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Author Topic: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.  (Read 312183 times)

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #315 on: March 27, 2010, 04:20:49 AM »
I just ... I am sorry if it sounds bad ... can't wait for that moment where I get to tell everyone 'I TOLD U SO ' look, this has nothing to do with me being a wannabe whatsoever ... many of u have questioned my moves in the past ... oh bad bad pete, he is just about all of himself ... am I now ... gee wiuz ... maybe some people misread me after all ... still that bad as  pete that supposedly is all about himself? I dun think so ... but nice try anyways ... commmon, sound off anyone who has trhe perception that all this has been all alkong about me, I wanna hear it ... please ... don't be nice just speak ur mind. ... I am here - I always have been and alweays will be, I want to hear your thoughts. Please, tell me - how bad of a human I have been and how many unspeakable crimes towards mankind I have commited, I cannnot wait .... fuckers :D ...

Ok. sarcasm away, I did put a fair amount of effort of seeing this trhrou ... sue me if u dun like it ...I will still stand tall, it was not easy and its not like I had any sufficient help because anyone hearing about it was afrait .... are you afraid too ? ...

welll if u r u probabbly should not be alive right now becuase your carreeer went just backwards, in case u did not notice yet ...
(looser)

Do u want to know why I cannot stand your kind? It is simple ... because ya'all are fulla shit lol ...

HeairBear

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #316 on: March 27, 2010, 04:45:32 AM »
Before you can be able to "Tell us so" you have to tell us first. What you have told me so far is that I should buy an LCR meter and measure my cell's capacitance and even suggested a specific brand and model. Although, you failed to answer my question as to why, which leads me to believe you and haithar are not telling the truth or have no idea and talking out your asses. Some how I don't think you are going to be telling any one anything more than speculation and rumor.


haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #317 on: March 27, 2010, 11:28:39 AM »
Your right! I did not come here to compliment you, but, I did anyway. I was just so curious as to how you or haithar were measuring capacitance from your cells. I have come to the conclusion neither one of you knows, otherwise the answer would be "You can't measure a WFC's capacitance, or resistance, or inductance." Why you can't is something you'll have to figure out. I thought maybe if I had asked the questions you might have looked something up or actually tried to measure a cell and find you can not. You didn't though... Instead you wrote about... well, I don't really know what you were saying but it wasn't anything to do with measuring capacitance and why a person needs to measure it.

I wholeheartedly recommend both you and haithar to grab an electronics 101 college text book and do some reading and comprehending. I can imagine why there is so much mystery in it for you two. What gets me, is you guys talk a shite load about things you obviously have no clue about. How do you do that? Don't you think there is a smarter monkey out there reading this and knowing you are full of it? That doesn't bother you in the least?
I hope your post was meant to be a joke.
I told you how to measure the capacitance of your cell. Use a RLC-meter with shortest cables possible and measure while power to the cell is off.
What else do you want to hear?


And i'd probably not post on saturday mornings on 4 am after getting home from a club or whatever ..

HeairBear

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #318 on: March 27, 2010, 01:28:37 PM »
I hope your post was meant to be a joke.
I told you how to measure the capacitance of your cell. Use a RLC-meter with shortest cables possible and measure while power to the cell is off.
What else do you want to hear?


And i'd probably not post on saturday mornings on 4 am after getting home from a club or whatever ..

Did you bother to read the instruction booklet that came with the LCR meter?

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #319 on: March 27, 2010, 03:31:40 PM »
Yes and i still don't know what you are talking about. Why do you think you cannot measure capacitance with a RLC meter?
If you claim that I'd want to know why.

And spare us the "Electronics 101" statement, please.

sushimoto

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #320 on: March 27, 2010, 07:05:47 PM »
@peterpierre

Are you located in germany?

best,
sushi

peterpierre

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« Reply #321 on: March 27, 2010, 09:43:15 PM »
For the time being - I am. Why?

HeairBear

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #322 on: March 28, 2010, 03:52:25 AM »
Yes and i still don't know what you are talking about. Why do you think you cannot measure capacitance with a RLC meter?
If you claim that I'd want to know why.

And spare us the "Electronics 101" statement, please.

The meters will give you a false reading. The water itself is the cause of the problem. Any LCR meter is designed for typical capacitors, not water. If you could find a way to be certain of a real measurement, the numbers of the cell alone will matter very little, if any at all. As soon as any amperage goes through the water it's no longer a capacitor. That means to use the cell as a capacitor you would have to use an applied voltage of about 1 volt or less depending on the water.

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #323 on: March 28, 2010, 05:19:31 AM »
x-actly  HeairBear  ... that is why the electrodes MUST be isolated, in order for the cell to be a capacitor.

HeairBear

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #324 on: March 28, 2010, 05:59:29 AM »
That's just it, it can't be any kind of capacitor because the dielectric is always breaking down. The isolation helps in a different way but doesn't add capacitance or anything like that. For instance, try to measure voltage of an open cell after the water has settled for a few hours. As you take the measurement, stir the water. You will now see a small EMF generated in the cell caused by the movement of the water since the water molecule is polarized.

peterpierre

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« Reply #325 on: March 28, 2010, 07:06:36 AM »
HeairBear, I do agree, yet u have to see the fact that water can be charged to the point of overload, it just has to be done at the right frequency and it WILL yield the anticipated results. Common, we have come so far already, just let me handle the rest of this :) It'll be good - I promise :)

haithar

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #326 on: March 28, 2010, 12:19:42 PM »
The meters will give you a false reading. The water itself is the cause of the problem. Any LCR meter is designed for typical capacitors, not water. If you could find a way to be certain of a real measurement, the numbers of the cell alone will matter very little, if any at all. As soon as any amperage goes through the water it's no longer a capacitor. That means to use the cell as a capacitor you would have to use an applied voltage of about 1 volt or less depending on the water.
Yes that is right, water isn't very isolating at all. However when using distilled water the capacity is measurable [althrough it obviously changes with temperature, water movement, vibrations and so on like you said]. But we were talking about isolated cells in this thread, may it be with a rubber sheet or with a layer of calcium.
I don't see a reason why the resistance of a capacitor should be much lower than it's reactance in that case.

I also don't know how my RLC-meter measures exactly. I see the problems when using direct current to charge a capacitor and measure by this way, but there can be many methods of measuring a capacitance, depending on the equipment available (charge time, discharge time, frequency behavior, circuits for resonance and so on).

peterpierre

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« Reply #327 on: March 28, 2010, 10:46:32 PM »
More explanation (capacitance and other electronics 101 issues aside), let's go back to water.Why is common electrolysis so inefficient? It probably is because in electrolysis water is used as a conductor. With DC particularly, electricity flows in one direction. How do you expect to fracture the water molecule efficiently when u just use it to conduct electricity? You are not creating an imbalance in the molecule, you are just applying more current and add possibly chemicals to improve it's natural ability to conduct. But it is different when the electrodes are isolated and you leave the amps out (u need them anyways only if you want to use conductivity) and raise the voltage in order to create a HV DC field ... which in turn interacts with the electro magnetical properties of the water molecule (everybody following so far?) ... now quite frankly ... if I was the water molecule and was subjected to a HV DC field, quite frankly I would get pissed and would feel violated ... so there would a definate recation coming from me in response to the HV DC field ... do not underestimate the power of pure voltage, it has quite some kick under the hood. Now once again, water can be polarized but it has to happen in very short successive bursts (hence the pulsing of the field) ... u keep charging and adding to that charge ... well until the water no longer can keep it and yields to the electrical forces ... thats when we get the results we want.

HeairBear

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #328 on: March 29, 2010, 01:32:16 AM »
Which electrode does the current leave from? Stupid question, I know... Just checkin

peterpierre

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« Reply #329 on: March 29, 2010, 01:48:58 AM »
according to my findings from negative going to positive, however you will always find people who would like to argue that lol

why were u asking? ... nothing travels in my cell ... there is a big 'no current allowed' sign on it lol

... correction ... the only thing travelling is the water molecule being pulled apart from each electrode in a different direction with each pulse train.