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Offline Kator01

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2008, 02:35:56 AM »
Hello Observer,

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  From what I can tell, I am still the only person who understands this as a viable phenomenon for an overunity device.

Are you ? It seems you are a lonley person ?
You could  change this.

 Why not share your knowledge about the ou-possibilities based on permeability ?

At least I also am very much concerned about permeabilty especially the perm of pure iron.

Regards

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2008, 03:02:35 AM »
Glutoc

Bomb Sh*t Dude. You are one of the first to have started to take these concepts to the next level. I have been unable to post, make comments, or further my demonstrations at this time due to other time commitments, however I am very happy to see that you have taken something valuable from it.

One thing that you can take into consideration with the original circuit. The primary and cap will have a resonant frequency, and the secondary with its parasitic capacitance will as well. It is unlikely that you are hitting the resonant freq of the secondary. This is why I showed the youtube video of the different resonant modes of a secondary. It is likely that your primary tank circuit is the one you are hitting resonance with, if you get this to match your secondary resonance, you will be pleasantly surprised. Also, it should be noted that any change on the loading of the Avramenkos plug will affect the resonant point of the secondary, and a bit of re tuning may need to happen.

I could go on an on with what to improve where, but lets keep it simple for now, great job, and thanks.

Hi armagdn03,

thanks for taking the time to look at this topic and to post some pointers ;)

Test 1 video was not all that good of a circuit as I had though at the time. If you look at the circuit you will see that the primary is directly connected in series with the secondary, so it was just like one coil. However test 2 (just posted above) gives a better result and is just a single coil with its cap in series.

The Avramenkos plug is a really interesting animal and seems great for extracting energy from a resonating circuit without having a degrading effect on the circuit.

I will try more combinations and will post new videos one I get improvements.

Thanks for your great help and sharing.

Luc




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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2008, 03:12:13 AM »
Kator,

Thanks for you response.

Last Summer is when I explored the science of Magnetic Permeability in the following thread.

                http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4831.0

If you take the time to read this post, you will find some answers as well as realize that I have tried to share this.

Not many if any grasped my initial concern that ferromagnetic materials amplify the magnetic field of a coil by 1000's of times !
I don't see anyone talking about this !!
                                                                    yet close observation of the formula that calculates the magnetic field of a coil reveals an interesting phenom.

As I did theoretical research on magnetics the record will show that
                         
                                              I came to the conclusion that a resonating transformer would be worthy of experimenting with.

Hense the aforementioned Electronics Set and my Resonance Transformer Experiments.

To be slightly more specific.

      I made a simple oscillating circuit with a transistor, a capacitor and an inductor (an audio transformer hooked up to a speaker)
   
      I tried every frequency by changing the resistance.

      At a specific frequency near the top end of human hearing... the sound from the speaker got very loud.

     I found that I could light up 3 volt LED with a 1.5 Volt battery only at that frequency.

     I found that the transformer itself vibrates and makes a sound at that frequency.

     I produced a continuous loud audible sound for 7 days with a 1.5 volt non-alkaline battery.

I definitely need to do more... and will have time during the winter months to expand on this.

Otherwise... I suggest this,

                                                EXPERIMENT WITH TRANSFORMERS AND THEIR RESONANT FREQUENCIES.

Yours Truly,
                     The Observer

 





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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2008, 03:12:15 AM »
Hi Luc, thank you for sharing....  a question about the ground, does removing the ground wire apply an arbitrary ground or is it the other way .... attactching the wire is an arbitray ground?

Hi kewlhead,

I'm not sure if I really understand your question ???... the coil is resonating with square wave AC but the Capacitor is charged by DC via the dual diodes off one side of the coil. Adding the Earth ground to either the positive or negative side of the diode plug increases the charge voltage for a reason I do not yet understand. Is it extracting that energy from the Earth?... I think it is but I can't prove it.

Hope this helps.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2008, 06:29:50 AM »
Hello LUC
i just watched your vid2 and i wonder if you apply dc square will you get the same effect ?
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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2008, 06:20:29 PM »
Hello LUC
i just watched your vid2 and i wonder if you apply dc square will you get the same effect ?
Najman

Hi Najman,

I'm no electronic expert as I'm learning as I go but I think if I just used DC and pulse it with a transistor at the same frequency the coil is resonating with the output of the signal generator I don't think it's going to work as I think the output of the SG has a 50 ohm impedance matching transformer, so I think it is tuned to resonate with this combination.

I could be wrong about this, so if anyone wants to add information please do as this is a public sharing forum and ideas can develop when we share and work together ;)

One way or the other I will continue to test and develop and share the findings.

Thank you for this good question.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2008, 07:21:41 PM »
@ Luc see what Milan Manchich have done:

http://keelynet.com/energy/milan.htm 

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2008, 07:48:31 PM »
Thanks for the link wings ;)

Looks good and thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2008, 08:47:25 PM »
Hi kewlhead,

I'm not sure if I really understand your question ???... the coil is resonating with square wave AC but the Capacitor is charged by DC via the dual diodes off one side of the coil. Adding the Earth ground to either the positive or negative side of the diode plug increases the charge voltage for a reason I do not yet understand. Is it extracting that energy from the Earth?... I think it is but I can't prove it.

Hope this helps.

Luc

Thanks Luc, I was try'n to learn what arbitrary ground is.....  I ve heard referance to abitrary as not being there  and thought maybe when you removed the ground wire it may have been considered abitrary .

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2008, 10:44:34 PM »
gotoluc:

I have just a few ideas I'd like to share with you, but I don't expect you to do it for me.It's just for your consideration.


What is going on if you connect led or diode to the ground wire ? Doe it matter in what direction is it connected ? Does it produce light ? Is it measurable current from ground with ammeter ?  Did you tried with various coils ? What are the results compared to self-induction of coil ? I suspect that a coil with much longer winding should give a much better results, faster charge maybe.

Thank you for wonderful experiments ! Please don't give up !


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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2008, 04:31:33 AM »
Hi all.
I made a small clip to show some of the things i notice with resonance.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lrlngX0ofFc

I used a square wave around 10khz.
The circuit is just a 555 as you can see, though it has triangle wave as well (not used in clip).
Scotty.

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2008, 12:32:43 AM »
gotoluc:

I have just a few ideas I'd like to share with you, but I don't expect you to do it for me.It's just for your consideration.


What is going on if you connect led or diode to the ground wire ? Doe it matter in what direction is it connected ? Does it produce light ? Is it measurable current from ground with ammeter ?  Did you tried with various coils ? What are the results compared to self-induction of coil ? I suspect that a coil with much longer winding should give a much better results, faster charge maybe.

Thank you for wonderful experiments ! Please don't give up !

Hi forest, thanks for looking at this topic and asking these questions.

Here are the answers to your questions.

Q: What is going on if you connect led or diode to the ground wire ? 
A: Placing an LED between (in series) Earth and the connection point on the diode to further raise the cap charge voltage, the LED light to about 1/4 light level no matter the direction but max voltage to cap will drop by about 100 vdc. By placing a diode between mostly stops the cap voltage gain using Earth.

Q: Doe it matter in what direction is it connected ?
A: No it does not matter, it can be connected on positive side or negative side and assists to charge the cap to the same voltage.

Q: Does it produce light ?
A: The circuit will not light a filament bulb but if you use a Gas bulb (neon or fluorescent) it will light it to a good visible level if connected to the DC output diodes (AV plug) but it is a better light when connected before the diodes (AC side) to one wire of the gas bulb and other wire of the bulb is connected to Earth or body.

Q: Is it measurable current from ground with ammeter ?
A: Yes, with amp meter connected between Earth and the DC side of diodes there is 645 micro amps AC when cap is shorted, and climbs to 900 micro amps when charging cap reaches 500vdc and slowly drops as the cap charge voltage raises and once it reaches 800vdc (maximum charge with volt meter attached) it stays at 730 micro amps but if I remove the voltmeter the cap will charge up to 1,200vdc and as it climbs the draw will slowly work its way down to 250 micro amps at maximum voltage.

Q: Did you tried with various coils ?
A : Yes, I have now tried about 5 now and the best score is the result above.

Q: What are the results compared to self-induction of coil ?
A: I took the cap out of the LC and did a frequency sweep from 0hz to 2Mhz square wave and none of the effects can be found that happen at resonance. The maximum voltage charge to the cap at any point was 23vdc

Q: I suspect that a coil with much longer winding should give a much better results, faster charge maybe
A: I am still testing and cannot conclude that at this time.

Stay tuned for updates.

Luc
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2008, 01:39:16 AM »
Hi all.
I made a small clip to show some of the things i notice with resonance.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lrlngX0ofFc

I used a square wave around 10khz.
The circuit is just a 555 as you can see, though it has triangle wave as well (not used in clip).
Scotty.

Hi Scotty,

most excellent video demonstration ;D

You are showing many more details of the effects of resonance and I thank you for posting your great video.

Did you use a capacitor in series or parallel in to get the coil to resonate?

Will you try and see how high you can charge a capacitor?

I would recommend a microwave oven cap if you do try it since they can handle the high voltage charge potential available.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

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Re: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2008, 03:48:52 AM »
@gotoluc
You made a 2nd video in which you replaced the transformer with a single inductor.
but you didn't show us a schematic of the new setup.
Could you please draw us a quick diagram of the new setup?

@wings
The Milan Manchich info is very interesting.  I wonder were he got the roll of insulated FLAT metal from.
I guess it would only need to be insulated on one side so a roll of peel and stick foil would work.

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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2008, 05:06:50 AM »
@gotoluc
You made a 2nd video in which you replaced the transformer with a single inductor.
but you didn't show us a schematic of the new setup.
Could you please draw us a quick diagram of the new setup?


Hi AbbaRue,

Yes okay, here are the details:

It is a series LC circuit like the image below. The inductor is 78 ohm DC resistance, 25mH measured air core and 112mH with the piece of am radio loopstick antenna ferrite core inserted and centered. The capacitor is .6nf and the resonating frequency used is square wave 17.6khz. The capacitor and AV diode plugs are on one side of the inductor which is the ground side of the signal generator and with the Earth ground to the DC side of the diodes just like the first circuit and the generator feed is alone on the other side of the inductor.

Luc

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