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Author Topic: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.  (Read 312765 times)

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #285 on: March 19, 2010, 11:17:04 PM »
Sure you can do that, however, for the particular setup displayed in stans patent drawings, completely not suitable - it does not give you the desired results.

Ah and:

A very common example is an AC waveform "Riding" on top of a DC signal.  Very commonly used, but along the same concept.  Use a Cap to pull the two signals back apart.  (Yeah, I know, That's old stuff.)

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That would be a false statement, that is a 6 pulse rectification of AC to DC with residual AC in the DC after rectifier ... by using a cap you merely get rid of the residual AC in your DC which would be very desireable (again, see my last pics ... notice the big capacitor in there right behind the rectifier?)

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #286 on: March 20, 2010, 03:15:00 PM »
Another cute definition of the term dielectric .. which in our case is supposed to be water, once again hinting on the fact that in order to comply, the electrodes MUST be isolated, it also hints that in this particular occasion, we indeed have to be working with a DC circuit in order to make proper use of the dielectric properties of water ... guys, do not condition your electrodes - isolate them, as of in 'entirely' ... here the definition as reference:

A dielectric is an electrical insulator that may be polarized by the action of an applied electric field. When a dielectric is placed in an electric field, electric charges do not flow through the material, as in a conductor, but only slightly shift from their average equilibrium positions causing dielectric polarization: positive charges are displaced along the field and negative charges shift in the opposite direction. This creates an internal electric field which partly compensates the external field inside the dielectric. If a dielectric is composed of weakly bonded molecules, those molecules not only become polarized, but also reorient so that their symmetry axis aligns to the field.

While the term "insulator" refers to a low degree of electrical conduction, the term "dielectric" is typically used to describe materials with a high polarizability. The latter is expressed by a number called the dielectric constant. A common, yet notable, example is that a dielectric is the electrically insulating material between the metallic plates of a capacitor. The polarization of the dielectric by the applied electric field increases the capacitor's capacitance.

The study of dielectric properties is concerned with the storage and dissipation of electric and magnetic energy in materials. It is important to explain various phenomena in electronics, optics, and solid-state physics.

The term "dielectric" was coined by William Whewell (from "dia-electric") in response to a request from Michael Faraday.

For any additional questions please reference the aricle in Wikipedia.

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #287 on: March 24, 2010, 05:33:41 PM »
Wow, who would have thought ... not a single post, no reply, no questions, no critics - nothing ... well, I guess not then ...

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #288 on: March 24, 2010, 06:08:44 PM »
your post only states fact, nothing to comment on?!
probably distilled water is enough to do the isolation though?

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #289 on: March 24, 2010, 06:16:33 PM »
if you have 2 electrodes (example) with a distance of 1 - 3 mm and apply a High Voltage DC Pulse you will notice very quickly that given circumstances, although distilled - it is quite conductive, it will arch (probably fry your electronics and/or transformer(s)) and a current will flow, at which point it becomes inductive and no longer capacitive ... dry ice would be good as a dielectric, but the moment it starts to melt and has water on the surface it will also start conducting ... so the only way is to isolate :)

Note: For safety reasons (mainly to your electronics and transformers) after proper isolation, the electrodes should undergo a induction test.

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #290 on: March 24, 2010, 09:16:14 PM »
I once built the Water Fracture apparatus from Chris Eccles, two plexiglass sheets were the walls of a container, cm in width, water in it.
Aluminum sheets were the electrodes, the high voltage pulses came from a timed flyback transformer.
Sometimes it would ark through the whole centimeter (so the voltage must have been > 10kV), but the water didn't change a bit. Since then i'm skeptic of the high voltage water fracturing thing.

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #291 on: March 24, 2010, 09:21:35 PM »
Well, if u had > 10 kV then the current was probably minimal and also the question comes up, were you pulsing it and how were you pulsing it? ... P.S. the moment it arches it looses it's ability to affect the water, you have to lower the voltage and reduce the distance of the electrodes.

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #292 on: March 24, 2010, 09:28:16 PM »
here's the patent, i pulsed it exactly as that.
the only thing was the ocassional sparking which shouldn't have occured. and probably the gap was too large, but the voltage was high enough.

okay i guess it weren't 25kV on either side, how would one do that without sparking through...

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #293 on: March 24, 2010, 09:34:51 PM »
That is the catch, the occasional sparking, it is telling you that the voltage is far to high - P.S. I do believe that the patent mentiones deliberately too high of a voltage, According to my understanding the voltage should be kept from below 1 kV (500 - 600V) up to a maximum of 1.5kV (at the very most) depending on distance of the electrodes, we cannot allow arching to occur, because the moment it arches ur entire HV Field collapses, once that happens u use any polarization effect it may have or have had on the water

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #294 on: March 24, 2010, 09:51:57 PM »
Yeah i changed the voltage to a lower value so it wouldn't spark, but the water was still unimpressed.

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #295 on: March 24, 2010, 10:17:59 PM »
in that case, drop voltage to about 600 Volt DC, another good way of checking how the water reacts, measure the capacitance of your cell. Hey remember those kids building water bottle high voltage capacitors and charging them? Well, they do work ... you do not see an obvious reaction of the water but if u touch a charged one it will hit you so hard that you'll probably walk 50 feet backwards and then land on your ass (P.S. if you have a pace maker - I wouldn't put it to a test, might be your last test) ... so ... fact is, water does react, now all we need to do, is produce the right reaction.

Look here

http://www.instructables.com/id/Make_A_Water_Bottle_Capacitor/

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design. - 1kV PWM Switcher
« Reply #296 on: March 25, 2010, 12:15:19 AM »
Here is a picture of an analog 1kV PWM generator - custom built based on the schematics of Stan Meyer and Dave Lawton. Input :0 - 1000 Volt DC Output: Pulsed 0 - 1000 Volt DC (continuous or with gating) :)

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #297 on: March 25, 2010, 01:27:24 PM »
Did you produce gas with pure voltage?

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #298 on: March 26, 2010, 07:16:25 AM »
how do you measure the capacitance of your cell?

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #299 on: March 26, 2010, 10:43:49 AM »
Use a RLC-Meter. Make sure the cables to your cap are as short as possible.