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New Battery systems => Other new battery systems => Topic started by: Magnethos on December 24, 2008, 02:56:13 PM
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Very interesting theory and schematics to bring back to life Ni-Cad Batteries.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Bring_Dead_Ni_Cad_Batteries_Back_To_Life/
It will be very helpful to find also a system for other kind of batteries. I know Bedini is selling a system to use with Car Batteries, but I don't know with all kind of batteries.
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That's true, high voltage DC spikes/pulses will do the trick. I've also reversed the polarity of even Alkaline batteries, but they tend to reverse back to their normal polarity after a month or so. If they were zapped with high enough potential then they would probably stay reversed, at least for a long time.
PL
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That's true, high voltage DC spikes/pulses will do the trick. I've also reversed the polarity of even Alkaline batteries, but they tend to reverse back to their normal polarity after a month or so. If they were zapped with high enough potential then they would probably stay reversed, at least for a long time.
PL
Polarity Reverse??? Wow, that is awesome. Because Leedskalnin also changed the poles of the magnets, so DC Electricity and Magnetic Field are something very related :) A guy said to me that a magnet was like a DC Static Energy... That could be true...
Explain me more about your experiment and let me know how did you made it.
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Hi Magnethos,
it can be done much more simple. Please have alook at the pic attached.
Regards
Kator01
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It's simple. I just placed about 6 9V batteries (all connected in series-- they just snap together forming a line of batteries) across a *dead* 9V and left it there for a few days. The longer you leave it, the more it will reverse. That's about 6*9V = 54 volts. If you wanted to do a good job at reversing the battery, then you'll need to pulse it with thousands of volts for awhile.
The same applies to rejuvenating a dead battery to the same polarity. Just apply spikes/pulses of high voltage. If you want to rejuvenating a really dead battery then you'll need small spikes/pulses in the thousands of volts.
PL
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Good info Kator1
It's simple. I just placed about 6 9V batteries (all connected in series-- they just snap together forming a line of batteries) across a *dead* 9V and left it there for a few days. The longer you leave it, the more it will reverse. That's about 6*9V = 54 volts. If you wanted to do a good job at reversing the battery, then you'll need to pulse it with thousands of volts for awhile.
The same applies to rejuvenating a dead battery to the same polarity. Just apply spikes/pulses of high voltage. If you want to rejuvenating a really dead battery then you'll need small spikes/pulses in the thousands of volts.
PL
The longer I leave it... the more it will reverse... so... There must be a point when the battery is APOLAR? I mean, if there is a reversion, then this polarity reversion is proportional to the time, of course. So, there is a process when the one pole is reversed to the other pole... like a way... the Pole has to go to the other pole... there must be a point where the 2 poles are in the "middle" and theoretically there won't be polarity in the battery and we would have an Apolar Battery...? Is that possible? I don't know...
The really interesting thing is Leedskalnin says in his book that the poles in a magnet can be reversed too, so magnetic flux and energy are very similar. But the problems seems to be that in a magnet, the Energy is Static and in a battery the Energy is Dinamyc.
We know that we can extract energy using a magnet and a coil. But we need movement to produce electricity. Floyd achieved the same result using a motionless system because he amplified the energy using magnets. Interesting.
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I'd agree the battery could be zero volts, but it probably would not stay there for very long. It would probably slowly drift back to it's original polarity.
As you said, PM's can also reverse. I've done that by pressing a Neo and frig PM together where they repel each other. They will repel until the neo gets close enough to the frig PM, and then the frig PM will flip and then they will attract. The neo has high coercivity, and it's strong enough to flip the weak frig PM.
PL
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I'd agree the battery could be zero volts, but it probably would not stay there for very long. It would probably slowly drift back to it's original polarity.
As you said, PM's can also reverse. I've done that by pressing a Neo and frig PM together where they repel each other. They will repel until the neo gets close enough to the frig PM, and then the frig PM will flip and then they will attract. The neo has high coercivity, and it's strong enough to flip the weak frig PM.
PL
Yes, if the battery is Apolar then it has 0 volts... like a dielectric field... So, a 50% polarity reversion maybe creates a Dielectric Field? I mean, a non conductive field like in wood or other materials??
Also we can say say that Magnetic Field and DC Energy are the same, but Magnetic Field is a DC Static Field.
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What's his name ... Edward Leedskalnin. He's the guy who built Coral Castle 60 years ago. Have you read his theory on magnetism? It's fascinating! He claims the magnetic field consists of a current of microscopic magnetic particles that flow in opposite directions. The positive polarity magnetic particles flow in the opposite direction as the negative polarity magnetic particles. Doesn't Ed talk about how to cause an offset so that more positive magnetic particles flow than negative? Anyway, I don't know much about Edward Leedskalnin's magnetic theory. I'm having far too much fun with conventional physics, and designing real "free energy" machines using the mathematics of conventional physics! ;D
PL
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Wow, coral castle is awesome. yeah.
I have read the Magnetic Current book, it's very interesting. There is other author called Howard Johnson that explain the secret world of Magnets, but I prefer Ed's Book.
I have drawn the In and Out current as I see it. I know Ed says something about a third pole or something similar that is in between the 2 poles.
Have you heard about Neutrinos? I read a few of an italian book that explains about Neutrinos, Posintrinos, Electrinos and Magnetrinos, new sub-atomic particles. Of course, they are not new because the book is from 1950, but they are new for us. Maybe the magnetrinos are the magnetic particles, because I heard is possible to obtain energy from neutrinos.
I don't remember the exact theory, there are too much to read and Understand and more to Un-understand and forgot!!! hahaha.
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this is the picture as I see the magnetic current
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put two electrostatic charged balls under your sheet of glass and get the same picture
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put two electrostatic charged balls under your sheet of glass and get the same picture
Very interesting... reading your comment I have thought that we need a Unified Field Theory. I mean, a battery is a dipole because it has 2 poles, positive and negative. Magnet is also a dipole because it has 2 poles, positive and negative too. So, Battery = Magnet.
We need to remember that ALL matter is magnetic. Books says that wood i.e. is not magnetic, but that is not true. Wood is magnetic but it can't be compared with ferromagnetism. If ferromagnetism = 1, maybe wood is 0.00000000001 But it doesn't means that it isn't magnetic. Wood is much less magnetic that a magnet, but IS magnetic.
I have post that I think a Magnet is a Static DC electricity, and a guy said that he has reversed the poles of a battery and Leedskalnin shown that he could reverse the poles of a magnet. So, there is a lot in common, between a Magnet and DC electricity. The problem is DC is Dynamic and a Magnet is Static.
I remember that Steve Mark Toroidal Power Unit, was based in the same principle: extract energy from magnets.
Sweet Floyd also extracted (amplified) energy using magnets.
Leedskalnin also extracted energy from Magnets.
So... there is evident information that anyone can extract energy from magnets. We can extract energy from magnets too, moving the magnet inside a coil. But Steve Mark, Sweer Floyd and Leedskalnin shown that is possible to extract energy from magnets using a Motionless system.
I emailed yesterday to a guy and he said me that people can extract energy from magnets is we configure the magnets. I mean, the potential difference in magnets is 0, so we can't extract energy from magnets without reconfiguring them. I remember also that in this post I said...
What would happen if we reverse the polarity of a battery 50% only?
The answer was:
I'd agree the battery could be zero volts (When using an Apolar Battery, apolar means no potential difference or the same difference /50%/ in both poles sourth and north)
That is the same that happens in a magnet. A magnet has not potential different because it is like an Apolar Battery/50% Pole Reversion.
If we can configure a magnet, like Sweet Floyd made with his magnets, and change the potential difference... 40% 60% in example... we will have energy from the magnets.
I remember Floyd achieved the highest COP 1:1000000, I haven't seen never a higher COP (Coefficient of Performance or energy amplification).
Uhmm, this sounds very interesting :D
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So, the key is to create a Magnet with asymmetric poles. Common magnets have simetrical poles (50% polarity each pole) and a battery is an example of asymmetric pole. Asymmetric means difference in the poles, this means Potential Difference.
Asymmetric poles = Difference of Electrical (Static/Scalar) Potential
Symmetric poles = NO difference of electrical potential.
So, Voltage and Polarization have a lot in common.
I remember that I read that energy is any order of the Virtual Particle Flux of the vacuum. Maybe that order is related with polarization process. When we draw energy, we're discharging the battery, that means we're de-polarizating the source or something similar. I think the discharge process is the Asymmetric to Symmetric Poles process and Charging means Symmetric so Asymmetric Poles.
Current maybe it's an effect from the Voltage.
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i will kick myself if i don't reply to this.
what are you trying to do phase shift current to or from a battery a magnet is already phase shifted butch lafontte has already clearly demonstrated this with his demonstration with the washers and how do you make a magnet you wrap it with a coil of wire out of phase so you get a magnet you can't make a magnet any other way except charged potentials that are out of phase electrostatics is derived by phase shift and i thank you for making me realize this now as it answered many of my problems as well you are right but it will drive me crazy why didn't i see this before to simple thanks for the help.
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I also remember that I read in a book
' In other words, here's the iron rule: If you draw current, you kill the bipolarity gate furnishing the potential gradient (source of energy density). In that case, you kill the source. If you do not draw current, you do not kill the bipolarity gate and you do not shut down the source. In that case, you can continue to "use" it and extract trapped EM energy from it forever. '
I also read in other book that the universe works in a principle of neutralization/equilibrium. That means if we draw current from the source, we're turning the asymmetric poles into symmetric poles. The bipolarity gate means the process of trapping energy from the vacuum while the dipole is asymmetric. But if you draw current, there is a process where the asymmetric poles turn in symmetric poles. This is best know as Amperes-Hour. Common physics says that a source is limited by the amperage, but in the reality a source is limited by the time that get to turn from asymmetric poles to symetric poles. When you have a potential difference (asymmtric poles) in a battery, the bipolar gate is open, but when the poles are symmetric, the bipolar gate is closed and the battery doesn't draws power.
So, when we draw current, the universe is neutralizating and putting in equilibrium the poles to 50% each one. 50% and 50% means symmectric poles and also means closed bipolarity gate.
Excelent work! :D
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Symetrical as same being like or akin to
Asymetrical having a property or not akin to
capacitive charging of a battery as bedini does with caps lets current lead voltage on charging perfect input to the system dc charging uses voltage and current in phase poor charging heating would be a problem for the most part a capacitor is a battery and vice versa exotic dielectrics and the like lithium alkali and the like even ferile epoxy more here than emediately meets the eye and some fine material think this helps me with my project but not totally sure how just yet it does simplefy some of my problems thuogh with battery charging transisters will be the real problem may have to find some tubes or relays but there so darn slow.
someone here was saying use inductive charging but that doesn't seem right to me now but a capacitive power supply is making a lot more sense it would be a minor change and may be well worth the effort but you would have to loose the reverse pulse as it would be to a detroment and a diode bridge may not work properly just a few thoughts.
time to start christmas hear my grandkids thank you for the christmas present it was the best i've had in many years.
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I'd agree the battery could be zero volts, but it probably would not stay there for very long. It would probably slowly drift back to it's original polarity.
As you said, PM's can also reverse. I've done that by pressing a Neo and frig PM together where they repel each other. They will repel until the neo gets close enough to the frig PM, and then the frig PM will flip and then they will attract. The neo has high coercivity, and it's strong enough to flip the weak frig PM.
PL
Just for the heck of it, I once took two strong neos and super glued them together while they were repelling each other. (same poles) I had to use vice grips while the glue was drying. Once dry, the magnets switched their poles such that the "stack" now had a north and south on the top and bottom. So, for this to happen, one of them had to flip or something otherwise I would have ended up with 2 norths or two souths. (which I was actually looking to do) It was interesting.
Bill
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Nice experiment Bill! How long did it take to flip? I'm wondering what the actual *flip* time was. Perhaps if you wrapped some wire around it and connected a voltage meter or scope. If it doesn't flip too fast, then you could separate the PM's when they're at zero B-field (degaussed). I'd love to know the change in temperature while the PM goes from magnetized to demagnetized.
PL
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Paul:
I don't know how long it took exactly. I used super glue and held them together in the vice grips for about 2 minutes. Once I saw they were going to stay together I immediately tested the poles and basically just ended up with a thicker version of what I had started with. (one pole on top the other on the bottom) So, good question. Somewhere in there a change took place. Was it all at once? (my guess is yes) It would be interesting to do using a magnetic field indicator. (Like the one that guy made with iron filings suspended in mineral oil in a clear bottle, it shows three dimensional magnetic fields)
Maybe the change happens the instant the two are forced together? You could put two into a pair of pliers and then test the poles to see. I never did fool with it much after that as I was looking to create some special magnet with weird poles but.....didn't work. I still have it glued together here somewhere.
Bill
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@Pirate88179
I find that really interesting too.
If you can find those Neo's again it would be interesting to know if they are still the same strength.
Taking a length of wire and folding it in half and using it to wind an inductor "Bi-filar coil" is supposed to collect radiant energy.
I will have to try this. Also could be used to restore dead batteries.
But what makes a better radiant energy collector, winding this on an iron core or an air core?
Your neo experiment reminded me of this, because in a Bi-filar coil the magnetic field is canceled out.
FEG 5-34 is the reference.
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@ AbbaRue:
I don't know what the relative strength of the glued neos is. I will try to dig them out, if not, I'll glue another pair and test and see. I don't think it is any stronger than just 2 neos magnetically stuck together and actually, it might be a little less. It might be the same as a single neo that is not glued. Good questions.
As far as the bifilar coils being non-electro magnets, I think that depends on how they are wound. In making the Stubblefield bifilar coils, we saw some electromagnet (self generating) characteristics of these coils during some testing we did. I have heard what you stated about bifilar coils being just as you said. That is why I noticed that with the Stubblefield coils there was a difference somehow. These were iron core.
Bill
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Bill,
I think your idea of viewing the field of your opposing neo's with iron fillings is great. It would be interesting to see what it looks like.
PL