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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2008, 12:00:54 AM »
I read the story and came away with a completely different conclusion. To me it was just a way to discredit something that they need to discredit. The same thing they did to Carr during his moment is what they want to do to everyone that thinks what he did is possible. BTW, the picture is of a german built (build in brazil where I live) space craft. Obviously not from an advanced civilization but it worked even though it resembles the style of a 56 chevy which is the clue to it's build date.

I prefer to believe and I support that belief with the facts that many people came up with VERY similar solutions to solve the same problem.

Read this list of people that solved the problem of anti-gravity and see if you can see a common thread.


Decker's Anti-Gravity Correlatives - 03/23/97


After much consideration and discussion with trusted friends, the following heretofore private file is being posted in hopes it will help to accelerate the discovery of gravity control in a real sense. It does not matter who does it, just that it is available for use by everyone. Maybe others will find it useful.
Compiled over the years and written up on December 5, 1993
Decker's Anti-Gravity Correlatives
The following is a compilation of information pointing to the basic principle of levitation that I have found in years of collecting and analyzing levitation phenomena and which can be reduced to a basic set of "clues".
These correlations are more than sufficient to give us engineerable approaches to the diminution or complete negation of what we term "weight" and "gravity".
One should understand the complete fallacy regarding the Newtonian concept of gravity being an ATTRACTIVE force. Rather, the majority of evidence points to gravity being a PUSHING force, most clearly seen in the relationships of celestial bodies. The permutations associated with smaller aggregates make it more difficult to perceive the TRUE nature of "gravity".
The simplest approach to keep in mind is that the universe is full of pressure zones that flow toward the center of all masses at a velocity proportionate to the mass aggregate size. Such a flow can be thought of as a wind blowing into the planet, with the planet functioning as a screen on which all mass is held by this incoming pressure.
We and all other mass aggregations which are associated with a particular celestial body are thus held onto the planet by this wind. Overcoming it is then simply a matter of "coming to speed" with this incoming flow.
Levity Rings
1) Keely - uses two methods

For Thrust (or levitation)
An artificial neutral center is created which causes the natural neutral center of the test mass to be drawn towards the artificial center with an attraction proportional to the energy flowing through the artificial neutral center.
For Weight Increase or aggregation of additional mass
When the artificial neutral center is superposed onto the natural center, the aether flows increase proportionate to the entraining amplitudes flowing through the artificial neutral center thus causing an increase in weight and a gradual INCREASE in the mass density.
For Levitation
A wire or ring is placed around the object. The ring is fed with a frequency that resonates with the neutral center of the mass. Such a resonance, properly directed can cause what Keely calls "high vortex action" to decrease or increase the aether flow through the mass neutral center. This flow creates the equivalent of a soliton, or a self-contained standing wave with extremely high rotational velocities on the perimeter of the mass. Such a flow directly controls the "weight" of the mass by exceeding the Flotte 'Z' axis or better stated, by creating a higher potential in the mass aggregate than that of the surrounding media for ejection of the mass to one more favorable to its energetic level.
Keely also reports a cooling effect of the local air when the anti-grav effect was in operation.

2) Uncle - (my FAVORITE!!)

the old man claimed he had inherited the secret of antigravity from his late uncle. "Weight is no object to me," he said. "I suspend all gravity by placing a small wire around an object. Taken from an 1890 series airship contact case. This particular airship as in numerous other documented cases, FLOATED in the air as a ship FLOATS on water.

3) Dotto

a constantan RING, cooled and heated, creates a force like that which suspends the planets in their orbits. The velocity of energy within this ring exceeds that of the planet velocity, thus imparting a tremendous amount of energy within the space of the ring and thus providing "levitation".

4) Tesla

"I can place a ring around the Earth at the equator and move it anywhere I so wish." It is CLAIMED that Tesla built a levitating sphere comprised of a ball with a single ring at the equator. When this ring was fed with an alternating current at high potential, one half of the sphere became very hot, the other very cold. The sphere levitated to a height dependent on the energy applied.

5) Schappeller

a globe, the top half hot, the bottom half cold, will levitate. The globe was composed of an external sphere made of iron, with an internal sphere made of ceramic or other non-conductive, high temperature material. This internal sphere was grooved to make a path for two separate conductive copper tubes, wound in opposite directions, one for the top half, spinning from the "North" pole towards the equator, the other spinning from the "South" pole towards the equator. The copper tube was filled with a "polarized dielectric". When the center sphere was spun with the iron sphere remaining stationary, a "glowing magnetism" was produced that could be tapped to produce free energy and/or levitation.

6) Farrow

an 18 ounce box, with a ring of electrical interrupters, when powered will produce a negative "weight" of 3 ounces to cause the box to float in the air. These electrical interrupters when fired at a frequency related or equal to that of the mass aggregate frequency, will produce the rotating sphere of high potential that results in levitation or "weight loss"
Aggregate Resonance Levitation

7) Egyptian Meru

a rectangular stone is covered on 4 sides with wet papyrus. A specially carved wooden rod is struck against the uncovered stone face and removed. While holding the rod, the vibrations will continue to increase, at the greatest amplitude, the rod is re- applied to the exposed stone face. The energy from the rod will suffuse through the stone, alter the neutral center aether flow by stimulated kindling and cause temporary levitation.

8) Leekskalnin

the hands are placed lightly over a stone to be levitated. An orally produced musical scale is run through until the hands feel a response stimulus from the stone. Each tone must be sustained to allow the mass to resonate and produce a sufficient reflection to enable detection. Once the mass aggregate resonance is hit upon, that frequency must be SUSTAINED to cause the neutral center to alter the aether flow and thus cause the mass to levitate.

Mechanical Rotation

9) Carr

found that rotation of a ring at a velocity greater than that of the Earth at its equator will produce levitation. Although Carr does not explain WHY this is so (I have since found it in Flotte's 'Z' axis), it is again the control of the flow of Aether through the natural neutral center of the mass.

10) Maine Professor - courtesy of Dan Davidson

a mechanical system, possibly using uni-directional thrust to create a levitation effect. This could also be a rotational mass, using the principle of the Carr Velocity.

Vortexial Rotation

11) Brown

the Biefeld/Brown effect, IN ITS MOST ADVANCED FORM, using rotation of very high potentials on the skin of the craft to produce the artififical neutral center. Early experiments showed a correlation between high voltage charges and gravity. When these charges were rotated, the craft developed tremendous lift and thrust, as specified below.

12) Searl

the electrical and kinetic energies are resonantly coupled from high speed rotation. This rotation exceeds the Carr Velocity at the Earth's Equator and so interacts with the neutral center of the mass to affect the aether flow and produce levitation.

13) Schauberger

by rapid rotation of sand, air, water or any other medium in a vortexial pattern, the aether flow through the neutral center of a mass can be enhanced or retarded to produce levitation.

Artificial Neutral Center

14) Wil Wilson

anecdote about a newspaper article with a picture describing a levitation device that was suppressed. A cylindrical container with a series of solenoids mounted on the top of the cylinder. Each solenoid is pointed towards a central focal point. When the solenoids are pulsed at the same frequency, the combined force creates an artificial neutral center which, depending on the amplitude of energy flowing into this artificial neutral center will cause the natural mass neutral center to be attracted to the artificial neutral center. The mass will thus be pulled in which ever direction the artificial neutral center is pointed, regardless of direction.

15) Fry

from a UFO case history, description of two rings. When dual magnetic fields are produced in these rings, the interaction will focus between the rings. This focal point will produce an artificial neutral center towards which the mass will be attracted by virtue of resonant attraction of the natural neutral center.

Theoretical

16) Flotte

the late Engineer Leonard Flotte, wrote an excellent book refuting the Einstein principles of Relativity. He uses a helixial system to describe planetary rotation, how such forces could be tapped, the relationship to time, gravity and other correlates.
I have spoken to the son, who understands almost nothing of his fathers work beyond saying that yes, his father had refrained from stating certain aspects of his research in the published book.
Essentially, all planetary orbits can be mapped onto a cylinder of a fixed length. The orbit, though longer in some cases, shorter in others, simply spirals around the cylinder MORE times dependent on its length. Thus, a reference frame is established known as the 'Z' axis. This 'Z' axis is thus a measure of the rotation VELOCITY of a planetary mass aggregate, otherwise known as its orbit.
The orbit of each planet is an indication of the energy level associated with that REGION OF SPACE and clues us into how we can transcend time and gravity by EXCEEDING the 'Z' axis, i.e. accelerating the energy level of a mass to exceed the energy level for our particular location in space.
This correlates perfectly with Russell, Pawlicki and Nieper (among others) who state that the closer to the sun or other RADIANT bodies, the greater is the energy density for that region of space. Thus, the farther one moves FROM such a radiant body, the less energetic is the local environment.
All this points to equating levitation as spitting a wet watermelon seed, from one pressure zone (energy level) to another, based on the focussed energy level IN a mass neutral center.


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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2008, 12:17:41 AM »
Lol, gee, there was somebody busy.

I agree, that the link you posted doesn't necessarily really prove it was scam.
Especially as the few more or less trustworthy people who really declared or even showed they built something in that direction all had the same physics! And from this physics point of view, Carr's device should work.
And from all these, I think Walter Russell explained at it's best the "physics" behind it.

@storre: About the many things you posted.
Well I only know very few of them. As I occupied myself intensively only with these people (Keely, Schauberger, Tesla, Carr, Schaeppeller, Russell). But for these few the explanantions given are definitely not really correct:

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5) Schappeller

a globe, the top half hot, the bottom half cold, will levitate. The globe was composed of an external sphere made of iron, with an internal sphere made of ceramic or other non-conductive, high temperature material. This internal sphere was grooved to make a path for two separate conductive copper tubes, wound in opposite directions, one for the top half, spinning from the "North" pole towards the equator, the other spinning from the "South" pole towards the equator. The copper tube was filled with a "polarized dielectric". When the center sphere was spun with the iron sphere remaining stationary, a "glowing magnetism" was produced that could be tapped to produce free energy and/or levitation.

I don't know where to start. But for example he never said that the top is hot and the bottom cold.
Another example is the last sentence about the center sphere spun with a stationary iron sphere...Well his actual machine worked quite differently...
It is really amazing, so many people write so many wrong things about Schaeppeller. This astonishs me, as there is only one book to study. But even authors how wrote complete chapters in their books about Schaeppeller don't seem to have really read it! Surely it's difficult to get. But you can download it on the net. I personally have an original, as this is much easier to study than a scan...

Another example:

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9) Carr

found that rotation of a ring at a velocity greater than that of the Earth at its equator will produce levitation. Although Carr does not explain WHY this is so (I have since found it in Flotte's 'Z' axis), it is again the control of the flow of Aether through the natural neutral center of the mass.

The rotation is only an additional movement which is necessary for discharge, the important part is the Central-Utron!
Just spinning something will not get you anywhere...no matter how fast you spin...

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4) Tesla

"I can place a ring around the Earth at the equator and move it anywhere I so wish." It is CLAIMED that Tesla built a levitating sphere comprised of a ball with a single ring at the equator. When this ring was fed with an alternating current at high potential, one half of the sphere became very hot, the other very cold. The sphere levitated to a height dependent on the energy applied.

When did he say that! Who claims this? I thought I read all of Teslas lectures and articles, but never read something about that!
This smells to me like another fantasy claim someone invented about Tesla...
Or another serious misinterpretation...like many many others...

I also not completely agree with the Keely and Schauberger explanations, but as these two anyway had a very very special vocabulary in explaining their work, it maybe wouldn't be easy to explain it in a few simple words...

To me it seems the author of these explanations did gather all he could find about the phenomena, but didn't really profoundly study the work of these people or just didn't understand them, as it seems he sometimes didn't even really get the keypoints.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2008, 12:44:39 AM by Shanti »


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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2008, 02:28:41 AM »
To me it seems the author of these explanations did gather all he could find about the phenomena, but didn't really profoundly study the work of these people or just didn't understand them, as it seems he sometimes didn't even really get the keypoints.

I would agree on that point!

The hot and cold statement may have been an analogy. Many times these inventors made statements when they were alive so as to not tip off others. Now that is not important but then it would have been.

I'm interested in Schappeller but have never read anything of his. You know of a good link that has a good collection of his stuff or a link to that book?

And I've been wondering something that maybe you can shed some light on. Is it possible that with a high enough ac frequency and voltage that the ring around a globe would work? I believe in what Carr said in that if you can spin an object at it's relative mass velocity then it will be immune to the gravitational effects of the body that IT is spinning on. IOW the earth. Well maybe that is what Tesla was referring to and it reminds me a bit of John Keely's work also even though he was doing more with audible vibrations as far as I'm aware. Either way the harmonics continue on forever so even if we are messing with lower frequencies, they should have an effect on higher frequencies according to the harmonic overtones.

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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2008, 03:05:25 AM »
I would agree on that point!

The hot and cold statement may have been an analogy. Many times these inventors made statements when they were alive so as to not tip off others. Now that is not important but then it would have been.

I'm interested in Schappeller but have never read anything of his. You know of a good link that has a good collection of his stuff or a link to that book?

And I've been wondering something that maybe you can shed some light on. Is it possible that with a high enough ac frequency and voltage that the ring around a globe would work? I believe in what Carr said in that if you can spin an object at it's relative mass velocity then it will be immune to the gravitational effects of the body that IT is spinning on. IOW the earth. Well maybe that is what Tesla was referring to and it reminds me a bit of John Keely's work also even though he was doing more with audible vibrations as far as I'm aware. Either way the harmonics continue on forever so even if we are messing with lower frequencies, they should have an effect on higher frequencies according to the harmonic overtones.

You are missing the point here on this one I think.  I have read many books on Tesla and his "ring around the world" was a mechanical device designed to utilize the earth's rotation for power or travel.  Think about it for a minute.  (Probably not possible to build, but maybe)  He said to erect a ring that sits above the ground at a certain height, mounted on pylons like a bridge.  Once built, If you are on one side of the globe, that ring wants to fall due to gravity.  If you are on the other side of the globe, same thing.  His ideas was, once built, to turn it loose from the pylons. It would then "hover" because it was being pulled toward the earth in all directions and could not fall to the earth due to its construction. (ring)  He then said that while the earth was turning at 1 rpd, covering many thousands of miles, that it could be used to generate power like a generator.  also, he envisioned that a person could get on the ring in NY and step off a little while later in France.  See?  Very forward thinking from a real genius.  I believe this could actually be done.  Very expensive though.

Bill
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2008, 10:57:05 AM »
Ahh thank you Bill.
So it again was what I already thought. A serious misinterpretation of one of Tesla's devices. I also don't know how people can interpret Tesla's statements sometimes in such a very very different way...
Seems people read just what they wanna read...Unfortunately this is the way the brain works...

Davson's book about Schappeller's physics: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Davson.pdf

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I believe in what Carr said in that if you can spin an object at it's relative mass velocity then it will be immune to the gravitational effects of the body that IT is spinning on.

Well this is not really completely correct. If you read "The Universal One", you will immediately understand what Carr talks about. If you want to understand this, you have to read it.
First you have to build an artificial atom/plant/solar/system/galaxy/etc..., this you mainly do with the help of the Central-Utron. Like that it becomes a natural system, which is able to "breathe" in and out. Now it also behaves like the rules for natural systems. And there now comes the rotation velocity into play. As the rotation velocity is directly proportional to the discharge of the system. If you just turn anytihing very fast you will not see any effect, as what you are turning is not an "artificial" breathing system. Otherwise there would be quite some things which would turn fast enough to levitate (e.g. a Turbomolecular pump), but they don't, simply because they are not in an artificial system, but still belong to the earth system....  The rotation velocity behaves mathematically exactly like Carr described. E.g. if you have a system which is 10 times smaller than the earth it has to turn 10times faster to get the same discharge as  the earth. this also determines the potential pressure of the system. So if you turn this system "relatively" as fast as the earth it will also float, like the earth in space.
An example: You never asked yourself, why the outer planets rotate so fast around themselves, while the inner planets rotate very slowly? This is exactly this law. The rotation period and the size are directly connected to the distance, where the systems are in equilibrium, and vice versa.
E.g. if you would grab the earth and put it at the distance where Jupiter is, it would become much bigger in size, would turn much faster around itself, and at the same time the revolution time around the sun would increase.
Sure this is just a rough explanation. As I said, if you want to have it more detailed, then you should read the book.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2008, 12:40:00 PM »
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Sure this is just a rough explanation. As I said, if you want to have it more detailed, then you should read the book.

Thanks oh shanti shanti. I'm reading the book now. Thanks for the link!

With all the brains we have thinking on this subject around the world and all the people like Tesla that solved these problems, I think it's a very short time before one of US rediscovers the techniques. Even mistakes about interpretation can birth new ideas. I recall so many things in my life that resulted from what appeared to be an accident or misunderstanding at the time. The sub conscious works in mysterious ways :)

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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2008, 04:43:57 PM »
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Thanks oh shanti shanti. I'm reading the book now. Thanks for the link!

Lol I actually thought you should read "The Universal One" from Russell, not Schaeppellers book.
As Schaeppeller surely did already have quite a profound knowledge, but Russell had the complete picture.

I don't think it would be a problem to really publish detailed such devices. But I ask, should we?
My personal opinion is, as long as humanity is still in the barbarian state, we should not give out such devices. As in the wrong hands, the outcome could be disastrous...
The current world-picture may seem hard. But it seems people will need these crashes on and on until they understand that material sense satisfying is not what humanity is for. We are spiritual beings, so we should also act like that.
The funny thing is, that Russell also said that. That before one should publish such inventions, the first invention to publish has to be the ultimate defending device. So that all weapons would be useless. Only then one should give out the other inventions. But unfortunately until now, I could not get the idea how to use this principle to design such a defending device. Although, I would have tons of ideas how to use this physics to design the most terrible weapons you could imagine. Sure I know, why this is,  for I'm also still partly in this barbarian stage. No doubt about that.

Well, nevertheless. Wish you all the best, light, love and peace.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2008, 05:29:59 PM »
Lol I actually thought you should read "The Universal One" from Russell, not Schaeppellers book.
As Schaeppeller surely did already have quite a profound knowledge, but Russell had the complete picture.

Well I love to read so I will read them both but will take your advice to read Russell first. This Russell book is online? It's the one more pertaining to this subject? I live quite remotely so it's not to easy to get things physically. That is why I need the space ship also. hahaha

I don't think it would be a problem to really publish detailed such devices. But I ask, should we?
My personal opinion is, as long as humanity is still in the barbarian state, we should not give out such devices. As in the wrong hands, the outcome could be disastrous...
The current world-picture may seem hard. But it seems people will need these crashes on and on until they understand that material sense satisfying is not what humanity is for. We are spiritual beings, so we should also act like that.
The funny thing is, that Russell also said that. That before one should publish such inventions, the first invention to publish has to be the ultimate defending device. So that all weapons would be useless. Only then one should give out the other inventions. But unfortunately until now, I could not get the idea how to use this principle to design such a defending device. Although, I would have tons of ideas how to use this physics to design the most terrible weapons you could imagine. Sure I know, why this is,  for I'm also still partly in this barbarian stage. No doubt about that.

Well I agree but it's my belief that we are in these situations just because these devices are ALREADY in the wrong hands! Really though I don't plan to release any information on this type of machine when and IF I ever do recreate it. I'm looking at it more for an energy producing device because electricity where I'm at is difficult AND very expensive!

Well, nevertheless. Wish you all the best, light, love and peace.

Love and Light for you to and nice to meet someone on the same wavelength :)

Peace!

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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2008, 08:08:27 PM »

Quoted excerpt;

" material sense satisfying is not what humanity is for."


How true...and how fortunate that I discovered that early on in life.

The satisfaction of the people I deal with far outweighs any monetary return...as a result I still enjoy doing what I do for a living...although a lighter schedule would have me enjoying it more. :)

I think I read somewhere that junior Bush was actually conceived in one of those anti gravity discs, and that somehow his neurons became entangled with the ships waste disposal control unit during a sudden phase shift caused by lightening..is that true ?

That wood explain a lot.

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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2008, 08:53:15 PM »
Quoted excerpt;
I think I read somewhere that junior Bush was actually conceived in one of those anti gravity discs, and that somehow his neurons became entangled with the ships waste disposal control unit during a sudden phase shift caused by lightening..is that true ?

Tooooo funny! Bush the phase shifted turd :)

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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2008, 12:11:41 AM »
That Project Camelot site with the Otis Carr info is nutsville. Space brothers, Serpo, wingmakers, psychic healers, mysterious UFO witnesses dying off left and right. I notice their forums are coin operated which speaks volumes to Bill Ryan's motivation.

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I am in constant contact with the Creator, Great Spirit, One that is All, Mother Nature, Divine Essence, RA, Ascended Masters, Collective Consciousness, beings from other worlds, angels, aliens, my core group, even with you, my brother. Be still and know just who you are, who WE are and enjoy the love of it ALL.

It's almost like Ralph Ring didn't get the memo that the 1950's 'Space Brothers' nonsense was exactly that. He sounds like a deconstructed George Adamski.  Does anyone seriously believe him that the Space Brothers are waiting for us on Mars and Venus?

Carr's book 'Dimensions of Mystery' is stream of consciousness religious rambling with almost zero scientific content. How anyone believes this guy actually built a flying saucer is the only mystery.


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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2008, 07:44:48 PM »
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That Project Camelot site with the Otis Carr info is nutsville. Space brothers, Serpo, wingmakers, psychic healers, mysterious UFO witnesses dying off left and right. I notice their forums are coin operated which speaks volumes to Bill Ryan's motivation.

LOL, why do you relate the reliability of a person to a site which writes about him or interviews him?
Sure I also have some doubts about the Camelot site, but this has actually nothing to do with Carr. I don't see how you can make a tie here.
E.g.: If I set up a site about you, and interview you, and I am completely nuts. Does this mean, you're also completely nuts? (this is just an example, I absolutely don't mean, that Bill Ryan is completely nuts!)

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Carr's book 'Dimensions of Mystery' is stream of consciousness religious rambling with almost zero scientific content. How anyone believes this guy actually built a flying saucer is the only mystery.

Lol, it also wasn't intended from Carr, that this should be a scientific work!!! It was a piece of (art)-literature Carr wrote.

But I can surely understand your doubts. I would also have them, if I didn't have plunged deeply into the works of e.g. Keely, Schauberger, Schaeppeller or Russell.
They really all share the same cosmology, and the interesting thing there is, that Carr's device is like a 1:1 practical realization of this cosmology.
In this relation, also the story of Carr being a disciple of Tesla, would fit perfectly into this picture.
Therefore I personally think, this thing was real and worked.
But as everybody has his own right to believe or doubt whatever he likes. No problem...


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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2008, 07:55:32 PM »

I don't accept as truth everything on the Camalot site either Shanti...but I listen to and read everything.

Among all the information gleaned, the truth will resonate within you...at least it does with me.

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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2008, 08:00:34 PM »
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Among all the information gleaned, the truth will resonate within you...at least it does with me.

Perfect. I couldn't have described it better!
This is also, how I feel. It's like an inner voice, which immediately tells you if what you read is the truth or not.
But I didn't wanna explain  it that way to wizardofmars, as he probably wouldn't have understood, what I meant.

Thank you


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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2008, 04:11:34 AM »
Sure I also have some doubts about the Camelot site, but this has actually nothing to do with Carr. I don't see how you can make a tie here.

Because that website is one of the sources on Carr, and most of the 'new' info comes via Ralph Ring.

Here's what I think - Ralph Ring's story has been a great draw for UFO conferences and selling various videos for the last few years. Nobody appears to have done anything to actually validate anything the guy says.

Ring makes wild assertions about Carr and Tesla working together that have never been proven. Until then, he's as phony as Dr Jonathan Reed and the alien in the freezer.

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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2008, 04:11:34 AM »

 

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