Author Topic: Joule Thief (Read 6334119 times)

resonanceman · « **Reply #9945 on:** November 20, 2009, 07:41:33 PM »

Quote from: guruji on November 19, 2009, 09:55:11 PM

Thanks Resonanceman about the diagrams. Can you please tell me about the large cap where to connect it is it there as indicated?
What are those coils flying alone? Are they connected with each other?
Thanks

guruji

The cap you circled 1uF
Mine is rated at 250 V
You can probably get by with a lower rating.

A larger cap would buffer the spikes more.
A smaller cap may actually increase the voltage of the spikes a little .

About the coils
Back on reply 9962 I have the drawing you used in your reply and another drawing
The reason for those drawings was to show how to connect those coils to reach a self charging state.
The black in those drawings are the original JT and the extra JT coils that are being used for flyback and feedback .
The blue is the Jesus charger .
The red lines represent wires used to connect the coils for flyback .
The violet lines represent the wires used for feedback .
I did 2 drawings to try to avoid it looking like a jumbled mess.
The real circuit requires BOTH the connections for flyback and feedback.

10 extra coils are shown . I have usually needed 7 to 9 JT coils to reach the state of self charge . ( both battery voltage and output voltage rising )
You will need a pot in place of the resistor on the base of the transistor .
I can not claim OU with this yet ......because it is not quite stable .
It will self charge for a few hours then it drifts out of resonance or something.
A simple adjustment of the pot will put it back into self charging state for another few hours .

gary

Mk1 · « **Reply #9946 on:** November 20, 2009, 07:53:41 PM »

@all And Pirate

I think now is time to start a second tread for the jt , since pretty much every confirmed the potential i have seen in this project months ago .
congrats everyone !

Now is time for the Second Stage jt tread Or SSJT ...

First we should include some idea on what that should be .

Ex
first jt really fast charge small caps to high voltage quick discharge into SSJT and see what we can do at about 60 cyc ...

Or go hair pin circuit with spark gaps (on the flyback jt)

A lifter project would be really nice ...

Any way lets start SSJT talks! I can't wait to see this one !

Mark

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #9947 on:** November 20, 2009, 07:54:46 PM »

Gary:

Maybe I missed it in one of your posts and I didn't see it on your drawing but, what battery are you using to power your circuit? If it is an AA battery, or similar, I was thinking that maybe you could substitute a supercap for the power source and, I am only guessing here, maybe it would stay in resonance because the cap would maintain a constant value as opposed to a battery?

In other words, charge the cap from a battery, and then run your circuit from the supercap. I don't know for a fact that the supercap would perform in this manner, but I strongly suspect that it might.

Bill

resonanceman · « **Reply #9948 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:15:48 PM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 20, 2009, 04:38:53 PM

@IST and All .
Experiment 2 : same JT as before . using a 650farad cap charged to 1.420 volts charging another 650 Farad cap to a charged state of 1.000 volts . This was to save some time and Confirm Over the unity of the run cap . Circuit adjusted to 11 ma input current . BTW an easy way to measure current in put a one ohm resistor in series with positive or negative run battery/cap lead . This way you do not interfere with the circuit operation and can accurately measure the current draw by simply putting you amp meter across the one ohm resistor .
So far the charge bcap is 1.257 and the RUN cap is 1.417 V .
i will stop the experiment when i get the charge capacitor to 1.5 volts . this will be over unity . then i will swap the run and charge Bcap and measure what i have then.. This is a very simple way of showing Over the unity (OU) Exist .Also the cap i am charging was charged to 2.6 volts from yesterday Experiment # 1 . I discharged it to 1 volt using a small Nicrome heater element which glowed brightly for 4 and a half minutes before the cap reached 1 volt . I lit a cig with it and it was HOT!!!!!!!!! I could have tripled the Nichrome wire coil and got about 15 minutes short before i hit one volt and that my friends is pure AMPS .I may be the First one in history to actually make a heater from a Jt and a BCap . running from an aa battery If i had High Speed i would be the first to post a Video of such a device, SOMEONE replicate this Please . below is the Diagram for the AA setup . It also puts an excess voltage out on the secondary and provides Light and Heat .I am going to improve the JT circuit with bigger torroids and more wire soon . All 1 volt system

Gadget

Gadget

I would like to see you add a secondary and move your heater circuit to that secondary ..... it should be even more efficient .

gary

innovation_station · « **Reply #9949 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:19:01 PM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 20, 2009, 07:54:46 PM

Gary:

Maybe I missed it in one of your posts and I didn't see it on your drawing but, what battery are you using to power your circuit? If it is an AA battery, or similar, I was thinking that maybe you could substitute a supercap for the power source and, I am only guessing here, maybe it would stay in resonance because the cap would maintain a constant value as opposed to a battery?

In other words, charge the cap from a battery, and then run your circuit from the supercap. I don't know for a fact that the supercap would perform in this manner, but I strongly suspect that it might.

Bill

bill that is i think the best thing i ever herd you say ! and not that all your ideas and contrubutions to this are any less...

but that is spot on !

MK1 bro ...

that is a wonderfull idea! chapter !!

the SSJT lol lol lol

LOVE IT WE HAVE TOPPED 1000 PAGES ... WELL AS CLOSE AS I WANT TO GO .. LOL

999 IS A GOOD PLACE TO CALL INTERMISSION BREAK

world peace! LOVE ALL LIFE

WILLIAM

resonanceman · « **Reply #9950 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:26:29 PM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 20, 2009, 07:54:46 PM

Gary:

Maybe I missed it in one of your posts and I didn't see it on your drawing but, what battery are you using to power your circuit? If it is an AA battery, or similar, I was thinking that maybe you could substitute a supercap for the power source and, I am only guessing here, maybe it would stay in resonance because the cap would maintain a constant value as opposed to a battery?

In other words, charge the cap from a battery, and then run your circuit from the supercap. I don't know for a fact that the supercap would perform in this manner, but I strongly suspect that it might.

Bill

Bill

I did the drawing to show the concept .
MOST of what I have done with it was with 1 AA battery .
I now use 12 V for my circuits ........same exact setup except for an extra resistor on the base

You may be right about using the supercaps .......I am not sure that it would work ....... but there is clearly something happening that is not " normal " when charging a supercap with a JT.

I am on my way to Gadgets website to see if he still has some ultracaps

I can't really afford them right now ..........but I can't let you guys have all the fun

gary

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9951 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:39:11 PM »

@all
Just got back from town and want to give an update to Experiment 2 . the charge cap is 1.498 !!! and the run Bcap is 1.178 test complete . So conclusion on the first half of this experiment is YES there is an Over the unity of the run ultracap . Big time . now i am going to switch them and see if the run cap will go to 1.400 again to match what i started with or higher .
I am also making a replication exactly like this original jt and try it with two small "supercaps" 4.7 farads @2.5 volts and see if i get the same effect . somehow i dont think so . we will see
Gadget

stprue · « **Reply #9952 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:44:46 PM »

Sound like great progress gadget. I will keep my fingers crossed on it working for the lower capacity supercaps. I have some 10F 2.7v maxcaps so if it works I will relpicate.

Again, great work.

P.S. Do you have any pics?

stprue · « **Reply #9953 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:47:33 PM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 20, 2009, 07:54:46 PM

Gary:

Maybe I missed it in one of your posts and I didn't see it on your drawing but, what battery are you using to power your circuit? If it is an AA battery, or similar, I was thinking that maybe you could substitute a supercap for the power source and, I am only guessing here, maybe it would stay in resonance because the cap would maintain a constant value as opposed to a battery?

In other words, charge the cap from a battery, and then run your circuit from the supercap. I don't know for a fact that the supercap would perform in this manner, but I strongly suspect that it might.

Bill

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gadgetmall · « **Reply #9954 on:** November 20, 2009, 08:51:27 PM »

ok this is a quick replication and Experiment 3 with a duplicate Jt exactly like the other one . using 4.7farad cap charged to 2.5 volts for the run and a dead 4.7 farad with 0.100 of a volt for the charge . This might not be a fair experiment because i had 1 volt in the Ultracap but it will give an idea how a super cap is compared to ultra cap . and its a quick experiment . it too a few seconds to charge one up with a 9 volt battery

I am seeing the super cap charge up rather quickly as expected . Also i adjusted the current draw of the run to 9 Ma to give these little Scaps a chance /

Gadget

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9955 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:12:55 PM »

Quote from: stprue on November 20, 2009, 08:44:46 PM

Sound like great progress gadget. I will keep my fingers crossed on it working for the lower capacity supercaps. I have some 10F 2.7v maxcaps so if it works I will relpicate.

Again, great work.

P.S. Do you have any pics?

Well i have a mess and a slow connection but i will take the time to upload . here is a picture of my setup among1000's of parts and stuff. this is a picture of the volts off the run cap charged yesterday .it is charging the other 650 cap on the left . the leds are on the bottom right between the red meter lead.i forgot to shine them up but they are bright. theres the toroid and the tiny transistor and pot . i had to drop the resolution . it looks grainy
the Scap setup is dying out but still lighting an led so i'll wait until it stops lighting to give the results of Experiment 3

Gadget

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #9956 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:19:21 PM »

IST:

Thank you. I really believe that it will work using a supercap as the power source. Unlike a battery, it should keep the output steady at a constant volt reading as it discharges. As well all know, batteries go down 1.5 volts...1.4 volts...etc.

This should mean, tune for resonance once and then let it run.

Bill

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9957 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:27:38 PM »

Well Experiment 3 is finished . the run cap stopped at 0.521 volts thus the silicon 2n2222a limits . the charge cap reached 1.015 volts . So conclusion is a "supercap " is not the same as an Ultracap and wont work for this experiment with the standard Jt . It might work if i wind another toroid with MORE windings so to increase the time it ran . i don't know . more test on the tiny S caps are needed but it appears in this setup NO they do not reach Over the Unity of the run cap nor does it reach Unity either .Most of you have Supercaps and you can verify my findings with these .

@ Pirate Congrats on your Thread hitting 1000 PAGES !!! It will now take months to read this entire Thread

I am all for another thread SSJT . This is getting Big time now that i am producing HEAT and Light from a single cell . heck now that you know we can run Nichrome Elements i bet you anything you can so the same from your power from the Earth Battery . 4 sure . Iwas Just repeating this experiment for ist and of coarse By accident discovered HEAT !! FIRE and LIGHT at the same time .. ) More later stay Tuned Gang! Someone replicate this to Double Confirm Please .

Gadget

jeanna · « **Reply #9958 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:52:19 PM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 20, 2009, 04:38:53 PM

... I discharged it to 1 volt using a small Nicrome heater element which glowed brightly for 4 and a half minutes before the cap reached 1 volt . I lit a cig with it and it was HOT!!!!!!!!! I could have tripled the Nichrome wire coil and got about 15 minutes short before i hit one volt and that my friends is pure AMPS .I may be the First one in history to actually make a heater from a Jt and a BCap . running from an aa battery :
...
SOMEONE replicate this Please . below is the Diagram for the AA setup . It also puts an excess voltage out on the secondary and provides Light and Heat .I am going to improve the JT circuit with bigger torroids and more wire soon . All 1 volt system

Gadget

Gadget, this is brilliant!

I want to replicate this, of course.
Thank you for the description and the drawing.

Now, the question is what is nichrome wire? and mostly, WHERE do I find it?
Is it from an old heater from the thrift store?

Bravo and
thank you,

jeanna

stprue · « **Reply #9959 on:** November 20, 2009, 09:55:56 PM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 20, 2009, 09:27:38 PM

Well Experiment 3 is finished . the run cap stopped at 0.521 volts thus the silicon 2n2222a limits . the charge cap reached 1.015 volts . So conclusion is a "supercap " is not the same as an Ultracap and wont work for this experiment with the standard Jt . It might work if i wind another toroid with MORE windings so to increase the time it ran . i don't know . more test on the tiny S caps are needed but it appears in this setup NO they do not reach Over the Unity of the run cap nor does it reach Unity either .

@ Pirate Congrats on your Thread hitting 1000 PAGES !!! It will now take months to read this entire Thread I am all for another thread SSJT . This is getting Big time now that i am producing HEAT and Light from a single cell . heck now that you know we can run Nichrome Elements i bet you anything you can so the same from your power from the Earth Battery . 4 sure . Iwas Just repeating this experiment for ist and of coarse By accident discovered HEAT !! FIRE and LIGHT at the same time .. ) More later stay Tuned Gang! Someone replicate this to Double Confirm Please .

Gadget

Thanks for the info's and the time it took to upload the pic

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