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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Inertia Drive
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2009, 06:21:16 PM »
You are welcome.
I don't know how Walden's(or Walten's) device is supposed to work. I haven't been able to locate the patent drawings, nor have I seen a prototype. If anyone can link to the patent, or preferably a clear, walk-around video of the prototype in operation, showing the pendulum deflection, I would be glad to give an opinion.

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2009, 08:11:31 PM »
Hi TinselKoala,

here's the link from where I get patent files: http://patentpdf.net/

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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2009, 10:59:21 PM »
So by looking at all the types of devices I believe no one, has been able to prove anything about inertia drives that would stand up under scrutiny.






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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2009, 02:17:25 AM »
So by looking at all the types of devices I believe no one, has been able to prove anything about inertia drives that would stand up under scrutiny.

C.

Maybe this is pushing against aether somehow? I´m sure some will think ion winds coming off the HT supply wire and connector but the movement seems quite dramatic considering no corona can be seen around that part with the lights off.

http://www.helical-structures.org/SARG-effect-page.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2r3tiPDqVE

@broli spotted this and here is his thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6465.0;topicseen


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Re: Inertia Drive
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2009, 11:21:31 PM »
I ask this of everyone.
Has anyone ever passed these tests (pendulum, etc.) and proved it without there being any doubt?



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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2009, 11:21:31 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2009, 04:35:10 AM »
I ask this of everyone.
Has anyone ever passed these tests (pendulum, etc.) and proved it without there being any doubt

C.

No.
Some claim to have leapt one or another of the hurdles: linear air tracks, canoes, air tables, carefully tuned pendulums like the Sargoytchev ion thruster in the above video, spring scales, postal scales, pan balances, etc.
But no device passes all tests expected of an inertial or reactionless drive, therefore they are not really passing their individual tests either, just tricking them with mechanical resonances and odd thrust vectors.
Newton still describes our macroscopic, slow, low-gravity world to a T, and hasn't been repealed yet.

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2009, 08:15:58 AM »
Thank you for answering all my questions. I have but one more, if such a device could be created and passed all tests without there being any doubt as to it's reality. What then would be the monetary value of said device. As in, how and where could it be used. Assuming it was patented, licensed for use and created for mass distribution.





Once again, thank you.

C

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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2009, 09:39:06 PM »
Such a device would be incredibly useful and significant. It would be the first known violation of the Principle of Conservation of Momentum, for one thing.
It would open up the possibility for development of reactionless power tools for use in free-fall; it would mean that one only needed a power supply, not reaction mass, for space drive thrusters; and it would be the basis for any number of "free energy" machines: since, if you can violate CofM, you can make a perpetual turner, that could be harnessed to output energy for other uses.
Monetary value?
How about saving the world from the tyranny of oil--what's that worth in Zimbabwean dollars?

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2009, 04:33:03 PM »
it would be the basis for any number of "free energy" machines: since, if you can violate CofM, you can make a perpetual turner, that could be harnessed to output energy for other uses

I disagree that an inertial thruster would be the basis of any 'free energy' machines.

The law of conservation of (angular) momentum would need to be extended to take into account converting from angular momentum into linear thrust.

Consider E=mc^2 -> under normal circumstances mass is conserved and remains as mass -  however under special circumstances you can convert mass into energy.

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2009, 06:25:02 PM »
I disagree that an inertial thruster would be the basis of any 'free energy' machines.

The law of conservation of (angular) momentum would need to be extended to take into account converting from angular momentum into linear thrust.

Consider E=mc^2 -> under normal circumstances mass is conserved and remains as mass -  however under special circumstances you can convert mass into energy.

It would, and this has actually been proven mathematically.
Consider, simply, a thruster that did not eject reaction mass. Mount two of them on the periphery of the disk. Turn it on, stand back.

And Cof M needs no modifications. Angular momentum is defined as the vector cross product of a system or particle's position vector and its linear momentum. If linear momentum is conserved, so is angular momentum. Thrust is a force, that is an acceleration, which is a vector, times a mass.

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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2009, 08:43:10 AM »
What would you consider passing the pendulum test.
Hang the machine from a rope let it hang dead center.
The machine wants to counter rotate so you put a track on both sides of it to stop it from rotating. You mark the center point on the track and center point on the machine. Line both points up and turn on the machine. It pulls to the right about 2 inches and will increase to 4 inches if I turn the machine up. When the machine it stopped it moves back to center. I can do this over and over, let it spin slow and it moves just a little to the right of center spin it up faster and moves many inches and keeps trying to move that way until turned off. It doesn't oscillate it pulls in that one direction until turned off.
What does this mean.
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2009, 10:14:17 AM »
It would, and this has actually been proven mathematically.
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I do not see why. A closed system accelerating by itself, without reaction force, is equivalent in GR to a closed system in free fall in a gravitational field, i.e. there is no force acting, the system follows the geodesics of space time.
Only the relative potential energy is consumed. So if a closed system accelerates by itself, we should think that it transforms its internal energy into a potential energy relative to an external reference frame, in order to generate a g field. Thus this kind of motion does not imply free energy.




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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2013, 09:31:51 AM »
As some interest in this was shown in another topic,i thought i would dust the cobwebs of this one-so as to keep on topic.
So as the last post here was back in 2009,dose anyone know of any succesful devices that have been shown since 2009?.

Below is a diagram of what we need to achieve(basicly),so anyone have any idea's as to how we may do this?.

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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2013, 09:52:44 AM »
In the below diagram,we can see what needs to be done.If the reaction force is slightly of 180* to that of the action force,then we have a direction of motion. The direction of motion will be the internal equal divisional angle of that of the action and reaction force. Looking at the pic below,once the pink line of motion reaches the black line-we have no motion.So we only need to deflect the reaction angle by one degree to gain inertia motion at the divisional angle..But how to deflect the reaction angle without it applying a force that is additive to the reaction force?
Ideas anyone?.

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