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Author Topic: Air - water electric generator  (Read 24315 times)

Offline Farid

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Air - water electric generator
« on: November 14, 2008, 08:00:08 PM »
Generating electricity from water and air or the remain Gases that go out from factories or from huge power generatours ( instead of water fall on turbines and move it in water dams - air or gases is instead of water ) air go up in water. It will work by turning the wheels producing electricity with use of the new technology of turbines and generators.

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Air - water electric generator
« on: November 14, 2008, 08:00:08 PM »

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Re: Air - water electric generator
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 08:14:17 PM »
it need power to brimg the water DOWN against the pressure (weight) of the water-tank.

If you have this power as air pressure, you can better drive einairturbine on an axe from elecitiy generator....
GP
This "themazic"  was discussed many time in OU

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 08:32:41 PM »
Pese thank you so much for your leave me the comment. i dont know when or where this idea was discussed and realy i dont know what is OU if you have E-mail for them i can contact them or if they have a web site i can visit it and read those discusions. i need more information to know if this idea can work or not . i have this idea since March 2007 and i have post it in this web site which can you see the date of puplishing in it http://www.business-idea.com/ShowPosting.asp?ID=2290 .
Lets talk about the power needed to bring the water down . i dont need any power to bring the water down in the tanks becouse the tank movement as you can see it cary air and air bush it up and the preasure of the air move the wheels which cary the tanks so the tanks after it reless the air it go down filled with water normaly becouse its empty insaid . so i dont need any power to bring the water insaid the tank becouse its natural . from that movement . the wheel give movement to air pump which bush the air in pips to fill the tanks again with air and also it give generators to generate electricty. pls leave comment again so i can correct my self or streanth some ideas about it. Thanks again and best wishes

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Re: Air - water electric generator
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 08:59:35 PM »
I see that buoyancy drives are generating a lot of interest lately.
Unfortunately that is all they will generate.

Please see http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/buoyant.htm and the other pages concerning buoyancy drives on the same site.

Why is Simanek's analysis wrong? First you must say why he is wrong, before you can claim that your (identical) device will work.

Buoyancy is just gravity, under water. The complexities of buoyancy hide what should be quite evident: these are just gravity wheels, and don't work for much the same reasons that gravity wheels don't work.

I'm not trying to be a rabid debunker, it's just that I hate to see creative and intelligent people wasting their time and effort on ideas that are 1) old 2) have been tried many times before and 3) cannot work from first principles.

Imagine what your creative effort could have produced, if only you had not gone down this dead-end path.


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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 09:04:34 PM »
Pese thank you so much for your leave me the comment. i dont know when or where this idea was discussed and realy i dont know what is OU if you have E-mail for them i can contact them or if they have a web site i can visit it and read those discusions. i need more information to know if this idea can work or not . i have this idea since March 2007 and i have post it in this web site which can you see the date of puplishing in it http://www.business-idea.com/ShowPosting.asp?ID=2290 .
Lets talk about the power needed to bring the water down . i dont need any power to bring the water down in the tanks becouse the tank movement as you can see it cary air and air bush it up and the preasure of the air move the wheels which cary the tanks so the tanks after it reless the air it go down filled with water normaly becouse its empty insaid . so i dont need any power to bring the water insaid the tank becouse its natural . from that movement . the wheel give movement to air pump which bush the air in pips to fill the tanks again with air and also it give generators to generate electricty. pls leave comment again so i can correct my self or streanth some ideas about it. Thanks again and best wishes

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G.Pese

Possibly ... at last ... The "Quinessenz" will be.
You need same (even mor) power to bring the air under water (so deeper - so more power)
so this are can give power back with bubbling to the top of the water, and move some spun or other parts

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 09:37:28 PM »
Pese Thank you again for share me the talk about the idea . i have seen the link that you type this link belong to AB Hammer and i have notice that he also make a copyright to him for this idea with Two designs with date of 10-11-2008. if you visit that link http://www.business-idea.com/ShowPosting.asp?ID=2290 you can read the date of buplishing which shows 11 May 2007 and thats the day that i buplish this idea through that link and one of his designs is a tipecal copy of my desgin eccept its drawen by hand.
Dear friends i am reading all the articals and i am learning . this idea maybe it will never work but i think if some one have the money to make it we will know for real if it can work or no. Its not easy to belive that pepole can have energy free but maybe they can.
Thanks again and best wishes

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Re: Air - water electric generator
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 09:46:53 PM »
From the Simanek link:
"This figure shows what happens as one piston goes over the top and the other one crosses over at the bottom. We assume that this wheel was turning counterclockwise. The next thing that will happen is that the top weight will cause its piston to decrease its volume, while the bottom one will cause its piston to increase its volume. In so doing, the bottom one forces water out its open end, and the top one takes water into its open end. This process causes a volume of water to move from the bottom to the top (schematically shown by the curved arrow). This requires work, as is always the case when mass is moved to a higher position against the force due to gravity. And guess, what? The work required to do this is exactly equal to the work done by the Buoyant forces (in the idealized case, with no dissipative processes to lose energy), just as we found in the detailed analysis."
(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/piston2c.gif)

Now, all you buoyancy motor experimenters: Just what is wrong with Simanek's analysis, and why doesn't it apply to your design???


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Re: Air - water electric generator
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Re: Air - water electric generator
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2008, 09:57:19 PM »
"you can read the date of buplishing which shows 11 May 2007 and thats the day that i buplish this idea through that link and one of his designs is a tipecal copy of my desgin eccept its drawen by hand."

Sounds like you are claiming priority for your design.
The following is from Martin Gardner's Scientific American column from 1972:
(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/gardnerm.gif)
And then there's this patent:
(http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/ddiamond.gif)
And "sponge wheels" using essentially the same idea are know from drawings at least 200 years old.
Note if the wheel won't turn on its own using the methods in these drawings, there certainly won't be any power available to run an air compressor or a generator in your modified design.

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2008, 09:58:33 PM »
TinselKoala Thanks share me the talk

Dear i dont see any conection here between the idea itself and pistons becouse this idea dont use pistons insaid there mechanical structure . can you exeplain to me more your thought pls.

Thanks

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 10:09:53 PM »
TinselKoala

I didnt see the last two pictures that you add becouse of the net connection . i have seen them and i am not here to fight about who own what . i have seen in the secound picture that the creater use balls insaid and offcourse it will be all balanced becouse of grafity and that will never work . the theered picture its the same of main and i didnt see that one before but its defrent from the idea that i post here. why? becouse he connected the jaz tanks with each other and that also make balance  so it will never make any energy or movement. the problem is how to bush air from up to down and i think that problem can be delt with useing new turbain technologies . forgive me all becouse of my bad english languge . its not my mother tung .

thanks TinselKoalaand pls comment again and again

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2008, 11:43:24 PM »
Greetings Farid

(I also posted this on my string)

  Nice drawing,  that type I would call a bubble catcher. It is a bit different from mine for mine don't catch bubbles at all. Their are allot of buoyancy devices with similar looks that go back hundreds of years. Mine is the first to use the anti buoyancy approach with bubbles. The none bubble side has full buoyancy for the lift.

 Have you built yours to give it a try? I build all mine that have a real possibility. So until I build it, I will not know if I can overcome what is needed to work. Just like with your drawing, you will not know until it is built weather it works or not.

By the way welcome to the forum, I enjoy talking to inventive minds. It brings life to the forum.

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 11:55:07 PM »
Dear AB Hammer

Thanks for share the talk about the idea. i have look at the first picture in your strig and finnaly i figer it out . your tanks are closed and full of air so its defrent from the idea that i posted here or in my other link Business-idea . i hope that we can work togather in makeing our hunger for reality become a fact . to know if we realy can make it or not

I thank you again and i apologize for any inconvenient i coused

Best wishes
Farid

(I also posted this on my string)


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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2008, 01:20:36 AM »
Pese Thank you again for share me the talk about the idea . i have seen the link that you type this link belong to AB Hammer and i have notice that he also make a copyright to him for this idea with  Dear friends i am reading all the articals and i am learning . this idea maybe it will never work but i think if some one have the money to make it we will know for real if it can work or no. Its not easy to belive that people can have energy free but maybe they can.
Thanks again and best wishes
Fine. I have think also specially on Mr Hammer .That have done some "inputs" here. I think in 2006 or 07 was an long tred with hundreds  Inputs over  month discussed here in Overunity. I think sombody will remember to discussed here and give you here the link also. That will you give NEW IDEAS , and knowledges wat is better "not to do" (ore some changes in construction)

Pese

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2008, 04:17:59 AM »
Farid, if you have some external source of high-pressure air, then your bucket chain wheel will turn, of course, and you can make it turn a generator or another air compressor. But, because of the water's viscous losses, it would be much more efficient to use the high-pressure air to drive a turbine directly.
You have to consider, that what ever method you use, pistons, bellows, pumps, balloons, etcetera, you are moving that same volume of water around, as you also move your bucket chain. This costs work--just as much as you get from the buoyancy change in the first place. There isn't any left over to move external mechanisms, and since there are always frictional losses, the mechanism comes to a stop.
Unless, of course, you supply it with an external source of energy, like compressed air from a different compressor.

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2008, 05:35:04 AM »
 If you can get a air pocket to produce more air pressure from it's flow from the bottom to the top then the air pressure used to create the air pocket when it is at the bottom then it can be done but to do so, you have to break the laws of physics which has not been proven done so yet but it doesn't mean it cant be done. The problem I come across is that the pressure equals out so that when you build up pressure, it stops the air pocket from flowing upward because the pressures equal out.
 The problem with trying to run a generator off the movement is the same and it to equals out and it cant be done because the generator would have to create more resistance then the resistance required to create the air pocket under pressure. If you could build a generator and or air pump that was 100% efficient, you could only create a steady perpetual motion that would eventually stop when a load is added. If you can get it to work and have available work left over, the generator and or the pump would have to be over 100% efficient and the whole air water design would not be necessary because you would only need the pump or generator and there would be a lot easier ways to use them then using air pockets in water.

 You have to have enough free movement to create more then the energy used to create the movement. The only thing I have thought of that could possibly work is a upgraded Bedini design which I have posted in another thread. Magnets are what makes that possible.   
 Another way would be to tap in to the earths natural energy currents but that is going to take a lot of thinking and experimenting to figure out. Tesla was said have figured it out but his recorded work has been tampered with and a lot of his notes have been lost. It was said that in his last years that he never recorded anything and kept it all to himself which is what we need to know about the most.

 Sorry to bust any bubbles here but that is the way it is unless you can prove otherwise but keep what have said in mind before wasteing to much time like I and many others have.

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