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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2008, 12:35:19 PM »
The Carr's craft reminds me of a bedini monopole also. I'm currently building some bedini energerizers. The Carr craft seems to have a big capacitor in it's center that accumilates it's energy from the spinning inner disk (also a capacitor) and then sends that out in pulses to the C coils that are fixed to the oppositely spinning outer shell. The 6 spinning tilted double cones are wrapped with magnet wire like a tesla pancake coil to increase it's potential difference but I'm not sure where there 2 ends of that coil connect to. It would be easy enough to wrap the wire and solder it's ends to each end of the cone that could have a metal point so as to contact it's support. Then from the support that energy could be fed to the capacitor as well. Since it doesn't have any permanent magnets it seems just like a motor that just uses coils on both the stator and rotor to create the attraction repulsion. Pulsing these stator coils and rotor coils is the key to their efficiency I think. Seems a type of bedini circuit except instead of using transistors to create the timing, it uses the disk itself that is formed as a capacitor to create the pulsing exactly in step with the rotor.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2008, 01:06:15 PM »
Thanks for that info on Bush storre.

Viktor Schauberger is the man when it comes to earth/nature related technology...I don't recall reading of any relation to size relative to speed in the things I read on his craft...did I miss a reference somewhere else ?

If Otis's craft creates its own magnetic field, as alien craft do, and are not subject to 'G' forces, then I can't see the earth's field being an issue.

But who knows, your math skills are far superior to mine...I think I was sick that day. :)

Regards...

My math skills are very weak but thanks!

I definitely read somewhere about Viktor saying that his implosion craft would reach a very high speed and then just shoot up in the air, out of site. I didn't understand it at the time but now with this info about  Carr's craft it came to the front of my mind and I thought could be from the same effect.

I'm thinking that if you are on a rotating body which creates a magnetic shield, then the only way to escape from the effect of that shield is to rotate either at the same rate or faster.

If you take the speed of the earth at 1 revolution per day and the diameter of the earth and reduce them by 2 then you arrive at very fast speeds for smaller objects. Do we have any examples of things spinning at these rates? I know I have a 10,000rpm HD which is fast for HD's and it's running 10 times slower than the earth would be if it was the same size. The earth at 9cm would be spinning at 93206 rpm!

It seems that to escape from the spinning action of the earth and the gravity created by that then we just have to spin or get into something that is spinning at the same rate or faster so that we slip free from it's oscillations.

So until we learn how to make a motor as efficient as the earth, we get stuck here until we learn how :)

I don't know what the calculation would be to see what the rate of spin of the earth would be as it progressivly got smaller so I did a spreadsheet (attached jpg) and just took the diameter of the earth and reduced by 50% as I doubled it's rate of spin. Then calculated that to revolutions per minute and second.

Does someone know how to make this into a formula so you can take any size and arrive at it's rpm or hz?



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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2008, 06:10:34 PM »
Is there any more information on the statement of "space cycle of electricity" or "joining cycles"?

"... Q: In other words, you might call this a self-contained power supply, right? How would this generator --- maybe I'm using the wrong word --- gather additional energy from outside?

OTC: This is due to its circular motion. Electrical forces are motions where they manifest. Now we have cycles in alternating current; AC gives you 60 cycles per second; we have discovered in our experiments that there is a space cycle related to electricity, and if we join the cycle we get energy from it. ..."

from site: http://www.projectcamelot.org/ralph_ring.html

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 05:43:30 AM »
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In January of 1961, Carr was convicted of "the crime of selling securities without registering the same" in Oklahoma, and fined $5,000, far less than the sums he had obtained from investors in the area. He was denied an appeal on March 1, 1961. Carr could not pay the fine, and served part of a 14-year jail term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_T._Carr

As for the story about George HW Bush being the adopted son of Nikola Tesla based on an unsubstantiated 'ebook' written by 'Orion'...give me a break!

Let's look at some of 'Orion's other claims shall we? (from Amazon.com's page for this 'book')

DR. JOSEF MENGELE IS THE ZODIAC KILLER, THE REAL BOSTON STRANGLER AND THE REAL 2001 ANTHRAX MAILER KILLER WHO ALL HAVE NEVER BEEN CAUGHT!

THE NAZIS MURDERED DR. NIKOLA TESLA IN 1943!

GEORGE H.W. BUSH WAS THE BADGEMAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL!

SEE NEVER BEFORE PUBLISHED PHOTOS OF BARBARA BUSH AND SS NAZI GEORGE H. SCHERFF AKA: GEORGE H.W. BUSH WITH SS NAZIS: OTTO SKORZENY, JOSEF MENGELE, MARTIN BORMANN, REINHARDT GEHLEN AND MORE!

SEE THE ONLY PHOTO OF HITLER IN EXISTENCE AFTER HIS ALLEGED SUICIDE!

HITLER'S SS GESTAPO MERGED WITH THE AMERICAN OSS TO FORM THE CIA.

But don't trust me. Pay $25 and read the PDF for yourself.


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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 02:47:15 PM »
Could be interesting for you:

http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/philosophy-forums/philosophers/ninteenth-century-philosophers/walter-russell/1842-walter-russell-otis-carr-tesla-schappeller.html

If you look at the diagrams of an allegedly Vril-Device, you will see, that's exactly the same as a Carr-device except the Carr-Device has some additional outer Utrons, which are used IMHO to rotate the thing on its own, while the Vril-devices needed a motor for this.

Here a Vril-diagram:


« Last Edit: December 15, 2008, 10:01:52 AM by Shanti »

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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2008, 02:24:10 AM »
And quoting hitlers famous line:

If you are going to lie, lie big so it's not believable.

Get the book, see the pictures to back up what he says.

He shows pictures of all the key people from wwii up until the present with 100s of pictures.

Very convincing but better you get the book before convincing others it's bogus.

The truth is much stranger than fiction!!

Oh and there is no date on the official surrender document of germany surrendering.

Oh and don't forget operation paperclip which is tied into all of this. It's the cleaned up version of what really happened.
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2008, 05:04:05 PM »
Why would I waste my money on yet another book of nonsense?

Oh and there is no date on the official surrender document of germany surrendering.

Wrong. All these documents have dates on and in them. The main German instrument of surrender signed 7 May 1945 has the date written on both pages - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_instrument_of_surrender for a scan.

The only lie being told here is the author telling porkies. I guess he's never heard of Google or Wikipedia.

And just to be complete:

Instrument of Local Surrender of German and Other Forces Under the Command or Control of the German Commander-In-Chief Southwest; April 29, 1945

2. All armed forces under the command or control of the German Commander-in-Chief Southwest will cease all hostilities on land, at sea and in the air at 1200 hours (Greenwich mean time) on 2 May 1945. The German Commander-in-Chief Southwest undertakes to arrange accordingly.

Signed at RHEIMS at 0241 on the 7th day of May, 1945. France On behalf of the German High Command.

Instrument of Surrender of all German Armed Forces in Holland, in Northwest Germany Including all Islands, and in Denmark; May 4, 1945
Instrument of surrender signed at Luneburg, Germany, May 4, 1945
Entered into f orce May 4, 1945; operative May 5, 1945

2. All hostilities on land, on sea, or in the air by German forces in the above areas to cease at 0800 furs. British Double Summer Time on Saturday 5 May 1945.

Act of Military Surrender Signed at Berlin on the 8th day of May, 1945

2. The German High Command will at once issue orders to all German military, naval and air authorities and to all forces under German control to cease active operations at 2301 hours Central European time on 8th May 1945, to remain in the positions occupied at that time and to disarm completely, handing over their weapons and equipment to the local allied commanders or officers designated by Representatives of the Allied Supreme Commands. No ship, vessel, or aircraft is to be scuttled, or any damage done to their hull, machinery or equipment, and also to machines of all kinds, armament, apparatus, and all the technical means of prosecution of war in general.

from http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/gsmenu.asp

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2008, 06:04:27 PM »
Why would I waste my money on yet another book of nonsense?

Why not? Money is that important? Send me your email and I will send you my copy then you don't have to spend anything and then you can discuss something with facts instead of suppositions.

BTW, the first page does NOT have the surrender year. Seems strange no. It's not important to have a year on such an important document?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:German_instrument_of_surrender2.jpg

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2008, 02:05:06 AM »
BTW, the first page does NOT have the surrender year.

But it has the day and time of surrender, which was the important part. The year is on the second page. They were busy fighting a war. Maybe they were short of proofreaders.  ::)

I've signed hundreds of contracts that don't have the date on any page except the signature block.

It's not important to have a year on such an important document?

Yes, it is is very important. But they don't need it on every page of a two page document. Was it confusing for historians trying to figure out when WWII ended if they didn't put the year on every page of the two page document?

I like how your claim morphed from 'no date on the document'  to 'no year on the first page'. Typical conspiracy BS that never stands up to scrutiny.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2008, 02:19:02 AM »
I think the year would be important but really it's one small part of many pictures and documents that show what happened. It's really the extension of project paperclip that seems to be more well known.

It explains why Bush and his father did so much to destroy America's image along with the many other problems they caused.

Picture after picture showing about 15 of his closest comrades first in nazi uniforms and then in regular clothes in family get together settings, mostly in Florida about 30 minutes from where I live. The pictures are a few years apart from each other and show clearly that it's the same person.

What are all these nazi's doing in America at weddings and family get togethers???

Anyway read the book if you want to know more. It was something I stumbled onto researching FE but it came with some very interesting information about Tesla which is my main intersest. Politics usually are very uninteresting to me but it explains how Tesla may have unwittingly helped the nazi's win the war. haha sorry had to put that in :)

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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2008, 10:19:59 AM »
LOL, I don't mind if some people wanna believe Hitler's still alive or that Nazi's still are somewhere hidden...etc...etc...

If some people wanna believe this, they can. Everybody can believe whatever he likes, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
But please, I think this has now gone quite far too offtopic in this thread!
I wouldn't mind if it has something to do with Carr's device, but the discussion has really already gone from this theme.
Thank you.
Sorry I started this, by posting an allegedly VRIL-Schema. I also don't know if this whole Vril/Haunebu-story is true. As all the information about it is actually from one source (Jürgen Ratthofer), the rest just always copied from him (e.g. van Helsing). And Ratthofer himself never ever mentioned the source for his stories and documents, more than that, he even declared in the foreword of his books, that this doesn't have to be correct what he's writing!

I myself was just astonished when I saw these allegedly Vril-Schemas, as they really look very similar to the Carr-Device.
There are just 2 major differences:
* Carr's device also has outer Utrons
* The Vril-Devices are mounted so that the inner part can not only rotate around the central axis, but also rotate a little bit on the x-y-plane.

I was astonsihed, as according to how I understand these devices work, it should really be able to fly.
The outer Utrons are IMHO really just for additional regeneration (produce energy) and at the same time they rotate on their own around the central Utron. Which means, the Vril device would need to put always quite some energy to keep the rotation, whereas the Carr-device would do it on its own.
The complicate x-y-plane mount of the Vril could have been necessary to be able to dampen the precessional movements  which will happen during the flight.
Today one would control this by directly computer controlling the outer magnets, so it would not be really needed anymore. But at that time, maybe this mechanical dampening principle was more doable than some electric controlled thing.
As I said. I don't know if the Vril/Haunebu-stories are real. And even if they would be real, how much of it would be real.
But according to my understanding the schema I posted at least would make sense.

Just for speculation purposes:
How would the germans have got to this idea?
* Well from telephatic messages from Aldebaran...  ;D (Well if you wanna believe this, I don't)
* Schaeppeller invented quite some similar devices. But he used spherical coils. And in the schema are conical coils. Second if it would be based on him, it would almost certainly also have outer Utrons, as this was his major thing, to drive machines with the power that the outer Utrons develop around the central Utron!
* From Schauberger. It is known that Viktor Schauberger had to work some time for the Nazis. He developed the so called "Repulsine". But this device is quite different from the other devices, as it works on a water/air mechanical principle, although it surely is based on the same physics. But even Schauberger himself said, that they will never be able to build such one without him, as there are too many secrets he kept for himself.
* They got it from Tesla. It is known, that the late Tesla declared, that he invented a flying machine without wings and propellers...It is also known, that one of his few friends was a german spy. So it could be possible that Tesla explained him something or even showed him something. But he certainly would not have understood the complete physics behind it. And he maybe just saw some early prototype. As if they would have understood the principle they would certainly also have mounted outer Utrons.
Carr, as declared by Ralph Ring, was Tesla's disciple. So he certainly would have known the principle behind this. So he surely used the outer Utrons.
Well surely this all is just some pure speculation. But sometimes I like to speculate...
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2008, 02:02:53 PM »
LOL, I don't mind if some people wanna believe Hitler's still alive or that Nazi's still are somewhere hidden...etc...etc...

Yes Hitler's dead so lets move on :) He died in February 2004, in Bethesda, MD at the age of 114 year old!  His American alias was William Coates. Look him up and you will see more.

But back to Carr :)

One thing I don't hear much talk about is how the ship was controlled. I recall Carr or Ralph Ring saying that in their test flight of the 45' craft that it was controlled by the intentions of the occupants. I suppose they thought were they wanted to go and the ship just took them there.

Every time I think about that I wonder if that is not just our pineal gland (radio receiver and transmitter?) that is doing this. Our pineal is known to be a water filled endocrine gland and water is a very interesting substance.

I also recall "project looking glass" and a description of a tube containing water surrounded by a magnetic field.

Perhaps a magnetic field is a shield for whatever is inside of it's field. Similar to how earth's magnetic field protects it's occupants.

Our pineal may just not be functioning optimally because it does not have it's natural magnetic field protection. Maybe this protection comes from the hypothalamus when it is functioning fully. Maybe it creates a magnetic shield for our pineal so that it can function as it is intended.

Maybe the ship helps in this same way by shielding the occupants AND their pineal gland.

It also fits with the stories of captured et craft where it's described that they seemed to have no system of control.

Our body is our ship but we can't control it fully like a ship because our center of control is being bombarded with radiation from all sources, especially other people.

Well I'm just trying to think out of the box :)


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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2008, 04:39:06 PM »
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Yes Hitler's dead so lets move on  He died in February 2004, in Bethesda, MD at the age of 114 year old!
;D ;D ;D
This reminds me of a Simpson-episode, where they were in south-america and Homer got abducted. There they also showed the "old" Hitler...

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Well I'm just trying to think out of the box

LOL

Well as one gets the story of Carr. It is also described that they flew with small prototypes in the valley where they had the company. And these were radio controlled.

Well as I understand the principle it works like that:
If you just wanna levitate and fly around, you can control it as you wish just by controlling the E-magnets and the rotation speed and the "current" you let through the Utrons.

But the principle is, that you force to discharge the saucer. This means it will get to another potential pressure level. Due to the discharge it will surely also radiate on many frequency spectras. This is why many people report sunburns after seeing a saucer, or radios not working anymore or the glow around the saucer, etc.
As the potential pressure is lowered you more and more disintegrate the matter, and the frequency will be heightened.

If you push this really far. Far beyond the point you would need just to fly around! You will disintegrate such a lot, that the matter could not be anymore visible to outstanding persons as they shifted to a too high frequency spectrum.
But it still exists as a high frequency model (the idea of the physical).
But what do we know from these higher spectrum. The next higher is for example called the astral-plane.
For some time I regularly left my body and spent some time there. What you will very fast recognize is, that the speed which is possible is much faster on this plane. And you can easily travel to some place just by thinking at it.
So what I think Ralph described is such a disintegration of the saucer to the astral plane. There mind controls movement. So you can move very fast and just by thinking. And as you stop the saucer again, it will immediately start charging again, due to the potential pressure around it. So the frequency will again be lowered, until you are again on the same pressure level as the earth surface.
the problem he desribed, about the brain having difficulty in catching this plane translation is also easy to explain. As the physical brain did not exist anymore on the physical plane for some time during the flight. And so as seen by the brain your mind has experiences some more time than the brain remembers. This surely is difficult for the brain to understand.

I think this is also why the germans called their first prototype JFM (Jenseitsflugmaschine) (rough translation: after life world flying machine). It would make sense. As if you die, you first discard the physical body, and remain having your other bodies, now your lowest body would be in the astral-plane (which then you discard also, etc.). Surely all just holds, if these stories are really true!
   
I knwo these explanation might seem very strange. But if you read some books of Walter Russell, e.g. "the Universal One", you will get what I mean.

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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2008, 04:47:18 PM »
Yes Walter Russell = a very helpful man!!

Thanks for your explanation. It really helped fill in the blanks in my understanding!! I'm very familiar with the astral plane. I fly around in it weekly and my wife visits teachers there.

I did some very serious fasting for 3 years and had even stronger experiences. It seems that food densifies us so that it's not as easy to enter the astral world but that is another subject more crazy than what you are referring to :)


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Re: Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2008, 11:13:42 PM »
Hi Folks,

you can speculate al lot but you should not be distracted from some inconvenient truths.
I think the history of frauds has happened in many business lines and so-called scientific developments :

http://science.howstuffworks.com/otis-carr.htm

I will not comment this - it is self-explaining.

Regards

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