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Author Topic: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.  (Read 312725 times)

peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #270 on: September 08, 2009, 08:14:17 PM »
Hi ya'all :) So, new week has started - meaning I do the 9 to 5 thing again so not much time - missing only a few components, damn I'm so close god damn it :( Need the bi-filar coils - properly wound and a switching transistor which can handle a switching voltage of up to 800 Volts DC @ approx. 0.08 Amps :( ... I have got rid of the spikes in the rectified Voltage by means of them 2 capacitors but still need to soften the pulses so I do need the bifilar coils :( else I'll be eating through a straw for a long time lol

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #271 on: February 23, 2010, 05:08:05 AM »
final power stage arriving from utah next week ... I am in k-town, germany, this is getting to be exciting after all and for all of u who were hoping for it, big disappointment, I am still alive and kicking :)

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #272 on: February 23, 2010, 05:20:07 AM »
current stage, cell powered at 537 VDC, guesstimate for best efficiency between 600 and 800 VDC

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design. Pics
« Reply #273 on: March 01, 2010, 01:52:24 PM »
Powerstage from Utah arrived. Well, this is where I am at the primary and secondary circuits are complete these are the results ... Input: 12 VDC Output: 577 VDC ... Pulse Train to be tested very soon on small experimental cell, am afraid to connect the big one, not just yet, not interested to be pushing up daisies lol

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #274 on: March 04, 2010, 08:56:35 PM »
@ Farrah

You know bro, I am aware of Farradays laws about electrolysis and I have to agree, you are a 100% right, however I agree also on something else, as Stan Meyer referred to this 'NOT' bein electrolysis ... and since it truly is NOT electrolysis (not even close) ... what happens to Farradays laws? :) (hint: ... out the window)

P.S. Note to real Farraday (irregrdless if dead or alive) - sue me ... lol

P.S.P.S. @ Farrah ... it is impossible to work with this voltage at such narrow electrode distances  ... if it truly were electrolysis :) it would cause a short :)

One more, Farrah ... automotive coil is volatile and has a limited efficiency when it comes to doing the job ... let alone the fact that the voltage is far to high for doing the job. 15kV ... who were u plannning on tazering with that anyways?
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 10:40:46 PM by peterpierre »

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #275 on: March 07, 2010, 04:06:22 AM »
What is it with u guys? Now that everything is going the way it was planned u all will bail on me? Well thats just great. Maybe ya'all are just not ready for it anyways, everybody is crying out for change/success but when it's there everybody rolls their tails between their legs and runs ... that sounds just to familiar to me, guess it's gonna be just me on this one, enjoy stickin ur heads in the sand.

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design. Pics
« Reply #276 on: March 07, 2010, 05:29:18 AM »
Powerstage from Utah arrived. Well, this is where I am at the primary and secondary circuits are complete these are the results ... Input: 12 VDC Output: 577 VDC ... Pulse Train to be tested very soon on small experimental cell, am afraid to connect the big one, not just yet, not interested to be pushing up daisies lol

Is that this Model ?

 Laboratory power supply EA-PS ...        EA-PS 3016-20B     INPUT: 115V / 230V 50Hz     1     OUTPUT: 0-16V/DC     OUTPUT: 0 -20A     POWER: 320VA     Screw/plug terminals     240x120x300mm        

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #277 on: March 07, 2010, 05:40:33 AM »
That is the powersource, yes, however, it is not the powerstage I was expecting from utah, technically you can use anything that produces 12-14V up to 4Amps ... which is not really necessary because this system has nothing to do with amps


P.S. don't get me wrong, this A is great, it lets u designate an accurate amount of power the way u would like to have it ... so yes, it is worth having one of those, but they are expensive (for lack of a better word)

--- not to mention ... heavy

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« Reply #278 on: March 16, 2010, 11:05:11 PM »
Here some useful info for you guys that might prove quite helpful (unless u gave up that is). So here’s the deal:

Stan Meyer did disclose the right approach in his patent(s) but he switched elements in the drawing around (in Stans drawings, first is the PWM Generator, then the VIC and after that is the chokes and the cell), took me a while to understand why I could not get the results he describes. With other words … the VIC (which is nothing but a series of transformers - in my setup) is first and after the voltage is stepped up then you invoke the pulses, then come the chokes and then the cell. You see, you cannot pulse AC or DC before inputting it into a step up transformer because in order to step up the voltage that transformer itself has a pulsing AC running through it, you either would lose your pulse or the transformers pulse (or both) and get a mess – or rather nothing – so you must step the voltage up to what it will be and then you invoke the PWM generator and then you will get a usable pulsed high voltage DC with a perfect square pulse … another thing also … the so called electrodes, which aren’t really electrodes – must be completely isolated, with those small distances a HVDC pulse will only cause a short in the cell and blow your diode or pulsing generator completely … if u are unfortunate your step up transformer will get hit too, in essence water is the dielectric but it is still conductive in order to be able to use the cell as a capacitor the electrodes must be isolated properly … we do not want the water to conduct any of the energy we are inputting but rather be affected by the HVDC field produced by this energy, in this way the cell will remain cool and we let the HVDC field take over the polarization process without punching the water with current whatsoever and in this way we are ensuring that the water temperature remains the same at all times and therewith the dielectric properties of water will not change during the process.

Any questions? :)

P.S. This is a purely capacitive - non-inductive system and no, it does not violate any laws of physics, it just has been ignored for a long time ... or been debunked or both.

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #279 on: March 17, 2010, 02:10:28 AM »
How can I read these pages without the pics?

No matter what browser I use here,
huge pics like in Farrah Day's post
make reading this impossible.

(Constantly scrolling left to right
to read each single line of text)




peterpierre

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #280 on: March 17, 2010, 02:31:05 AM »
Odd, hm ... I dunno bro, I guess ask the guy who created the board design aka. founder/webmaster? another possibility, you have either an old computer or just a way to small monitor or u just set it to a very low resolution, also possible. On average any computer today has 1280x800 or higher resolution so I think u would still be ok at 1024x768 but anything less than that (such as 800x600) I'm afraid u be out of luck ... also depends on your OS (at least partially)

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #281 on: March 17, 2010, 12:01:29 PM »
Blown intake manifold, eh? Wow, how did u do that? LOL ... besides it's not anything to be spooked over, it's not like the engine or the car exploded, crap like that happens all the time to people who buy those ready to buy HHO Cells, which are nothing else but regular 12V electrolysis. I think I found a proper way of coating 'electrodes' it's a tad bit pricey to say the least but I built a mini cell with plates, so the plates are sandblasted and coated with PVC, assembled and then tested with a induction tester (not cheap at all) but basically it increases the voltage until it arches (on purpose) - then you know how high you can go with the cell voltage before all hell breaks loose. Secondly ... my personal opinion ... I think anything from 600 to 800V DC is perfectly sufficient to provoke water polarization, especially with such sml plate / pipe distances, as I had mentioned before - what do you want 20 kV for? planning on tasering somebody? :)

P.S. HV Diode - no problem, but it's not only that, you also need one that can take the hit once the capacitor discharges ... example I step charge it with 600V ... upon discharge those 600V turn into 600A ... u need a really fat heavy duty current diode in order to hold that blast, else you will be collecting ur 1N4007 from all over ur place lol (probably partially be picking it out of ur teeth lol)

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #282 on: March 18, 2010, 01:04:37 PM »
LOL True, Well look, the thing with the VIOC does work ... the only reason why the other say it does not work is because they go by Meyers drawings, as I mentioned in my last post, Meyer switched places of the VIC and PWM, and trust me on this one when I tell you, the only way you get a proper HV DC pulse is if you first step up your voltage and afterwards invoke the pulses, it cannot work any other way - one good reason that supports my statement, the ferrite core of the toroidal transformer I am using to get up to 600 V DC, supports only and AC current with a 50Hz / 60 Hz Frequency so it brings 24V AC up to 400V AC after which 400V AC are rectified to ca. 570V DC ... the whole stepup process needs a proper carrier frequency to do it's job. Now ... what hapens if you pulse a toroid core which is provisioned to withstand only 50/60Hz with let's say ... 30,000 Hz? ... well ... you will break the damn transformer, you'd loose. So think about what I said it might just have merit ... maybe also because I tried it both ways and the one described herein by me - the latter does indeed work :)

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #283 on: March 18, 2010, 01:39:43 PM »
Look, I will give you the make and A of the stepup toroid in the pic ... its being sold as a 400V to 2x12V 75VA Toroidal Power Transformer: Make: Nuvotem Model: SFB0075-400-12 ... supported AC Frequency 50 or 60Hz .... cost: around $80 (55 Euro) P.S. Manufacturer is 'TALEMA'

So, you feed 24V AC in to the 2 outer pins of the 12V end  (each of the two pins is marked with 12V) the center pin is marked 0 and should not be connected to anything) ... on the 400V end u get your 400V AC ... now you must rectify those into DC and you will get roughly 570V DC after rectifier.

Authors Note: Do not mistake AC Frequency with Square Pulse Frequency ... Pulsed DC not equal AC
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 02:03:26 PM by peterpierre »

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Re: HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.
« Reply #284 on: March 19, 2010, 03:11:15 PM »
Additional Note: Why the setup Stan Meyer has in his patent drawings can not work in the sequence displayed. In order to step up Voltage, it has to be AC, you cannot directly step up DC Voltage without prior converting it to AC. The cell is driven by a square pulsed DC (according to patent but nowhere confirmed) in which polarity does not change and AC is a Sinusoid curve in which polarity does change at the rate of the AC frequency. To combine those two very different kind of forms of electricity and run them successfully over a single toroidal transformer with any amount of success might prove incredibly difficult - I would say - impossible, unless you guys have found the holy grail which would allow you to bypass quite a few laws of electrophysics. So, does anyone here like to disagree with me? Now's the time :)

P.S. Although there is also the marginal possibility that the Stan Meyer prototype was all along a AC type water cell capacitor and that the circuit was never intended to be run with DC ... but either way ... we can try both ways and see what happens :)