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Author Topic: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.  (Read 71884 times)

Offline Digjam

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2008, 05:15:21 AM »
@ Digjam:

Well, Nathan Stubblefield heated his home, illuminated his home and farm and ran the entire telephone system of Murry, Ky off of his earth batteries....and this was in the late 1890's.  I am not sure how many it took...but...who cares?  It was all free.  The power grid did not make it to his area until many, many years later.  That is why I am so fascinated by this device.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that all energy is free.  This is ok as we all have our opinions and these are uncharted waters.  Try telling your opinion to your power company and see what happens.... ha ha.  I think I get what you mean though.  Heck, right now, the air we breathe is free but I would not be shocked if sometime in the near future, we have to pay an air company bill for all of the breaths we take.

Bill

Well, water is free, but I get a bill every month for it too  ;D
Anyway , what I was saying is that the energy itself is free, what we pay for is the conversion
and delivery . That's why the question , does the grid deliver energy or Power? ;)



I'll give another example of what I mean that energy is free, but has a cost.

I'm in the southern US . We have 2 power companies in my state, and they have 3 types of Power
Plants.
1: Hydroelectric 2: Coal-Fired 3: Nuclear

all those 3 of those have one thing in common: Water
now the coal fired and the nuclear also use a fuel .. The Water, the Coal , and the Radioactive Materials
are ALL Natural resources which are in essence FREE.. the cost is in the extraction of the fuels,and the infrastructure to CONVERT the energy to electricity and DISTRIBUTE the electricity.


So maybe what we are seeking is a "FREE ENERGY COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION" unit ;)
« Last Edit: December 16, 2008, 05:51:04 AM by Digjam »

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2008, 05:49:28 AM »
@ Digjam:

Good question.  In electrical terms, power is amps.  I always thought of energy as both volts and amps but it could also mean a lot of other things.  So, my vote would be both in answer to your question.

Yes, I agree with what you said about the water bill.  We are essentially paying for the infrastructure and delivery systems.  I guess the same could be said of oil really. (as well as a lot of other things)

Trust me, if I thought I had the answers here, I would have never started this topic. My main goal was to get folks thinking about what we are actually trying to do here.  Also, to attempt to establish some defined objective that is acceptable to most so, if/when one of us "does it" we can all agree on what was done.  Hopefully, I have opened some eyes.

Research, I have found, is a lot like my Investigations business.  You raise a lot more questions than answers.

Bill


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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2008, 07:09:30 AM »
  I think I get what you mean though.  Heck, right now, the air we breathe is free but I would not be shocked if sometime in the near future, we have to pay an air company bill for all of the breaths we take.

Bill

G'day Bill and all,

Perhaps not, but you will almost certainly have to purchase carbon credits for the carbon dioxide you breathe out and the methane you fart.

George Orwell, here we come.

Hans von Lieven

Offline captainpecan

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2008, 07:20:08 AM »
So maybe what we are seeking is a "FREE ENERGY COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION" unit ;)

I couldn't agree more. As I said earlier, terminology may differ, but we are after the same thing. My ultimate goal, is to create a generator about the size of a hot water heater, that will power your house and any electrical needs you may have, without being on the grid at all.  Then storms, hurricanes, whatever may happen outside, you have power and heat inside.  Not to mention power can be placed anywhere with this method, like third world countries that have never even had electricity.  Figuring out how to fuel that generator, is what we seek. Is it possible, sure it is, we just haven't figured out how to do it yet. 

Nitrogen is readily available, the air we breath is 80%... I personally feel the answer is in reusing the same electrical current many times over again, but that's an argument for a different thread... lol
« Last Edit: December 16, 2008, 07:51:42 AM by captainpecan »


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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2008, 07:20:35 AM »
@ Hans:

Welcome!  By the way, I do not fart.  Well, ok maybe after eating certain foods.....well, ok, maybe after eating most foods.  The beer helps with this condition.  Well, ok, maybe not really. 

Yes, we are trying to save the planet from the breath we exhale.  This is pseudo-science at its best.  One volcano eruption releases (act of God and/or nature) thousands of times more "greenhouse gases" than mankind has released since our existence.  That's one eruption.  There are many on this planet every year.

I think we are exporting Al gore to Australia which will end our problems but...yours are just beginning.  I think the Aborigines probably fart and breathe as well.  God help them.

I would be interested in knowing what you think of the questions postulated by my topic.  I did quote you in one of my first posts here. (the crude oil and the match)  I know we discussed this a little back on the earth battery topic last year.  I am just looking to seek some common ground on what it is we are looking for, so we know when we find it.

Good to hear from you Hans.

Bill

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2008, 07:26:50 AM »
Hi Bill, Greetings

The answer to your question is simple.

One tit that never dries up is free energy!

Two tits that never dry up is overunity!

See, I told you it was simple.  ;D

Hans

Offline captainpecan

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2008, 07:58:52 AM »
@Hans

By George, I think he's got it!!!!!!!!   Throw in a beer keg that never runs out and I'm home free!!!!

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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2008, 08:17:33 AM »
Hi Bill, Greetings

The answer to your question is simple.

One tit that never dries up is free energy!

Two tits that never dry up is overunity!

See, I told you it was simple.  ;D

Hans

Thanks Hans!  That was classic.  (smile) Or should I say....Thanks for the mammorys.  (sorry)


Bill

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2008, 08:52:09 AM »
Until the Earth is depleted of charge!  Will we lose our magnetic field then?  The magnetic field is vital to keeping some deadly radiation from reaching our planet's surface, so we really need that field to stay on.

   
I agree with what you say, I think that the free energy is also the source of life on earth.

DNA double helix .......

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2008, 10:00:33 AM »
No, I never ignored it.  I just forgot to mention it.  I answered that one in a later post, as Bill was quick to point it out also...  ;).  The example is not meant to show Over-Unity, only to show my definition of what energy could be called "free" energy.  I was referring to the extra energy that showed it's head making the ball roll with more velocity.  It was energy that was always there to begin with, hince, no over-unity. I am terming it as "free" energy only because it was "available" energy you could not see and you did not exert onto the object to start with.  It was energy that was once just "available", but now was "used".  Just a simple example that will exert more force into the glasses, than the force put into the bowling ball.  There still was no gain in overall energy, that was kind of the point... It just appears to have more energy out then in. In actuality, it's still just Unity as always.


From your posts, I get the feeling you believe it is impossible to have free energy, over-unity, or perpetual motion?  Is this really your beliefs?  If not, please explain where you think the energy is going to come from to make a valid free energy device.

Ok, I imagine it this way :

Imagine the fabric of space has tiny holes in it, much too small for energy to escape through, say like a balloon with sand in it which has a small hole
with a diameter smaller than a grain of sand. I imagine that we create 2 small hooks and insert them either side of the hole and use enough force to
open the hole just wide enough for energy/sand to escape. Not unlike the idea of the cavemen gently pushing the bolder. However the rules as they are would
require that equilibrium is achieved therefore i think that we need another balloon/hole configuration to allow the flow of sand to continue back into the system
with maybe a water wheel in between the two balloons to capture/convert the flow, like interrupting the the flow of a river / wind etc. into usable energy.

The main flaw i see in most designs is that much like the spark gap ideas, people are widening the hole and creating a water wheel but are not directing the
flow by providing a sink for the energy to return to. Its like they are exploding a firework and trying to capture only a few of the sparks from one sector and the rest of the energy returns back to its source point.

I suppose the analogy is kind of childlike but I hope that it expresses my view on the matter.

Regards,

Dean


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Offline Trino Cularoid

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2008, 11:40:09 AM »
"let there be light"

I kind of doubt that this meant physical light (energy). In today's language and understanding, "awareness (of Self)" instead of "light" could be a more accurate interpretation. Also, many believe consciousness and soul exist, yet these don't consist of energy.

Take for instance the first 'law' of thermodynamics.  One 'assumes' that energy can neither be created nor destroyed....yet most believe in 'big bang' cosmology.  If energy cannot be created, then our universe was always here, nullifying the big bang theory.

Some try to work around it by introducing additional dimensions (String theory, M-theory, many others). There, energy could have always existed but it is moving between dimensions, and as some energy "suddenly" shifted into our space and time frame, it _looked_ like a big bang to us.

There is no proof that energy cannot be generated (mathematically, you "cannot" prove that something doesn't exist). But nobody has observed or admitted energy creation within an established scientific framework (yet).
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« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2008, 08:55:16 PM »
Interesting take.....I always understood it to mean the entire EM spectrum, given that the Holy Record goes on to mention Yahweh creating the greater light for the day and lesser for the night.   "Let there be light" could encompass our known universe, "He stretched out the expanse of the Heavens".

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Some try to work around it by introducing additional dimensions (String theory, M-theory, many others). There, energy could have always existed but it is moving between dimensions, and as some energy "suddenly" shifted into our space and time frame, it _looked_ like a big bang to us.

Rather than 'see', many prefer to keep 'looking'.....which is why the braintrusts of institutionalized science keep butting their heads against the solid wall of a dark matter.  For even if they try to explain their way around the first law's limitations, they just come to another mirror of their own limitations.  It seems obvious that no matter how many additional dimensions they surmise there must be, they either came into existence somehow, IE, created by some agency, or always existed.

Either way, it highlights the juvenile and presumptious notion that "energy CANNOT be created" when understood for the blanket statement that it truly is.....and in the greater analysis, goes to show that institutional science is as much a religion as any other.  We are all only human, afterall.


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Offline captainpecan

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2008, 10:53:56 PM »
I kind of doubt that this meant physical light (energy). In today's language and understanding, "awareness (of Self)" instead of "light" could be a more accurate interpretation. Also, many believe consciousness and soul exist, yet these don't consist of energy.

Actually, again, just another point of view.  Not that I view it one way or another, but I would like to point out that pretty much every "Ghost Hunter" believes they are all energy.  Do they exist or not?  Are they correct or not?  Not really related to this topic...  But it is interesting to note that one of my favorite shows "Ghost Hunters" on sci-fi network I think, ALWAYS gets the EMF detector spiking when something weird and unexplainable happens... To be honest, I believe every single thing in the universe is energy. Einstein believes the same thing.  If this is true, then our very consciousness and soul would also be energy.  Who knows, I'm just throwing out some twisted thoughts.....

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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2008, 12:55:51 AM »
@ Captainpecan:

I have read the same and I believe that to be true also.  Like you said, it does not mean I am correct, but all the evidence I have seen points to this being true, at least for me. Thoughts and consciousness are energy so why not the soul? Just my opinion here.

Bill


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« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2008, 01:06:38 AM »

"This just in, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off until further notice"


You know, it is interesting to speculate just how wide the EM sprectrum truly is!



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