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gravityblock

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Why does mass slow time?
« on: November 25, 2008, 11:31:30 AM »
Photons, and everything else, like planets, try to go where time is least. Gravity curves spacetime because the photons or anything that has mass are seeking or are pulled toward a path of least time, which is a path of more gravity. Physicists have proven with atomic clocks and satellites that gravity slows time. Clocks run slower at lower altitudes where gravity is stronger. Time is least (flows more slowly) where gravity is most.

The earth orbiting the sun has momentum which keeps it in orbit. If the earth's momentum were to stop, the earth would seek the path of least time, and be pulled straight into the sun! It would not follow a curved path to the sun if it does not have momentum.

1) Mass causes gravity.
2) Mass seeks or is pulled where time is least.
3) The larger the mass, the least time is.
4) spacetime is curved to the curvature of the mass.
5) Without mass, time is not curved.
6) Without momentum near a mass, space is not curved.

Einstein said as you approach the speed light time slows down and mass increases. This also holds true for a black hole, because of its mass, time slows as one accelerates toward the event horizon and time stops at the event horizon. The reason why time slows down as you approach the speed of light is because the mass increases(More mass means less time). The question I have is why does mass slow time, or is my thinking curved also, lol?

froarty

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 01:03:00 PM »
only the atomic nucleus is tied into 3d normal space like we experience at macroscopic level -  The electrons although endlessly trying to reach their opposite charge in the nucleus are forever displaced by random virtual particles that are squeezed between the nucleus and the electron by the pressure of interlocked matter forcing it's way thru the sea like a child pushes a fish net thru his aquarium. the bigger the net (mass) the bigger the gravity. I think they refer to it as a time frame. The electrons are actually trveling in time although tethered by a very short leash which might account for the uncertainty principle :) keep in mind I haven't done much reading so you may want to verify that my conjectures aren't all hosed but they are a working mans theory that help me do my job.

  read somewhere they conside vacumn flucuations (virtual particles) with wavelengths below 1.7thz responsible for gravity and  wavelengths above that equate to time. We share the same awareness of gravity as felt at the microscopic level but as for Time...3D is a macroscopic illusion. If we could scale down and stand on a nucleus we could see into time and our orbiting electron would appear and dissapear randomly all around us as our time frame keeps slamming into virtual particles that wink into and out of existince and displace the electron from reaching the proton.

christo4_99

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 05:01:24 PM »
because time and space are tied together in a matrix...when gravity(mass) bends space it also bends time.like if you drop a sphere into the water,the water is displaced around the sphere...but with space/time the area surrounding the sphere is compressed and displaced at the same time.

froarty

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 07:11:39 PM »
yes - I agree but  was trying to put it in terms of the picoscopic since the time dimension is about to become available to us using Caltechs- Blacklights hydrinos or other "twisted" molecules. I wanted to break it down to the component level - those twisted molecules inside a polasma coil will have nuclei in normal space but their electrons are covalently bonded at an angle formed when the gas atoms were mixed between casimir plates (reduce dimensional confinement) this angle was fine inside the plates but upon exiting the covalent bond that formed while inside the plates now continue to hold the electrons at an angle that is suddenly into the virtual particle membrane (water surface in your analogy). these electrons will be pushing back hard against the virtual particles causing reaction to move matter without propellant AND give it leverage to slope away from the surrounding time frame(beneath your surface of water) out of normal space -they will appear to shrink like the reports of UFO's and can only be viewed from in front of the window where they submerged which might explain why chase aircraft see them fly off at very hi speed then lose them as they fly past the window -the speed might be accounted for by their direction -full 90 degrees and they could travel to another galaxy plus sidestep gravity which is a function of time(rate at which the kid is pushing the fish net thru the aquarium) . I just realized! if you travel at 90 degrees with both the drive I mentioned above and inertia damper I mentioned in another post we could actually have a star ship! the inertia damper is just ionized gas electrically spun into a whirlpool to form a saucer shaped dome above and below your craft it would slip thru the virtual particle with little inertia felt by occupants.
                                                                                                                                                   
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brian334

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 07:57:56 PM »
A clock is a mechanical device that measures time. If a mechanical clock speeds up or slows down because of some external force so what. Maybe it rained today. There is no space time connection.


4Tesla

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 09:40:39 PM »
The clocks on Earth/Space digital?  Maybe electrons flow faster without gravity (or mass)?  If you have a mechanical clock on Earth and in Space synchronized.. I bet they stay synchronized.

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 09:41:49 PM »
A clock is a mechanical device that measures time. If a mechanical clock speeds up or slows down because of some external force so what. Maybe it rained today. There is no space time connection.



Digital clocks are not mechanical.

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 10:39:47 PM »
Jason
Will you tell that to my boss.

triffid

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 11:34:14 PM »
It looks interesting.If time could be slowed down.It could also be speeded up?Maybe we could extract energy from different time flows?Take a difference between the two.If I could figure out how to turn a linear motion into a circular one I might have a force field that could be placed around a person to protect him or her against harm.I can stress space with a linear motion already using electric charges(capacitors).If I can turn that motion into a circular one.Then I might be able to slow time down far enough so that even light can't get through.Just an idea I had from the 1980's.triffid

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The closest I came to it was a method of grinding grain where cattle or oxen move around in a circle
but their(circular) motion is converted into a linear motion(back and forth ) to grind the grain.I could not figure how to do the reverse(go from linear to circular).

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 05:38:53 AM »
A clock is a mechanical device that measures time. If a mechanical clock speeds up or slows down because of some external force so what. Maybe it rained today. There is no space time connection.

LMFAO.  An atomic clock is not a mechanical or digital device.  An atomic clock is a clock that uses the resonance frequencies of atoms as its resonator. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, the resonator is "regulated by the frequency of the microwave electromagnetic radiation emitted or absorbed by the quantum transition (energy change) of an atom or molecule. For more information on atomic clocks, refer to wikipedia.

I automaticly assumed this would be understood.  In the very first mention of a clock I did mention atomic clock, and in other places I did not add atomic before the clock. Please note: All mentions of clocks is referring to atomic clocks.

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 06:34:37 AM »
More mass = slower time. Some ancient Sumerian tablet said that too! The planet Nibiru is several times larger than the Earth which explains why their time was slower and made them seem to live longer. It all makes perfect sense now!

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 08:49:31 AM »
The clocks on Earth/Space digital?  Maybe electrons flow faster without gravity (or mass)?  If you have a mechanical clock on Earth and in Space synchronized.. I bet they stay synchronized.

Jason

An atomic clock in orbit around the earth will not stay synchronized to an atomic clock on earth, the clock on earth will show less time as compared to the clock in orbit.  If you have two atomic clocks orbiting the earth in the same orbit (spacetime), then they will stay synchronized.  If the two atomic clocks are in different orbits, then they will show different time, the clock in the higher or furthest orbit will show more time than the clock in the lower orbit.

Take a look at these 2 questions.

1) When an object is orbiting the earth, then why does it not accelerate as it is orbiting?
2) When an object is not orbiting the earth but falling through to lower orbits then why does it accelerate?

In both questions the objects are under the influence of gravity or the earth's mass/energy, but you have different effects as far as acceleration is concerned.

My answer to question 1 is this: The object does not accelerate because the path that the object is following around the earth has the same curved time and the same curved space. A lower orbit will have a different curved time and a different curved space, etc.

My answer to question 2: The object will accelerate as it is falling through to lower orbits because there is a different curved time along the path that it is falling through. It is the space/time difference, that causes the object to accelerate if it doesn't have enough momentum to stay in that orbit.

When we see an object that curves along its trajectory path due to a large mass, then we are able to see that the space is curved. When we see an object that accelerates towards a large mass, then we are able to see how time is curved, we see the time being curved in the acceleration of the object.

Also consider this:
A black hole has so much mass that time gets slower as you approach the event horizon. It is not the velocity or acceleration towards the black hole that causes time to slow, but it is the mass that causes time to slow. If you increase your velocity or acceleration then you increase the energy/mass for that object. Since the energy/mass has increased then time has decreased. If you are on an object and the object's rest mass is large, then time will run slower on the larger rest mass object as compared to an object that has a small rest mass, just like what HeairBear said.
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brian334

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 02:06:57 PM »
There may be physical forces in the universe that cause clocks to operate at different rates under different conditions, but that does not mean time changed. it only means the clocks changed. For example if I pound on a clock with a hammer and make it stop did I stop time? I don’t think so.

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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 02:21:16 PM »
ok ok ok ok !!!

I have heard enough already ..

Number one question :

WTF is time ?

ie: you cant collect a bunch of seconds and call it a minute.. because those seconds dont exist beyond the moment, correct ?
So if you wish to aggregate or quantify the property time what is it you are sampling other than an idea ?

Maybe i can explain this better .. but I believe some will see the point regarding time and whether or not it is a participant.. ummm maybe ?


Or maybe it is explained best here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time


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Re: Why does mass slow time?
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 03:27:32 PM »
More mass = slower time. Some ancient Sumerian tablet said that too! The planet Nibiru is several times larger than the Earth which explains why their time was slower and made them seem to live longer. It all makes perfect sense now!
I disagree unless that planet is traveling near relativistic speeds. time is the virtual particle sea flowing thru the mesh of all atomic nuclei throughout the universe. I said nuclei because even the electrons orbiting the nucleus are already knee deep in time which accounts for uncertainty principle - from the electrons perspective they are being smoothly displaced by virtual particles from their intended path to the proton at the nucleus. From any other perspective the electron appears to be jumping around in time because it is intercepting the very stream of particles we experience as time in 3d before it reaches "NOW". Now is  a 1 nuclei wide dimension at 90 degrees to normal space which means the "Present" has a volume that equals the entire cubic measure of the universe multipled by the average radius of a nucleus and would be "quadric" instead of cubic.  AND that is ONLY the present! because once we can use "twisted" molecules like hydrinos to claw away from normal space the quadric universe will allow us to trave at another 90 degrees in paralell with the time line ... which then means that quadric volume essentially gets squared! Now for some cold water -these are my speculations and I could be totally hosed (but I don't think so)