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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2008, 07:04:03 AM »
OK, stupid question time.  Does anyone know if you can hook up 2 joule thief circuits in either/or series or parallel?  Would the transistors have to be in "sync" for this to work?  Or, would this allow an even greater amount of output with even less input?  Has this been tried?  Yes, you can already tell that I am going to try it unless someone tells me that they did and everything blows up.  If it is a good enough explosion, I might try it anyway.  These things are so cheap to make, even I can afford to lose one or two of them.

Thanks in advance for not laughing at my questions.  And for those of you that did laugh?  It's OK, I probably deserve it.

Bill

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Re: Jule Thief
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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2008, 08:13:46 AM »
OK, stupid question time.  Does anyone know if you can hook up 2 joule thief circuits in either/or series or parallel?  Would the transistors have to be in "sync" for this to work?  Or, would this allow an even greater amount of output with even less input?  Has this been tried?  Yes, you can already tell that I am going to try it unless someone tells me that they did and everything blows up.  If it is a good enough explosion, I might try it anyway.  These things are so cheap to make, even I can afford to lose one or two of them.

Thanks in advance for not laughing at my questions.  And for those of you that did laugh?  It's OK, I probably deserve it.

Bill
i laughed, but only because of the highlighted statement, damn near spit out my soda.
i have never tried hooking 2 in series nor parallel, sorry. if it is a good explosion, let us know so we can have some fun too   ;D

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2008, 08:19:02 AM »
@ Wilby:

I will let you know what happens.  Thanks. (grin)

Bill

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2008, 01:15:01 PM »
LOL :D

yeah, do let us know what you find when you hook two together...

To be honest, I haven't seen a clear scope shot of what exactly
happens in the Joule thief, and I think such a shot might help...

Of course it depends on how you hook them together... You could
try to use the output of one as the input for the second...
You could try hooking both of them to a capacitor (with diodes)
on the ouput side (in parallel) and see what the cap shows...
And you could even try to put several of the ring cores next
to eachother, around a copper rod or thick wire, and see if the
wire shows oscillations when you hook a meter to it.
Seems to me that, if all Joule thiefs work in phase, the ring
cores should also alternate their circular B fields in phase,
and any A field induction in the rod/wire would also seem to
be in phase, which might just give something interesting.
Or totally not. ;) ;D
Just tossing some wild ideas up into the air here. :)


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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2008, 06:51:24 PM »
LOL :D

yeah, do let us know what you find when you hook two together...

To be honest, I haven't seen a clear scope shot of what exactly
happens in the Joule thief, and I think such a shot might help...

Of course it depends on how you hook them together... You could
try to use the output of one as the input for the second...
You could try hooking both of them to a capacitor (with diodes)
on the ouput side (in parallel) and see what the cap shows...
And you could even try to put several of the ring cores next
to eachother, around a copper rod or thick wire, and see if the
wire shows oscillations when you hook a meter to it.
Seems to me that, if all Joule thiefs work in phase, the ring
cores should also alternate their circular B fields in phase,
and any A field induction in the rod/wire would also seem to
be in phase, which might just give something interesting.
Or totally not. ;) ;D
Just tossing some wild ideas up into the air here. :)


if you read the thread, links were provided that show scope shots...

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2008, 06:51:24 PM »
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Offline innovation_station

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2008, 06:12:54 PM »
pure joy ....  what else could i add


i have wired 10 rings from 1 supply ..  it could lite hundreds of leds  ;)

i have lit 90 leds from 1 aa b4 and 3 rings....

the thing is this .... the transistor only can disapate 1.8 wats.... each ..... as the specs say on the 3904   npn

did someone say  add em up  ;)

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btw i have about 20 more things i did with this lil unit ;D

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2008, 07:23:11 PM »
Cool thread Bill,

Maybe you will recall, I was wondering if we could wire up our NS generators like the joule thief, by twisting the 2 ends of differing metals (5 and 6)  together then using the other 2 (the 10's) to make a kind of joule thief circuit which is self starting when wet.

I never did it, because I never brought the generator inside to solder it up when I had an extra transistor hanging around.

I should perhaps take this thought over to the stub bifilar thread, but maybe , if you have another transistor free, you could solder it to a NS gen and get it wet and light those LED lights.

Wow, I am so glad you started this thread. I could do this suggestion in a few days, myself.

Thanks Bill,

jeanna

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2008, 07:23:11 PM »
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2008, 02:05:55 AM »
Hi Jeanna:

Yes, I remember you suggesting this a while back.  Actually what I hope to do first, is to go back to the carbon rod and magnesium block and wire the Joule thief to that to see what I can get out of it.

The next step would be to try one of the NS coils.

I suspect, but am not sure yet, that I was getting enough juice out of the electrodes that by using the Joule Thief I should be able to light several superbright leds.  We will see.

Bill

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« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2008, 03:06:00 AM »
what is the ns coil???  hummm  ill build it  ;D

lol

just bought another new cam but it is junk too i hope to find a good one yet and when i do lol....

you will see amazing sparks....

all leds i have used were super bright leds  8)  bring your shades lol ... 

this is the spec sheet ....    http://www.besthongkong.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=34

thease are the leds you  see in this flashlight

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2008, 03:27:12 AM »
what is the ns coil???  hummm  ill build it  ;D

lol

just bought another new cam but it is junk too i hope to find a good one yet and when i do lol....

you will see amazing sparks....

all leds i have used were super bright leds  8)  bring your shades lol ... 

this is the spec sheet ....    http://www.besthongkong.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=34

thease are the leds you  see in this flashlight

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NS = Nathan Stubblefield

Nice work on the three joule thief device, very interesting look indeed.  ;D  What kind of stuff are you getting off the secondary running through the cores?

Try looking at this store -
http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.410~page.1

They have nice cheap led parts, even up to a 50w led. 

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5766

For the best 5w led, I recommend a cree. They even sell tritium vials.  :D

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2008, 03:27:12 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2008, 03:30:00 AM »
@ ist:

Wow!  Nice photos.  All those leds powered from a single AA.....very, very cool.

The NS coil is short for Nathan Stubblefield coil which is a bifilar coil used by Nathan Stubblefield in his earth batteries which powered the telephone system (an original design of his actually more like cell phones as it was wireless) for Murry, KY and illuminated his home and also heated it.  All this long before the grid reached his area.  This was back in the late 1800's.  He was also a friend of Tesla's.  For more info....see my topic:

Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.0;topicseen

and Nathan Stubblefield Earth Battery/Self inducting coil replications
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.0;topicseen

Bill

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2008, 04:41:55 AM »
here is a pic of 45 superbright leds powered from a 7 turn jt  the lights that are dim are uv bulbs....

yes i have designed grow lights  for use with thease units as well and i  did a little digging and im going to develop a nano crystal coating paint for the led lights :D

build it spray it n grow lol  ;)

this will be one peice of my amazing high speed grow chamber ..  :)  another part  will be a electrostatic  injected tesla coil spark thing E :D

wich if you look to nature..  you will see plants grow best after a thunder storms .. :)

and yet 1 more part of it is  my charger tpu deal to keep it runnung 4 FREE  free food ??   WHAT.. LOL  YEP JUST DROP IT ANY WHERE ON THE PLANET AND LET IT GO OOPS I mean LET IT GROW !!!!!   

lol

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are we there yet ....... ::)


it aint even christmas yet ..... ;) ;) :D



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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2008, 06:02:22 AM »
@ Pirate:
You queried a few days back about the possibility of linking a few Joule Thief units together. I looked at Yucca's scope shot at: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg139195#msg139195 and wondered if the quick drop after each spike was producing radiant energy. If this is the case, then I'm wondering if the idea of sending the output of one to the input of another, and the latter's output to the input of another, and so on perhaps 4 or 5 times, would really kick up your spikes and radiant energy production. (might need beefier transistors in the latter ones)

Now, suppose the final output could be run thru an avramenko plug. Could you in effect light incandescent or fluorescent bulbs with this high freq hi radiant energy - much like was done on Doc Stiffler's thread (recall the original "party trick" lighting the bulb with a single wire underwater).  Anyway, something to chew on. As soon as I get time, I'll give it a try.
B

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« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2008, 07:53:56 AM »
@ ist:

That really is amazing.  Why do you need a coating on the leds?  Are you trying to filter out a certain wavelength of the light spectrum?

@ Bob Smith:

Yes, this is what I was wondering about.  My main concern is that possibly the transistor pulses have to be synced in some way in order to work?  I just don't understand enough about this stuff yet.  I was planning on linking two Joule Thiefs together just as you said, output of one to input of the other, just to see what happens.  If it does multiply, or act like a doubler of some kind, you may be right about the 2nd transistor, I may fry it.  But if it seems to work ok and has a good effect...well...the way my mind works is that if we can hook 2 together....what about 3?,6?,10? I am just glad these are cheap and simple to build.

I know Dr. Stiffler was using the Avramenko plug and I was following his work almost from the beginning.  I had no idea what this was so I googled it to find out.  I had never heard of one until Dr. Stiffler's work and then also I saw Stefan's replications on youtube.  Are these plugs easy to make?

I am also familiar with Bedini's work.  Are you suggesting that there might be some kind of back emf in these spikes on the scope shot? (Thanks for posting the link to Yucca's post, it was good to see it again now that I built one.))

It really would be something if you could light up a neon or florescent bulb using just a single AA battery wouldn't it?

My local Radio Shack is out of the transistors I was using...I bought the last one last week.  when they get more in, I will build more.  Right now I only have 2 joule thiefs and actually have not completed the 2nd one as of yet.  Once I do....I will try a few things and report back.  Thanks for your post.

Bill

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Re: Jule Thief
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2008, 09:23:09 AM »
are you sh!tting me.....


lol


i need better proof all wires in the pic  ;)


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