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sirmikey1

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Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« on: October 08, 2008, 04:50:26 AM »
Tesla Switch is an unpatented invention which was revealed from one of his associates.
Was used to power Tesla's Electric car, and his associate's.  Self Charging Battery
array which never needs charging, and caution needed with overcharging.  Appears that
load/pull/vacuum from one battery is used to charge other batteries, works similar to back
emf, where collapse/vacuum charges other batteries

Scroll down to Tesla's Switch
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Tesla_switch

SM
« Last Edit: October 08, 2008, 05:19:46 AM by sirmikey1 »

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 05:39:57 AM »
 ;) just a few keystrokes away ....


Thaelin

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 05:47:08 AM »
Hi SirMikey:
   I will have to bring your attention to the two caps in the bottom of the circuit. If these
are left as is, on one half of the cycle each will be reverse polorized and not be good. In
the last circuit I saw they were electrolytic and thus not workable. If left in and non polorized
you have a drop in voltage to the output. I could only see about 2 volts output with them in.
  If you remove them then you get the full output to the load. That is where I went with mine.I
also removed all the diodes and just added another transistor wired in reverse to the other one
so when you cycle, one turns on and the other turns off.
   I was trying to find the other thread where I was going to post my circuit but cant find it now.
Would it be ok to share it here? I think this is best as the topic is specificly for the switch.
I also want to caution that in one of the diagrams on the net, the FWBR is shown wrong so
if you wire up your own, use the right layout. Or just use one made up.
   
   I use circuit maker and there is a trick to copy the clipboard to paint and save as a giff. Know
how to do that? That way I can make up a neat and readable circuit to share. Not a hand drawn
mess like I have now.

thaelin

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 06:10:03 AM »
thaelin,

  Please post your circuit and schematic and/or demo clips. 

  My own thinking is that the rapid switching of the batteries
while under load creates some sort of bouncing or recoiling
effect, which is stronger than the battery, thus charges the
battery.  The recoil (backstroke) from used battery charges
unloaded battery.  Is this correct? 

  Tak22, thanks for the link references to former. Do old threads
just disappear from the forum listing?  Under Tesla, I only get
49 topics.   What is going on with that? 

SM

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 07:42:24 AM »
hi all

i think this may be the thread you're thinking of, Thaelin

  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3316.0

it covers quite a few varied attempts and discussions about this particular device and the underlying principles

i found the thread in it's later stages when i joined the forum with details of my own tests - there is an overlap in the approaches: switching energy from one source to another, shuttling it back & forth thro' a load, one or more times, to increase efficiency

all the best
sandy
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sirmikey1

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 08:00:31 AM »
- there is an overlap in the approaches: switching energy from one source to another, shuttling it back & forth thro' a load, one or more times, to increase efficiency

Sandy,
  What ran across my own mind was back emf, collapsing fields/charges. I was thinking that
that the loaded battery recoiling back to unloaded state may be the same thing, free energy,  that you can stick the recoil into an unloaded battery. Same as with back emf, you have to put the recoil into an unused battery, or the charge is lost, ghost.  Any feedback?
SM

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 09:08:07 AM »
hi SM

yes, the recoil/flyback is real energy - take a look at these results i've just found on flyback - seems to contradict the 'text-book' position that flyback can never be OU
  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5708.msg129736#msg129736

i don't have any experience yet feeding energy back into batteries - i'm using caps at the moment because it's easy to measure energy in/out as voltage increase/decrease

my circuit is basically one quarter of the 'Tesla' Switch - and i only pass the current thro' the load twice so far - haven't progressed to looping back, which is what the Tesla Switch does (with several sources) - but i can definitely get OU results from just one branch using caps

so i'd agree - the recoil HAS to be used, somewhere, or it's a loss in the system - and my recent tests are showing that recoil/flyback is likely the source of any OU behaviour in circuits with pulsed coils

be interested to hear how you get on

all the best
sandy
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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 03:00:54 PM »
   Well guess here is good enough for now. Still have a hot transistor. :-\
That is with all in the off state. So I have to dig into it more. So that means
back to the relays for the time being. I just received the gear mount for
the motor.
   Since I will be only switching at a very slow rate, the relays will suffice
and can be driven from a small run battery along with the lights.

Sorry for the delay.

thaelin

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 04:26:48 PM »
Hello,

 Great to see that people are getting positive results with this.
Wow Sandy, thanks for the link, your measured results. 

 I would imagine that 12 car batteries would get around 25-30
mile range, and so the electric car conversion crowd will likely
fall in love with this thing.   Bedini, Lindemann, Bearden, etc..
all say that the flyback/recoil cannot be put into the running
battery, or it just nulls/ghosts.

  Here's a patent for a 52KWH car/house battery. 
The battery fully charges in minutes as opposed to hours.
http://www.rexresearch.com/weir/weir.htm

Cheers,
SM

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 06:54:07 PM »
hi guys

Thaelin
i've started using CircuitMaker to produce schematics - i capture the design using PaintShop & then save as a GIF file

i just tried that with Windows Paint and you can do the same thing:
 - prepare the schematic in CM
 - leave CM window open & active
 - (on my computer) press 'Fn' & 'PrtSc' keys together to 'copy' to clipboard (might be Alt-PrtSc, or Ctrl-PrtSc for some)
 - press Ctrl-V in Paint Window to paste into Paint
 - SaveAs GIF file

hope this helps, would be good to see what schematic you're using


SM
yes, i've seen that about not re-charging battery while in use - HOWEVER - is there a difference between using your battery for an hour, disconnecting it, recharging it for an 9 hours, disconnecting it, repeat, etc, and using your battery for a millisecond, disconnecting it, recharging it for 9 milliseconds, disconnecting it, repeat, etc?

i don't know the answer to this - and maybe the answer is different across Lead-Acid, Ni-Cad, NiMH, etc

if you're using pulse-driven circuits then it's certainly possible to send current back into a battery in between delivering current out of a battery - the same battery - but i don't know how the battery feels about that !  :)

it's no problem to do this with capacitors (power supplies do it all the time)

the debate about Bedini circuits & Tesla Switch circuits recharging batteries seems to come down to two issues:
 - skeptics seem to say that in order to fully recharge a battery (i presume they refer to LABs) using flyback pulses you'd need such large voltage spikes that you'll damage the battery - reducing the spike voltage is better physical treatment but won't give full charge

 - Bedini & supporters seem to say that the flyback spikes operate in a non-standard way - "Volts * Amps don't apply" - the size/shape/frequency of the spikes cause a aetheric 'resonance' in the battery to make it act like a negative resistor and gain energy from the vacuum

as i say, i've only used capacitors so i can't comment on these two views


i suspect it's a lot easier to make & operate these circuits than it is to test if they're having the required effect on all the batteries


which is why i use capacitors   ;)

all the best
sandy
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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2008, 03:31:19 PM »
Here's a patent for a 52KWH car/house battery. 
The battery fully charges in minutes as opposed to hours.
http://www.rexresearch.com/weir/weir.htm
This is a capacitor, and a very big one. The snag is that if they are damaged
badly when charged, they can explode in a devastating way. (A real risk for
electric vehicles).

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2008, 10:54:02 PM »
All,

Tesla Switch seems to say that back emf
or collapsing emf is not emf, but radiant
energy recoil (vacuum).

I had an engineer tell me yesterday that
the tesla coil is running in reverse polarity,
that it's really a radiant energy receiver,
and because Telsa wanted the exposure
wild sparking, to captivate/amaze the
public/investors. 

In one of Tesla's biographies, Tesla said that
you could get more power from an antenna
and ground wire than his radiating tower.  Duh!
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto06.html

Tesla stated that his Magnifying Transmitter
would be his greatest contribution to humanity.
Not his tower, but the transmitter (spark tube) 
which powered the tower.   

Do those toy Telsa Spark globes output circa
100KV at <10mhz?  Anyone know of such a driver
or schematic? 
 
SM

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Re: Tesla's Switch (Self/Radiant Charging Switching Batteries)
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 12:23:43 PM »
i think sirmikey1 is right, we make an adjustment in the vacuum by driving a current through the wire, then the vacuum corrects itself with more force.

the switch if the current goes through the parallel batteries and back to the series batteries its still only half the current that was originally there.
                       
                       
24V -> 2 12V -> 12V
           50% stays
         (Batteries aren't
      100% efficient)

24V at the end would kill the source batteries faster, if it's only 12V hitting them it's not so bad.

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Re: Building a Tesla Switch
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 05:15:31 PM »
I am building a Tesla switch. I have build a proof of concept on a breadboard and am building a prototype to drive four 12v lead acid batteries. It uses Mosfets for fast switching, up to and slightly beyond 1mhz, and rectification of the output so there are no diodes in the oscillating path.

I think the Tesla switch is a good platform for testing other FE concepts because it will be very efficient to start with.

Please see: http://freeenergygroup.com/

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Re: Building a Tesla Switch
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 06:10:34 PM »
I am building a Tesla switch. I have build a proof of concept on a breadboard and am building a prototype to drive four 12v lead acid batteries. It uses Mosfets for fast switching
Some people suggest mechanical switching rather than solid state switching, but the duty
cycle for each half needs to be accurately 50%. You should need at least 200 cps but don't
go above 600 - 800.

Check out page 5 onwards:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf