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Author Topic: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.  (Read 72245 times)

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"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« on: December 14, 2008, 05:34:13 AM »
I am involved with several topics on this site and the question always seems to come up:  What is free energy? And: What is overunity?

I know we are all here looking for it but how can we find it if we can't agree on what it is?  To me, I think it is a given that energy can't be created or destroyed.  Having said that, I believe there are some "free energy" deices working right now.  My earth battery is but one, and I know of several others....depending on your definition of "free energy".

My earth batteries generate power with no input from me.  To me, this is "free energy".  The guy with the water wheel living by a river is getting "free energy" to him, and he can power whatever he wants from it.  Windmills, the same thing.
Also solar, etc.

So, my definition of these devices as "free energy" does not mean the power comes from nowhere.  We know where it comes from, and it fits all of the known laws of physics.  But, is this still "free energy"?  I believe it is.

Hans Von Lieven once said that if one were to touch a match to a puddle of crude oil leaking from the ground, it would ignite and produce heat and light, all for the effort of striking the match.  So, these could be seen as both "free energy" and "overunity" by some folks.  Of course it is burning hydrocarbons and this reaction is well known so the energy is not coming from nowhere, but, we do need to define our parameters if we are hoping to find new power sources.

So, my purpose of this topic is to help open a dialog on what the parameters are for that which we all are searching for.  what is "free energy" and what is "overunity?

Please feel free to post any and all ideas on this subject.  Without a clear definition that we all agree upon,  how will we know if we find it or not?  Thank you.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 05:59:58 AM »
I think it's an issue of confusing the term "free". In cases where the energy comes from natural sources that we can touch, feel smell etc. and are naturally replenished, such as solar, wind, geothermal etc. these should be correctly called "Renewable Energy", not free energy, even though we do not pay for that energy by way of money or physical effort. That's how they are "free".

I think we are all in agreement though that the majority people on this site are interested in obtaining energy from sources that we can not touch, feel, smell or otherwise conjure up from some common physical entity.

Therefore, for the scope of this discussion and for all intents and purposes, "Free Energy" and "Overunity" are synonymous.

Asking to go any further with discerning between the two will open up the same can of worms that has been open several times already in this forum I think. No one seems to be able to agree on the definitions, especially when others throw "efficiency" into the mix. Don't go there please!

So I guess for me its all a non-issue, but surely many will not see it this way.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2008, 06:18:47 AM »
poynt99:

Thanks for posting.  Yes, it is certainly a can of worms.  I can't tell you how many topics this comes up in, again and again.  But, this is exactly my point.  If I develop a device that does "X", and then claim FE or OU, folks would come out of the woodwork and say things like, that is not FE, you had to pay for the transistor, etc.

All I am asking for here, and I know it is not a small task, is to agree or almost agree on a set of parameters to define that which we are all searching for.  I understand your point, trust me I do.  I have seen so many interpretations and opinions on what is this and what is not that, as have many folks.  I just thought it would be nice to have a clear, defined "bar" if you will, that if one jumps over, then he has it.  If not, then he does not.

I guess what i am trying to do here, and probably rather poorly, is to establish a finish line.  If indeed this is a race, and I believe it is, how do we know if we won, or even completed the race if we don't know where the finish line is, or what it looks like, or can't even describe it so everyone agrees?

I did not start this topic to open the proverbial can of worms.  Maybe I have done so anyway.

I just want to know some answers like:  Is my earth battery OU?  FE?  If so...why?  If not, why not?

I have the feeling that I might regret bringing this up.


Bill

***Edit***  Ok I have another thought.  Your term "renewable" might work for some things and maybe most.  It is a good term.  Ethanol made from corn that once burned, can be renewed.  I agree 100%.  But, back to the earth battery. (for example)  I don't have to "renew" anything.  The power keeps coming and coming with no further requirement on my part.  Nothing is "used up".  It is not energy from nowhere as we think we know how/why it works.  So, I am not sure renewable applies in all cases and maybe this one specifically.

Please notice that I left out "perpetual motion" in this topic.  That is yet another "can of worms".  I once had an argument with a physics professor about this subject.  He said PM is impossible and can never happen.  I said, ok but what about the atoms there in your desk, and the electrons that are orbiting.  He said...ummm...well.....that is still not PM.  I asked...why not?  He never gave me an answer.  So, to be clear, I am not talking about creating energy out of nowhere, but tapping into both known, and unknown energy systems, which would not violate known physics laws.
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2008, 07:00:58 AM »
Bill,

As I alluded to above, the first thing all have to agree on is the separation of "Renewable Energy"systems, from "extra" energy by other means.

I strongly suggest keeping renewable energy systems out of the discussion, because this is known and proven technology, and it comes from sources that are tangible. So the answer to your question about your earth battery; can you put your finger on the source of extra energy? If so, then that is energy from known physical processes, and in this case comes directly from the earth. I don't know much about the earth battery, but do I assume correctly that it also renews itself?

I believe the other issue you are asking about, having now separated renewable energy systems from overunity/free energy systems, is how does one know when or if they've achieved "it"?

In my own mind this is fairly clear, but having observed and taken part in this forum for quite some time, I'd have to say it's not so obvious for many. There are a lot of good experimenters here, some with extraordinary skills, but by and large, it is a learning process through which eyes are opened and lessons are learned with a few "false alarms" along the way.

A protocol for if (the big one), when, and how to post OU claims would be fairly straightforward (not necessarily easy or quick) to produce, but unless asked to do so, I would not volunteer my time because I have seen good documents such as this would be, go largely unheeded by most even though obvious effort went into it.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 07:04:33 AM »
poynt99:

Thanks for posting.  Yes, it is certainly a can of worms.  I can't tell you how many topics this comes up in, again and again.  But, this is exactly my point.  If I develop a device that does "X", and then claim FE or OU, folks would come out of the woodwork and say things like, that is not FE, you had to pay for the transistor, etc.

All I am asking for here, and I know it is not a small task, is to agree or almost agree on a set of parameters to define that which we are all searching for.  I understand your point, trust me I do.  I have seen so many interpretations and opinions on what is this and what is not that, as have many folks.  I just thought it would be nice to have a clear, defined "bar" if you will, that if one jumps over, then he has it.  If not, then he does not.

I guess what i am trying to do here, and probably rather poorly, is to establish a finish line.  If indeed this is a race, and I believe it is, how do we know if we won, or even completed the race if we don't know where the finish line is, or what it looks like, or can't even describe it so everyone agrees?

I did not start this topic to open the proverbial can of worms.  Maybe I have done so anyway.

I just want to know some answers like:  Is my earth battery OU?  FE?  If so...why?  If not, why not?

I have the feeling that I might regret bringing this up.


Bill

***Edit***  Ok I have another thought.  Your term "renewable" might work for some things and maybe most.  It is a good term.  Ethanol made from corn that once burned, can be renewed.  I agree 100%.  But, back to the earth battery. (for example)  I don't have to "renew" anything.  The power keeps coming and coming with no further requirement on my part.  Nothing is "used up".  It is not energy from nowhere as we think we know how/why it works.  So, I am not sure renewable applies in all cases and maybe this one specifically.

Please notice that I left out "perpetual motion" in this topic.  That is yet another "can of worms".  I once had an argument with a physics professor about this subject.  He said PM is impossible and can never happen.  I said, ok but what about the atoms there in your desk, and the electrons that are orbiting.  He said...ummm...well.....that is still not PM.  I asked...why not?  He never gave me an answer.  So, to be clear, I am not talking about creating energy out of nowhere, but tapping into both known, and unknown energy systems, which would not violate known physics laws.

@ poynt99:

I quoted my previous post because I added an edited part (addition) that I think addresses the renewable point you were making.  Again, I agree, renewable is off the table.  What do you think of my earth battery example as quoted here?

Bill

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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 07:13:26 AM »
Actually, "renewable" is a bad term IMHO.

That's actually what it DOES mean Bill  :D

Renewable Energy sources are those that renew themselves without human intervention, so by definition, your earth battery and every other natural source of energy, is "renewable".

Renewable Energy sources include:
- Solar
- Wind
- Geothermal
- Water (ocean waves, river flow etc.)
- Biomass (wood, ethanol, etc.)

- Telluric Current/Earth Batteries perhaps belong in their own class of renewable energy?

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 07:31:15 AM »
@ poynt99:

I agree with your term for all except the last one you listed.  Ethanol, made from corn, or whatever, is made...then used...and the corn has to be grown again.  So, there is human intervention.  But, as for the rest, yes, I agree.

Maybe, just maybe, the earth battery is renewable also in that, we "drain" it, and the earth "renews" (charges) it again?  That is exactly why I made this topic.  Not to argue semantics, but to define what it is we are after.  Please, I am not saying you are arguing semantics, but I know this will come up if/when others respond to my posts.

I really appreciate your responding to my topic.  I have seen your other posts on many other topics and I do value your opinion.  I am here to try to learn and possibly, help others and maybe contribute in any way that I can.  when I take a step back from all that is taking place here, I see a need to define our goals.  If others do not agree, then maybe they are correct and I am wrong.  (It has happened before)  If/when I ever "get it", I guess I would just like to know if my "it" is the same as most folk's "it".  Thanks again for taking the time to post here.

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 09:27:48 AM »
This is a very interesting topic to me. I have previously gotten into some interesting discussions regarding this issue.  The problem is, most people try and complicate the hell out of it, when I believe, it is in fact very simple.  At least the way I see it anyway... wright or wrong...

The first problem is that most people actually think that Free Energy is exactly the same thing as Over Unity.  In my opinion, they are extremely different.  One is impossible, and the other is everywhere!  Let me explain...

Over Unity is impossible, and laws of physics prove this in many ways.  But before you get upset, realize this...  Under Unity is also impossible!  Everything is EXACTLY UNITY!  Energy cant be created or destroyed, only converted to other forms of energy.  For instance, an electric motor loses energy to heat from resistance and to other factors.  But if you add up the electrical energy sent to it, then you add up the heat energy lost, plus the kinetic energy gained from the rotation, and all other forms of energy entering and leaving the equation... You end up with exactly what you had when you started.   If energy was described as a molecule, and you added up every molecule of energy in the universe, since it can't be created or destroyed, then there is exactly the same amount energy in the universe today as there was 500 years ago.  That being true, this also means that every single device ever invented actually runs at perfectly UNITY.  But this also means that every bit of energy ever used, was free......

Free Energy is what we are all searching for.  And when you study what the laws of physics tell us, they also prove that Free Energy is everywhere.  Think of it this way...  Free energy actually means... AVAILABLE Energy.  How much it financially costs us is irrelevant.  A battery is actually a free energy device.  Charge it up, now you have "available" energy to use... Just like a hydroelectric generator, there is plenty of free "available" energy in the form of kinetic energy in the flow of water.  A hydroelectric generator simply converts the available kinetic energy into mechanical and electrical energy we can use.  If you add up all the sources of energy together, it's still exactly unity.  But to us, we made use of the free energy that was there, and we converted it so we could run our lights!

Free Energy is everywhere.  Converting it efficiently is the problem to be solved.  Honestly, a simple pendulum is a free energy device.  Think about it, all the energy that is put into it is lifting it from the bottom steady state in the middle position to a higher position.  Doing this, we must overcome the inertia of the pendulum wanting to stay still, and overcome gravity by lifting it up.  Now what happens when you let it go...  You get the gravitational energy back when it swings back to it's starting position again, but now the gravitational energy and the inertia wanting to keep it moving, forces it past it's starting position and on it's way back up the other side.  This is where the free energy enters the equation.  Newtons law says "every action has an equal and opposite reaction".  Guess what, nature see's the pendulum moving past where it started and gravity enters the equation to force it back to the start and fighting to overcome the inertia.  Now what you end up with is gravity and inertia fighting back and forth working against each other trying to stop the pendulum from moving as it keeps moving past the starting point until everything eventually balances out and it comes to rest.  When you really think about it, there is energy being converted back and forth like crazy in something as simple as a pendulum, with only one little lift to start it.

Just my take on it...  But for those who believe free energy only means energy you never paid any money for...  I've got a very simple way to get all the free energy you want...  Get someone else to pay your electric bill, and never pay them back!  There's your free energy device that fits the definition exactly...


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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 09:55:51 AM »
When you view free energy like I view it, idea's start popping up like crazy...  I've got about a thousand of them, most of them are not practical at all, hence the very nature of the problem.

Like this one...  There is a lot of free energy in something as simple as air bubbles... lol 
Think of this. How much electrical energy does it take to make air bubbles, hardly any at all.  But no matter what you do with an air bubble in water, it will fight to get to the surface.  So theoretically, you could pump some air bubbles in the bottom of a tank, let the air bubbles push small wheels on their way to the surface. Just like those nifty little things in your fish tank that move when air bubbles build up under them... Those small wheels "turbines" will generate some electrical energy to keep the battery charged you are running your air pump with.  Not enough electrical energy being generated to keep it running...  make the water tank taller, and "conserve that energy" as you keep reusing the energy from the air bubbles as they keep fighting through all the turbines on the way to the top.  A mile high tank of water, would get one little air bubble helping to push hundreds or thousands of turbines on it's way to the surface.  How much energy did it take to make that one air bubble?  Dont want to waste the air bubbles, instead of running a pump, split the water with the energy the bubbles make.  Now your bubbles are HHO and can be used even further!  hmmm... or maybe even just capping it off at the top, and feeding the air back to the bottom through a hose.  After everything finally balances out pressures, every bubble that hit's the surface would release one in the bottom of the tank.  Then it would not even need to be powered by electricity at all....

Practical.... nope... stupid, maybe, maybe not...  interesting... yup... lol
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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 10:20:38 AM »
"Free Energy" and "OverUnity"... FE & OU

For both terms one can find as many definitions as he wants... Both descriptions can be found in classical physics, but it frequently differs from the various interest groups (like this forum) common understandings...

FE? I'd say it is any recognisable (or maybe not?) energy source which is used by us, people, in an "unconventional / not commonly used" ways..

E.g. Earth batteries, "environmental charge" electricity, local fluid pressure potential differency ... Tapping the kinetic energy of a stream of water, coming from a tap while filling your pool or bath tub... Using the heat of your car exhausts for powering Peltier's, etc... Using a rain fall kinetics... etc, etc ... This "FE" is there since ever, but are we using it??? Why not?

Renewable energy (Poynt's point) is usually the prime energy source... Which means that this FE is still "CoE defined"... It's rather small in the magnitude of the effect (otherwise it would be widely used), and the project (!) never is absolutely "free of cost"... Even though the energy source itself is "for free"...

Check out the main energy sources used today... Renewables are still the small part of our energy pie. Even though they're a "Free Energy"...


OU?
There is actually NOT EVEN ONE DEVICE, which could be declared as "OverUnity"... (there are many claims, but ...If ones know any of such device, please, point me to it...)

This is the thoroughly researched area of a classical physics / thermodynamics.. Considering a very strict rules (definitions of a closed system), so far not even one device produced more "output" than "input"....

Which would be equal to producing power/energy out of nothing.
Which would made Perpetual motion a piece of cake.
Which is (to date) never achieved, and is considered "impossible"!... But ... Is it, really?  ;)

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 11:15:24 AM »
OU?
There is actually NOT EVEN ONE DEVICE, which could be declared as "OverUnity"... (there are many claims, but ...If ones know any of such device, please, point me to it...)

Oh.... Oh...  I think I know this one....   ummmm...  I forgot...  ;)

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Which would made Perpetual motion a piece of cake.
Which is (to date) never achieved, and is considered "impossible"!... But ... Is it, really?  ;)
The only Perpetual Motion I'm aware of is that of an electron.  Or atomic perpetual motion. But then you can get into quantum physics and stuff gets really weird in a hurry...

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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 11:39:11 AM »
Oh.... Oh...  I think I know this one....   ummmm...  I forgot...  ;)
The only Perpetual Motion I'm aware of is that of an electron.  Or atomic perpetual motion. But then you can get into quantum physics and stuff gets really weird in a hurry...

Quantum physics? Atomical perpetual motion?
You're wright... No matter what is known or what current physics is trying to teach you, there's actually a lot of unknowns, mysteries... No doubt about that...

You can have your own theory about the many things, like atom construction, workings , energy origins - and nobody can really tell you you're 100% wrong... They can't prove it for sure !!!

That's the point...And that's the reason I am here, too...

Cheers!


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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 12:26:07 PM »
Lets keep this simple.

Overunity as i believe it, is recycled energy.

Nature is overunity where clouds give rain and then goes back up and then goes back down and then goes back up.

What i can't understand and what is not is clear enough is how this gives more energy out, this is the major factor, but i really do believe it exists.

anyways go to this link below and read all of it.

http://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience







« Last Edit: December 14, 2008, 01:54:41 PM by lltfdaniel1 »

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Re: "Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 02:47:15 PM »
The bird,
Bird flies 7,000 miles—non-stop http://msnbc-1005096.polls.newsvine.com/_video/2008/10/22/2029525-bird-flies-7000-milesnon-stop
Weight ... what she eats and how much spent for eating ... and she flies ...
Is it Overunity ??? For me - yes - when to compare with the best of man-made "high-efficient machines"  :'(
Im  sure if we measure and calculate full efficient of Bird  adequate we do with the best man-made higj efficient machines -  then Bird is real Overunity.
How far can fly man-made the same weight micro spy airplane?  perhaps 70 miles (in reality 7) .But it has at least 98% efficient motor and the best known and secret batteries :o
Does the rest of 2% give 100....1000 times better result ??? Of course not.
Something goes wrongly with formulas ...
Mother Nature just makes it better ::)
Almighty God makes all the best.
with due respect,
khabe


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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 08:48:10 PM »
@ Captainpecan:

Thanks for posting.  Yes, I agree with your unity assessment.  Mother nature likes balance, equilibrium and unity.  I also agree with those that say energy from nothing is impossible.  But, having a device that uses energy from somewhere heretofore unused would still obey all of the laws of physics and probably qualify as "free energy" according to my personal definition.  Maybe "free energy" is a bad term in and of itself.  As we all know, nothing is free.  Someone once suggested the term "free to me energy" which is ok except in some cases, like plugging into the neighbor's power line or accessing the electric company's line before the meter, would be considered stealing.  Sure, anything one steals is free to them.

There have been some guys working with antennas on here and a video on youtube shows a guy charging his cell phone using his antenna and a few components.  Some think he is tapping into the aether or the energy in the air while others say no, he is just using the power transmitted by local radio and tv stations.  Here is a good case for what I am talking about.  No matter where the energy is coming from, we all know it is coming from somewhere.  Even if it is from a radio station, the radio station's electric bill did not go up because this guy intercepted some signals.  The transmitter does not know if the signals broadcast are going into a radio, or this guy's device.

So, free energy?  Yes, I think so.  Free to him energy?  Yes, and I don't think he is stealing anything.  Overunity?  Well, he is getting 100% more power out than he put in, so to him, yes.  Is it really overunity?  Probably not because you can calculate the strength of the signals broadcast and his distance from the transmitter, and all of the loses in his circuitry and I would bet the numbers come out to be exactly what he is getting.

Thanks for posting here.  Maybe we can all learn a little something, I know I have already.  Good luck with your experiments.


@ Spinner:

OK, besides the device mentioned above, consider the earth battery.  It is a closed system and one gets out way more than one puts into the system because you don't put anything in to it.  So, this should make it overunity....correct?  But, maybe not.  After all the power is coming from somewhere and it follows all of the rules of electrical devices once made, and possibly if we knew enough about where or how it is coming from, I would bet we would see unity as Captainpecan described earlier.  I do feel it qualifies for the term free energy as it is free and also, not stealing.

Here is something interesting Locajoe brought up on his original earth battery topic.  Find a tree, tap in a nail about 1/4" deep.  Take a voltmeter and put your neg. probe on the tree and the positive probe into the earth.  I did this and got 1.4 vdc.  Evidently that energy is there and has always been there, we just do not use it.  Can you imagine the power available in a large forest?  Thanks for your post.

@Khabe:

I also agree with you.  A human can eat 1 apple (for fuel) and move tons of stone with a shovel.  Talk about the efficient use of renewable fuels....the human body does this every day.  Why can't we figure out how to take a peanut butter sandwich and get all of the energy (both electrical and mechanical) out of it that our bodies can?  Our bodies may not operate at overunity but I'll bet it is close.  (maybe 99.9991275%?) Thanks.


@ All:

I really appreciate the way in which all of you are discussing this potentially highly charged subject in a decent, intelligent and respectful manner.  This is how we will succeed.

Bill

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