary bypassed by mutual capacity between the chokes) for the cell. (in some circuits he has one of the chokes tuneable - so he can achieve some asymmetry here to get the right inductance).
The secondary can´t play a role in this job - because of the diode. A resonance current induced by the chokes has to manifest as a corresponding flux in the vic core - otherwise he couldn´t use the sense coil to detect resonance.

This means that the cell and this inductive part have to be matched to a useful frequency which is difficult to calculate - additional the secondary + choke have to be optimized as pulse transformer + the primary inductivity has to be optimized for the pulse frequency to get as much flux as possible + it even somehow looks like there is a need to match the electrical resonance to a mechanical resonance in the outer tube excited by the involved coulomb force.

So even if you build a vic which is in first order a good pulse transformer - you only completed 10% of the job.


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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2009, 09:07:17 PM »
Fritz , stop the damage control , people know it was made with s/s coil wire . Dynodon will post a picture soon of the VIC and the Steam resonator coil . It was all made with S/S wire and it was all small .

Nothing is clear in what you say unlike what you think  , its all baseless opinion ... You have never tried anything besides that ignition coil . The evidence and scientific facts are all there for you to see for your own eyes .

These are a few links to show the kind of "resistance"  I and other people have received throught the last year .. Note that I am the only one who didnt get discouraged by this "resistance" ...

Looking back I find their attitude very suspicious and off-topic  ... But where are these people now  ??

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1027

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1033

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=953

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1082

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=802&start=15

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3119&highlight=#3119
« Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 10:00:56 PM by dankie »

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Offline fritz

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2009, 10:27:40 PM »
What damage control ?
Have I said something against it ?
Even for my next setup I will need s/s wire or something similar which has the same properties.
What I see all day is that people build something on vague descriptions - have no clue how it operates and what physical principles apply - and complain if it doesnt work the first time after switched on.

If you really think my VIC analysis is baseless opinion than I anyway have to back off this discussion.
What concerns the ignition coil - this was just funny experimenting - which is BTW often needed for the right hands-on experience.
I earn my money and pay my bills with engineering since years.
I never "try" things - I build things or experiment with things. And if there´s an experiment there is an input, an output and a analysis.
If I´ve tried something - than it was a fruitful exchange of knowledge and experience in this forums -
Maybe I should learn out of that and waste my baseless opinions elsewhere.

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2009, 11:02:47 PM »

So even if you build a vic which is in first order a good pulse transformer - you only completed 10% of the job.


This is a very good point.



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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2009, 11:56:46 PM »
This is a very good point.



Shhhh ... You know nothing , all you do is talk of free energy .

This thread is for serious people , go talk elsewhere .

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2009, 12:05:27 AM »
I think dankie just wants to sell his wire he got stiffed for  ::)


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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2009, 12:35:35 AM »
Shhhh ... You know nothing , all you do is talk of free energy .

This thread is for serious people , go talk elsewhere .



You might want to ask a few people about what I know.

I'll come back by here in a few months and if you haven't taken your followers to the "exploding water promised land", I'll give you a hand.  You know, help a brother out and all that.

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Re: Stanley Meyers and the VIC/injector
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