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Author Topic: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity  (Read 30579 times)

brian334

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2009, 12:54:53 AM »
When the opposition starts calling you names you know you won the argument.

onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2009, 07:48:18 PM »
Since the earth is suspended in space, it cannot be put on a scale and weighed. But scientists can estimate its total weight by estimating the weight of each of its parts, the crust, or solid rock, the mantle, also solid rock, and the core, a liquid, because of the great heat at the center.

These add up to an estimated 6.6 sextillion tons! To see what that number looks like, we'd have to write two 6s, followed by twenty Os, or 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons!

The earth's weight increases by 100,000 pounds each year from dust and meteoric material falling from the sky.

This is the reason why the Earth is slowing down in its spin every day because it is gaining mass on it's journey.

While we know the Earth's rotation is slowing that is not the main reason why the extra "Leap Second" was added by our official time keepers this year. The reason for adding a leap second is that the planet does not rotate exactly once every 24 hours (86,400 seconds). The rotation actually takes 86,400.002 seconds so that each day this little difference builds up between the atomic clock and the earth's rotation.

The Earth's rotation is slowing but at a much slower rate than 1 leap second every so many years. The length of time it takes the Earth, at the present time, to rotate once is 86,400.002 seconds compared to 86,400 seconds back in 1820. The rotation has slowed roughly only by 2 milliseconds since 1820. That seems like an insignificant amount of time BUT over the course of the planet's entire lifetime, it has had very profound effects on the geophysics of the planet.

Tracing these tiny milliseconds back for 4.5 billion years adds up to a very significant amount of time for a solar day. I have determined that the day/night rotation was 63,000 seconds shorter than the present 86,400 seconds it is today. This would put the Earth's rotation at about 6.5 hours per day/night cycle, when it was created, 4.5 billion years ago. (This is a much faster rate of rotation than the Cassini-Huygens mission (2003 to 2004) determined Saturn's 10.5 hours rotation period to be.)

Jerry ;)

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »
Maybe thats why people in the bible lived so long.....

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2009, 03:23:36 AM »
@ onthecuttingedge

we dispatch of more than 100,000 lbs each year by launching sattelites, pieces of the space station, exploration probes and whatnot.  so the earth is in fact losing mass.

this does not affect the decay of its orbit. we're still falling into the sun, because we do not have a propulsion system to maintain or increase the earth's orbital-velocity around the sun.

mankinds historical approach to such problems, is to "do nothing" because in all reality, we are in no danger in our own lifetimes, or those of our great great grandchildren......

ultimately, for mankind to ensure its future and place in this universe, we must permanently colonate other planets/moons/space stations.



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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2009, 04:05:43 AM »
Gravity is not the only force involved in our obit of the sun. There are magnetic forces and electric forces that play a part also. Those forces are 80 times stronger that gravity.

In fact, I am not entirely convinced that gravity is not the interplay of those two forces (electrical and magnetic) pushing and pulling on huge charged masses in space, like the Earth.

I've heard that plasma cosmology explains why galaxies spin as fast as they do with out flying apart. Morons that are not far from believing that the Earth is flat or the center of the Universe have come up with some pure fantasy they call "dark matter" and "dark energy". (Am I living in the dark ages!?!)

The Earth is electrically charged. Know it. You live in an electrical plasma. Accept it and move on. (I bet you never noticed the ten thousand volts you had on you until you touched the door nob and got zapped.) (I bet you still don't notice the hundreds of volts you are charged with this very moment.)

I look up at the sky and don't see sky. I see electricity and magnetism. I force myself to see it. Charge, movement and magnetism at right angles. (Nobody else does, so I will)

onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #65 on: August 06, 2009, 06:08:44 AM »
Satellites within 20,000 miles are still trapped by Earth's Gravitational field and will eventually re-enter Earth's atmosphere, Satellites within 1000 miles of Earth will fall back to Earth in the next 20 years, the Satellite mass will stay on/around the Earth so long as the Satellite doesn't leave gravitational orbit which is somewhere close to the moon.

if it is gravitationally trapped it isn't going anywhere except back to Earth.

I really don't think we put 100,000 lbs of satellites a year into space anyways and knowing that 80 to 90% of the mass of average satellites are made of Beryllium which has a very very low weight ratio.

If you have some figures I would love to see them.

Thanks
Jerry ;)

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2009, 10:32:05 PM »
Gravity is not the only force involved in our obit of the sun. There are magnetic forces and electric forces that play a part also. Those forces are 80 times stronger that gravity.

In fact, I am not entirely convinced that gravity is not the interplay of those two forces (electrical and magnetic) pushing and pulling on huge charged masses in space, like the Earth.

I've heard that plasma cosmology explains why galaxies spin as fast as they do with out flying apart. Morons that are not far from believing that the Earth is flat or the center of the Universe have come up with some pure fantasy they call "dark matter" and "dark energy". (Am I living in the dark ages!?!)

The Earth is electrically charged. Know it. You live in an electrical plasma. Accept it and move on. (I bet you never noticed the ten thousand volts you had on you until you touched the door nob and got zapped.) (I bet you still don't notice the hundreds of volts you are charged with this very moment.)

I look up at the sky and don't see sky. I see electricity and magnetism. I force myself to see it. Charge, movement and magnetism at right angles. (Nobody else does, so I will)
   
   I look at the sky and see various densities of energy even some that have condensed into what we call mass.

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2009, 09:55:23 PM »
brian334 said:
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Utilitarian,
My question is how can a satellite of earths get further away every year?
Can you answer this question?
Not likely.
But I am sure you can call me names.
@all
Take a look at this:
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v2i2f.htm

Tidal effects of the earth-moon interaction cause the moon to lose energy, and to conserve momentum, it moves further away as the earth slows from oceanic friction by the tide's movements.

--Lee
« Last Edit: August 07, 2009, 11:32:47 PM by the_big_m_in_ok »

onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2009, 10:25:18 PM »
there are many theories that describe how the moon came about to be Earth's satellite.

one theory I hold is long ago the now destroyed 5th (not Jupiter) planet that is now the Asteroid belt gave off a large piece of planetary shrapnel that got captured into Earth's planetary gravitation that over time reformed itself into a moon like planetoid. The moon has some rather huge Magma stress points like that of the sea of tranquility and so forth that indicated large tidal forces at some point in the moons history was tearing at its crust tremendously which also indicates that the moon was very much closer to the Earth at some point in its orbital exchange.

the only other theory that makes sense is that Earth at one time had a planetary dust ring like Saturn that coalesced into the moon but that is only my second thought. I prefer the first over the second.

Jerry ;)

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2009, 09:40:48 PM »
What if earth WAS the 5th planet and we got hit just right by a comet, bumps us up to number three and the moon is whats left of the comet in orbit cleaning up the pieces, would years of liquid gasses burning off and sloshing around have the same effect as oceans? would there be evidence of this? an atmosphere on the moon or would the earth absorb it over time?

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brian334

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #70 on: August 12, 2009, 10:51:47 PM »
The only rational theory about how the planets and moons were made is this.
The sun spits out the planets and the planets spit out there moons.
Than the sun sucks the mass of the planets back in with gravity.

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2009, 11:48:04 PM »
Spitting and sucking... lol, well that explains everything. I wonder how Einstein in all his wisdom missed all this spitting and sucking.

You sound like an 8 year old trying to talk clever stuff to a 6 year old.

Please look up the word 'rational'... because there is nothing remotely rational about anything you say!

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2009, 11:53:28 PM »
The only rational theory about how the planets and moons were made is this.
The sun spits out the planets and the planets spit out there moons.
Than the sun sucks the mass of the planets back in with gravity.
@brian334
From what I've read about stellar evolution, supernovae explosions deliberately and suddenly create uranium, thorium, etc.   This allows planets like ours to exist with molten iron cores and also possess a magnet field.

Black holes do exist to take up at least some of the mass you say the sun consumes.  Do you know exactly how this is done?

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brian334

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2009, 12:20:33 AM »
A important thing to think about is the mass of a object changes over time.

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Re: The earths mass is being sucked into the sun by the suns gravity
« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2009, 01:57:08 AM »
A important thing to think about is the mass of a object changes over time.

No, this is not an important thing to think about.  An object can gain or lose mass for all sorts of reason, like when you take a bite outa of an apple, it then has less mass.  Earth gains mass because space dust lands on it.  What the fuck does this have to do with anything?  Why do you say these idiotic things?  You are a complete fucking moron.